NVIDIA Project Beyond GTC Keynote Address: Expect the Expected (RTX 4090)

[Valantar]

Technically the 4090 is 400 cheaper than the launch 3090ti given that it's 2-4x faster depending on what you're doing with it thay isn't bad

No. Both have the same MSRP. Street prices are another matter entirely. Nvidia never gave any other price for the 3090 Ti than 1499.


Edit2: Apparently I can neither read nor remember things, as apparently the Ti did launch at $1999 and this was $1599, not 1499. Thank you, brain.

The 1200 usd 4080 16GB being twice as fast as a 3080ti likely at lower wattage sounds ok as well

... except for the fact that it's a twelve hundred dollar 80-tier GPU, and not even a Ti. How is that for insanity?

These prices seem more about selling ampere than them wanting to sell 3080s.

I would tend to agree except for the fact that they're not actually getting meaningfully cheaper. Rather, it seems like they want to sell Ampere, but they also really don't want to sell them at anything resembling affordable prices - they'd rather launch a more expensive alternative to point to so they can say "hey, at least you're not paying $1500, right?"

 

[defaultluser]

He said its for Ray Tracing, didnt say anything about regular shaders for graphics.

these high-end cards almost double performance by being factory-overclocked; you wont see such insanity for entry-level (but a 40-50%
performance bump over 3050 is certainly likely) - around 3060 ti land

 

[dick_cheney]

Prices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

 

[Space Lynx]

Prices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

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RDNA3 will bring balance to the Force. Be patient. The leather jacket is Dark, wait for the Light.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

No. Both have the same MSRP. Street prices are another matter entirely. Nvidia never gave any other price for the 3090 Ti than 1499.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition drops to $1599, it is now $400 cheaper than MSRP - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA having trouble selling its fastest Ampere GPU? NVIDIA partner responsible for selling RTX 30 series Founder Edition SKUs has just dropped the price on RTX 3090 Ti model. The card that launched in March with an MSRP of 2000 USD, is now officially available for 1600 USD. That’s a...

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I guess you're counting the price drop and not the original MSRP.

I ignore names at this point the only thing that matters is how much more performance the new cards have nvidia can call them whatever they want it's the performance that matters to me the 4080 12GB looks like a 3070ti replacement for 900usd but if it performs much higher than any ampere gpu it doesn't matter what they call it.... I still think the price is high mind you but they are likely tying to sell 3080 10/12GB and 3080ti cards around 700 vs selling these.

 

[V3ctor]

Goodbye RTX3080... Hello 4080

 

[Valantar]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition drops to $1599, it is now $400 cheaper than MSRP - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA having trouble selling its fastest Ampere GPU? NVIDIA partner responsible for selling RTX 30 series Founder Edition SKUs has just dropped the price on RTX 3090 Ti model. The card that launched in March with an MSRP of 2000 USD, is now officially available for 1600 USD. That’s a...

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I guess you're counting the price drop and not the original MSRP.

It launched at $1599? Damn, I must have forgotten that. I guess that makes this marginally better - it's no longer 90 at 90 Ti prices, it's just 90 at 90 Ti-$100 prices. Which is slightly better, at least.

 

[Chaitanya]

Prices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

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Same shit they pulled with 1060 few years back but now with 70 series of GPU being sold as 80 series.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Prices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

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Given that a 4080 > 3090 Ti, that's going to crush last gen pricing on everything 3070 and up. The 3090 Ti is around $1100 right now.

That price of $899 is the MSRP of the 3080 Ti, it's actually very normal.

 

[Valantar]

Prices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

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Wow, that is a major difference, wow. Why on earth is this not the 4070? Or why isn't the 16GB the 4080 Ti?

Given that a 4080 > 3090 Ti, that's going to crush last gen pricing on everything 3070 and up. The 3090 Ti is around $1100 right now.

That price of $899 is the MSRP of the 3080 Ti, it's actually very normal.

"It's very normal" except for the fact that just a few generations ago, Nvidia's top SKU of their entire lineup launched at $699.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Prices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

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Better to price them high and let the market dictate pricing vs pricing them low and letting retailers cash in.

 

[cvaldes]

I ignore names at this point the only thing that matters is how much more performance the new cards have nvidia can call them whatever they want it's the performance that matters to me

This is the more reasonable way to assess new products: ignore the marketing model number and just look at the performance-per-dollar value yourself especially when the company in question has a long history of inconsistent model number usage.

 

[Space Lynx]

Did RTX 4080 get a release date? or only the 4090 which comes October 12th?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Did RTX 4080 get a release date? or only the 4090 which comes October 12th?

