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MSI Unveils its First Custom NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 Series Graphics Cards

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As a leading brand in True Gaming hardware, MSI is proud to share its take on NVIDIA 's exciting new GeForce RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 series GPUs, with graphics cards that unite the latest in graphics technology, high-performance circuit board design, and advanced cooling.

Powered by the new ultra-efficient NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture, the 3rd generation of RTX, GeForce RTX 40 Series graphics cards are beyond fast, giving gamers and creators a quantum leap in performance, neural rendering, and many more leading platform capabilities. This massive advancement in GPU technology is the gateway to the most immersive gaming experiences, incredible AI features and the fastest content creation workflows. These GPUs push state-of-the-art graphics into the future.




Overview of MSI GeForce RTX 4090/4080 Series graphics cards
MSI introduces the following graphics card series based on the new NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture:


SUPRIM
SUPRIM cards are designed for performance, efficiency, and prestige. Cooled with TRI FROZR 3S, MSI's most advanced air cooling system, heat is effectively dissipated from critical board components with TORX FAN 5.0, up to 10 Core Pipes, Airflow Control fins featuring new Wave-curved 3.0 edges and air antegrade fins. At its heart, the RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 16G based models have a vapor chamber, while the RTX 4080 12G based model will boast a massive nickel-plated copper baseplate. Brushed aluminium on the exterior of the cooler and the backplate impart an armored aesthetic while reinforcing the length of the card. RGB Mystic Light flows with millions of colors and an array of customizable dynamic lighting options will dazzle onlookers. With Dual BIOS, users can quickly opt for low noise or for additional performance with the flick of a switch. All SUPRIM models are just as impressive in size as they are in performance, with the RTX 4090 based model taking up 3.75 slots, while the RTX 4080 models are a whopping 3.75 and 3.5 slots respectively.


SUPRIM LIQUID
Besides the air cooled versions of the SUPRIM series, this generation will also introduce a version with the name SUPRIM LIQUID. Only available on the GeForce RTX 4090, this series applies a closed-loop liquid cooling system that keeps temperatures even lower to allow new levels of performance. The 240 mm radiator is cooled by a pair of MSI Silent Gale P12 120 mm fans, designed to provide massive air pressure at extremely low noise. A single TORX 5.0 fan on top of a dedicated heatsink ensures more than adequate cooling for the power delivery components.


GAMING TRIO
GAMING TRIO has been refreshed with a new, yet familiar look while maintaining the same great balance between performance, cooling, and low-noise that gamers have come to trust. Leading this updated product series is the new TORX Fan 5.0 design with pairs of three fan blades bound together with an outer link, forming a rim that focuses airflow into the updated Tri Frozr 3 cooling system. At the core of the heatsink, the RTX 4090 and 4080 based models featured the proven nickel-plated copper baseplate. The new GAMING TRIO series is fitted with a Dual BIOS to allow easy switching between Silent mode or Gaming mode for more performance. A brushed-metal backplate with flow-through design reinforces the graphics card, while also providing passive cooling action through the implementation of thermal pads. Mystic Light adorns the exterior of the graphics card, illuminating color in synchrony with the rest of the PC through Mystic Light Sync and Ambient Link. These new GAMING TRIO cards feature an impressive size with the RTX 4090 based model taking up 3.75 slots and the RTX 4080 based model coming it at 3.25 and 3 slots each.


VENTUS
The popular VENTUS series is back, now fitted with three of the award winning TORX 4.0 fans. The embodiment of a no-frills Spartan design philosophy, VENTUS cards maintain the essentials to accomplish any task at hand. A robust cooling system, reinforcing brushed aluminium backplate, and well-rounded aesthetic make this graphics card suitable for any build. Being the more understated series, the two remaining RTX 4080 based VENTUS 3X models are even slimmer at 3 and 2.5 slots each.

SUPRIM, SUPRIM LIQUID, GAMING TRIO and VENTUS will form the spearhead of MSI's GeForce RTX 40 series line-up, however, more series are planned to arrive in the near future.





