Going balls-to-the-walls with AD102 in the 4090 is understandable. It's a flagship product, it sells by name alone.
That's true - but there's nothign saying a flagship
has to be >600mm2. The GP102 was just 471mm2, and was definitely flagship-worthy. That's why I think competition also plays into this - they're sufficiently scared of AMD surpassing them that they clearly didn't take any chances in terms of absolute performance.
The problem is, you have the AD103 in the 4080 16 GB and the AD104 in the 4070 *khm* 4080 12 GB, which are also marketed as semi-flagship models at such prices. Never has a xx4 chip been in a flagship product. Ever. They're basically saying "it's not a flagship product, but you'll think it is and you'll buy one because you're stupid."
Yeah, this is so utterly absurd to me. I mean, just the fact that they're spinning up mass production of three large dice for their three first cards is beyond stupid, and then you have a 4-tier chip in a "flagship" 8-tier GPU, and then you have that GPU cost $200 more than its "predecessor" based on a 2-tier chip. It's just downright bonkers.
That's why I still play at 1080p native. Brute force is the way.
Honestly, 1080p is fine for many games, especially at 27" or less. 32" 1080p is too low for me. But 27" 1080p for desktop use is unacceptable for me - games don't need the same sharpness as text.
Lets leave this subject since that is not the topic here. What I will say is that, renewable energy is to lower costs of exploitation and reduce pollution at the same time but the costs of transferring have to be paid. Here we are talking about the electricity since energy as an industry is broader than that.
Lol, "let's leave this subject" - then three paragraphs on nothing else. Cool.
I really don't care what they are using for heating but I would rather focus on an electricity consumption over one household. Which is comparable but the price is not. You also have to keep in mind that these countries are almost 9 times bigger than Norway (Poland) and 20 times bigger(Germany). The amount of electricity these are using puts entire Norway to a district in a city or one city.
I'm not talking about energy prices here but electricity only. The price for electricity has grown in these two countries but not by such a margin like 10 times. In Norway it did and that is a fact. The protests are mainly due to oil price and sanctions for Russia and gas from them. Petrol and Diesel price is high (same as in Norway BTW) Even though Norway exports all of Gas and a lot of Oil. With the protests, you also have to keep in mind that most of them are political if you know what I mean and the main problem is increasing prices for food which correlates with transportation and oil price and sanctions due to Russian invasion on Ukraine.
You dont get it I think. You say I contradict myself but that is not correct. They pay more for gas not electricity (liquid gas and also petrol diesel) I'm talking specifically about electricity which is only part of energy industry. Nothing more. You mentioned energy not me and that it is risen by a noticeable margin in German and Poland for instance. Yes but that ENERGY consists of everything not just electricity. That is what I'm pointing out. The other thing I'm pointing out is electricity did not increase that much in these two countries but for some reason it did in Norway.
Okay, so here's the thing: when people in Europe are talking about
gas prices, this is the price for
natural gas used for heating, cooking, etc., not the American English "gas" = fuel for cars. Yes, there have also been protests against vehicle fuel prices, but these are quite a while back, and entirely insignificant against current reactions
to energy pricing.
Here's some statistics for you: for the
EU, the natural gas/electricity split in energy usage is ~57/43% (though that's not the whole sum, as there's also renewables such as "energy recycling" (burning waste to generate heat) and other fuel sources - their overall total splits are 31.7%/24.8%). In Norway, there is no centralized infrastructure for domestic gas use, so the proportion of home heating, cooking etc. represented by natural gas is essentially zero.
All our domestic energy is either electric or those "other" sources.
What does this mean? That when prices go up for us, due to high Russian gas prices (which affect electricity prices due to the overall market dynamics, gas being traded alongside electricity, and the prevalence of gas power plants), our electricity prices rise. There is no "gas price" here, so it literally
can't rise. While in Europe, the prices that rise the most are the natural gas prices, as that's the direct cause of the rise - and they use a lot more of it compared to electricity. Prices for electricity
also rise, but less, as there's less pressure on that market. It's all traded through the same system - Nord Pool - which means that these prices cannot be separated from each other - which is why Norwegian electricity prices rise alongside German, French, UK, Polish and Baltic gas prices (and electric prices, but to a lesser degree).
As for why your friends use that much electricity - poorly insulated houses? Excessive habits? I have no idea, and I don't care to speculate into it. They might be one of the few households that use only electricity for cooling? Either way, it doesn't matter: your one-sided focus on
electricity prices is entirely missing the point, as they are fundamentally inseparable from gas prices. Arguing that "well, their electricity prices haven't risen as much as ours have" while ignoring that their gas prices - which were already higher per energy unit than our electricity prices to begin with - have increased by 5x .... well, that's just plain stupid.
An example: let's say we have two countries. In country A, 100% of cars are petrol powered; in B it's a 70/30 diesel/petrol split. There's a crisis, and in A, petrol prices rise by double, while in B they only rise by 40%. Is that the full picture? Obviously not - B uses more diesel, so looking at diesel prices is
crucial to any kind of workable understanding of conditions in country B. Claiming otherwise is just willful blindness. And that's exactly what you're doing here - you're being overly selective with the data you're basing your claims on, cherry-picking data that supports your conclusions rather than accepting that in terms of domestic energy pricing comparisons across Europe, you
have to include both gas and electricity.
If AMD doesn’t match the RT performance by 80-90%, rdna3 is DOA.
nVidia put the prices high so they can lower them in case of the others are competitive.
In a night they can lower the 16gb to 999 and the 12gb to 699.
We need a ryzen instead of Radeon gpu….
Why would they be DOA? Do they
need to match Lovelace in RT performance? No. They need to be price competitive, and ideally ahead. But if the 7900 XT is, let's say 70% of the RT performance of the 4090, and costs $999? That would be an excellent deal, especially if rasterization performance is on the same level as the RTX.
Also: Nvidia
does not want to lower prices. They have said so directly in an earnings call to investors: they are actively forcing distributors and AIB partners to hold back stock in order to avoid RTX 3000-series prices dropping. They have far, far, far too much Ampere stock still laying around unsold, and need to rid themselves of this before they can start doing anything much with Lovelace. They overproduced for the crypto boom, and now they're in (modest) trouble due to that. If AMD comes out swinging with RDNA3 pricing, Nvidia has painted themselves into a corner, as any aggressive price cuts will now explicitly put them at risk of large-scale shareholder lawsuits.
No way would I take Huang at his word.
If they don't drop price's they're going to be in trouble by this time next year IMHO.
The problem is, words given to investors in an official call are borderline legally binding. They'll be facing some pretty annoyed investors if they suddenly about-face on pricing.
It is not how much they use but how much they have to pay for it. Maybe they use it for air condition? What I hear Germany was very hot this year unlike Norway. Does it matter really? 1kw in Germany is way cheaper than it is in Norway. around 10 times cheaper. It does not matter what you use the electricity for but how much you have pay for it. 