Just the 4090 but word on the street is early november likely to coincide with RDNA3

 

[Valantar]

This is the more reasonable way to assess new products: ignore the marketing model number and just look at the performance-per-dollar value yourself.

That's pretty reasonable, sure, as long as you have reliable performance data to go off of, and are also keeping on top of reasonable expectations for gen-over-gen price/perf increases. It's very easy to start thinking "hey, this is faster, so it's reasonable that it costs more" and to forget that we used to get those performance increases for the same price as the previous generation of the same tier.

 

[cvaldes]

Did RTX 4080 get a release date? or only the 4090 which comes October 12th?

As far as I can tell no. The 4080 16GB is "November". The 4080 12GB is undetermined.

My guess is those 4080 card launch dates are being heavily influenced by selldown of channel inventory of Ampere cards. Most likely the new 4080 cards are currently sitting on pallets in the finished goods section of some warehouse.

That's pretty reasonable, sure, as long as you have reliable performance data to go off of, and are also keeping on top of reasonable expectations for gen-over-gen price/perf increases. It's very easy to start thinking "hey, this is faster, so it's reasonable that it costs more" and to forget that we used to get those performance increases for the same price as the previous generation of the same tier.

Yes, of course. Another reasonable approach would be to wait for third-party reviewers to do a proper assessment of the newly launched models and make an informed decision later rather than blather on launch day.

 

[igralec84]

The 4080 16gb will probably be the worst price/performance, with the 4090 right behind it

 

[Space Lynx]

As far as I can tell no. The 4080 16GB is "November". The 4080 12GB is undetermined.

My guess is those card launch dates are being heavily influenced by selldown of channel inventory of Ampere cards.



Yes, of course. A reasonable approach would be to wait for third-party reviewers to do a proper assessment and make an informed decision rather than blather on launch day.

and that image of much less Cuda cores in the 12gb variant is official? so if you really want a 4080 you want the 16gb version which is $1200... man if thats true, I hope RDNA3 kicks ass.

 

[lsevald]

I wonder how wide the memory bus is on that 16GB 4080

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That's pretty reasonable, sure, as long as you have reliable performance data to go off of, and are also keeping on top of reasonable expectations for gen-over-gen price/perf increases. It's very easy to start thinking "hey, this is faster, so it's reasonable that it costs more" and to forget that we used to get those performance increases for the same price as the previous generation of the same tier.

Definitely agree the 4080 12GB might be trash we won't know till it's reviewed but calling it a 4070ti wouldn't make it any less trash.

 

[dick_cheney]

if that's what you consider fair pricing logic then next GPU gen will be 1499 for the 5080 becuase its faster.

 

[Valantar]

I wonder how wide the memory bus is on that 16GB 4080

Most likely 256-bit.

Definitely agree the 4080 12GB might be trash we won't know till it's reviewed but calling it a 4070ti wouldn't make it any less trash.

Very true - but "trash" is dependent on both pricing, what tier it's being sold as, as well as absolute performance. Seems to me like Nvidia is making a very concerted effort here at pushing the window of "reasonable" prices for each tier ever higher.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I wonder how wide the memory bus is on that 16GB 4080

I think the memory interface can be safely ignored the 6900XT beat or matched the 3090 with a much smaller bus.... They are drastically increasing cache which seems to offset the need for wider buses. We will have to wait for reviews to know for sure though.

 

[cvaldes]

I wonder how wide the memory bus is on that 16GB 4080

Videocardz.com has a table of purported specs for the three cards announced today:

NVIDIA introduces GeForce RTX 4090/4080 series, RTX 4090 launches October 12th for 1599 USD - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA debuts “Ada” GeForce RTX 40 series NVIDIA formally introduces three new graphics cards. The new RTX 40 series are here. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang has now officially introduced RTX 4090, RTX 4080 16GB and RTX 4080 12GB models, the first SKUs from the next-generation of graphics series...

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Up to you to decide whether to trust them or to wait patiently for third-party reviewers to verify these numbers.

 

[Dragokar]

NVIDIA doesn't have that answer. No one here does. The market will determine that. There's a basic economics concept known as supply and demand. NVIDIA controls supply. They don't control demand.

As for the pricing of the 30 Series generation, you'll just have to wait. I believe the announcement isn't over so it's possible they will cover this at a later point whether it be during the actual presentation or in a conventional press release.

Either way, it appears that you are asking questions that can't be answered yet by anyone here.

Oh, trust me they easily could answer that, but also there is a certain amount of $$ going up when something is not really available even if it is

The 4080 12G should not be called 4080........but yeah lets wait and see.