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So, Nvidia 4000 series do not feature DisplayPort 2.0 ports with at least 40 Gbps port. I can see that MSI cards have DP 1.4 only.
New DP 2.0 monitors are being validated and certified as we speak, and will launch soon.

It's disgraceful that those super expensive cards have not moved onto new DP standard, forcing people to wait until next gen.
 
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So, Nvidia 4000 series do not feature DisplayPort 2.0 ports with at least 40 Gbps port. I can see that MSI cards have DP 1.4 only.
New DP 2.0 monitors are being validated and certified as we speak, and will launch soon.

Well, the people who are doing the certification process don't just click a button and say that everything that was submitted for certification is now certified. It takes time.

We'll never know what was submitted for the certification process and what failed. We'll only know what passed. This is an ongoing process, it's not a one-time event that had a deadline.

None of the 4090 cards are shipping until mid-October, the 4080 cards until some unspecified November date. There's still time.
 
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Well, the people who are doing the certification process don't just click a button and say that everything that was submitted for certification is now certified. It takes time.

We'll never know what was submitted for the certification process and what failed. We'll only know what passed. This is an ongoing process, it's not a one-time event that had a deadline.

None of the 4090 cards are shipping until mid-October, the 4080 cards until some unspecified November date. There's still time.
Yes and no. The question for Nvidia to answer is whether they built in hardware capability for DP 2.0 signal? The answer is yes or no. Simple. If not, they should come clean on this as soon as possible.
 
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Okay, what are the odds that NVIDIA somehow plain forgot to include DisplayPort 2.0 hardware functionality despite making an effort to include HDMI 2.1 functionality?

It's not like they can say next year, "Whoops, we forgot this, please send back your 4090 cards so we can rework the board and solder on a new connector."

There's a whiteboard (virtual or physical) somewhere in Santa Clara titled "Features for Ada Lovelace". Maybe someone bumped the whiteboard and accidentally erased "DP 2.0" with their butt. And then no one else noticed for years and years.

While I'm not certain, I don't get the impression that new features are tossed into a hat and the first 10 they pick are implemented. I give NVIDIA engineering and marketing a little more credit than that.
 
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Yeah its rather disappointing to see, same with AV1 hardware encoder, meanwhile intel's Arc cards which dont even support HDMI 2.1 have AV1 hardware encoding
4000 cards do have AV1 encoder. Here, from Nvidia's website.
Screenshot 2022-09-20 at 18-36-21 The Ultimate GeForce GPU Comparison.png


The issue is DP 2.0. Do the boards have the hardware baked in?
 
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Okay, what are the odds that NVIDIA somehow plain forgot to include DisplayPort 2.0 hardware functionality despite making an effort to include HDMI 2.1 functionality?

It's not like they can say next year, "Whoops, we forgot this, please send back your 4090 cards so we can rework the board and solder on a new connector."

There's a whiteboard (virtual or physical) somewhere in Santa Clara titled "Features for Ada Lovelace". Maybe someone bumped the whiteboard and accidentally erased "DP 2.0" with their butt. And then no one else noticed for years and years.

While I'm not certain, I don't get the impression that new features are tossed into a hat and the first 10 they pick are implemented. I give NVIDIA engineering and marketing a little more credit than that.
Hahaha! I could not stop laughing for a while! You can also give them all glory and bowing for trying to sell hard 4070 as 4080 12GB! Marketing masterpiece. 4080Ti might also get two sibling-SKUs :peace:

"effort to include HDMI 2.1"? This comes by default. It has been an integral part of 3000 series and 6000 series from AMD since 2020. There is nothing to applaud here. HDMI 2.1 FRL is a normal part of GPU landscape. Nvidia still does not have HDMI 2.1 Gsync module V3. We have been waiting for three years now for it to appear in monitors. Still waiting...

DP 2.0 tech is not something to "accidentally erase" from the spec sheet. Hahaha! You surely know better than that. Ask Nvidia to clarify the matter for consumers.
Important features that are not supported are not mentioned. That's all I have been trying to say today, as I could not believe it.

There might be several reasons for this. Only upper midrange and high-end 4K 10-bit monitors will need UHBR10 and higher DP 2.0 connectors. It will be a niche market for a year or two once on the market. However, if GPU vendors do not provide those ports now, there is little incentive for monitor makers to step up the game and finally improve the quality of HDR monitors to match best OLED TVs. HDR monitors are in their infancy and need a serious kick.
 

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There might be several reasons for this. Only upper midrange and high-end 4K 10-bit monitors will need UHBR10 and higher DP 2.0 connectors. It will be a niche market for a year or two once on the market. However, if GPU vendors do not provide those ports now, there is little incentive for monitor makers to step up the game and finally improve the quality of HDR monitors to match best OLED TVs. HDR monitors are in their infancy and need a serious kick.
I'm still waiting for DP 2.0 so I can buy a monitor with 4K 144Hz HDR and still have 4:4:4 color. Right now its 4:2:2 at best with HDMI 2.1 and often its 4:2:0 (hidden in the spec sheet or not listed at all). Not good enough.
 
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There might be several reasons for this. Only upper midrange and high-end 4K 10-bit monitors will need UHBR10 and higher DP 2.0 connectors. It will be a niche market for a year or two once on the market. However, if GPU vendors do not provide those ports now, there is little incentive for monitor makers to step up the game and finally improve the quality of HDR monitors to match best OLED TVs. HDR monitors are in their infancy and need a serious kick.

Gee, I thought I was getting 4K 10-bit HDR video right now from my 3080 Ti from its old HDMI 2.1 port or whatever it is.

Perhaps Windows is lying to me.
 
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Gee, I thought I was getting 4K 10-bit HDR video right now from my 3080 Ti from its old HDMI 2.1 port or whatever it is.

Perhaps Windows is lying to me.

From HDMI 2.1 port, you can get up to 4K/120Hz 12-bit or 4K/144Hz 10-bit RGB image that fits into 48 Gbps, and without DSC, which is great. From current DP 1.4a, you can't without DSC.

Also, HDMI 2.1 spec does not officially support more than 120 Hz unless there's a special entry in display's EDID. VRR usually works up to 4K/120 on HDMI ports. HDMI ports, being more consumer electronics and TV-centered, have more restricted EDID an less combinations for supported resolutions/refresh rates. When you buy 4K/144Hz monitor, they usually do not tell you that this works only over DP port with DSC, because standard HDMI 2.1 FRL port would mostly deliver 4K/120 images on those monitors.

That's another important reason why we need DP 2.0 ports to get traction asap, both traditional ports and over USB-C, as DP is truly PC monitor interface and more versatile with other PC protocols. HDMI will not go together with PCIe, USB data and power delivery, unless you use excellent adapter HDMI-DP. DP 2.0 is integral part of USB4 2.0 revision. It is the main reason why new USB4 revision widens bandwidth to 80 Gbps. Thunderbolt 5 will have it too in next year or so.
 
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From HDMI 2.1 port, you can get up to 4K/120Hz 12-bit or 4K/144Hz 10-bit RGB image that fits into 48 Gbps, and without DSC, which is great. From current DP 1.4a, you can't without DSC.

Also, HDMI 2.1 spec does not officially support more than 120 Hz unless there's a special entry in display's EDID. VRR usually works up to 4K/120 on HDMI ports. HDMI ports, being more consumer electronics and TV-centered, have more restricted EDID an less combinations for supported resolutions/refresh rates.

Well, that explains why I'm satisfied with my current setup for the time being. 4K@120Hz 10-bit HDR with VRR is perfectly fine for my old eyes. I don't expect to upgrade this display in the near future.
 
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Well good thing you can use the HDMI 2.1 port into a HDMI 2.1 compatible monitor/tv. Can run 4k, HDR600, Full Dynamic range, 12bit 12-bit RGB/4:4:4 (instead of 10bit ) - gives me access to Dolby Vision in Windows 11 (dark, bright or vivid).
When using DP can only use 10bit colour. Then the Dolby Vision doesn't work.
Monitor is the MSI Optix mpg321ur-qd https://www.msi.com/Monitor/Optix-MPG321UR-QD using latest firmware. It is a very nice monitor I must say
 
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