Newegg Listings of Custom RTX 4090 Graphics Cards Indicate Pricing-Sanity Slowly Returning

[john_]

WTH is this title? $1599 lowest price for the second model (we haven't seen the top one), is sanity?

Well, if we're going to be realistic here, adjusted for inflation (at least here in the US of A,) that $650 card would be something like $900 today and $360 would be about $500. Definitely cheaper than what we're seeing now, but we do have to keep purchasing power in mind when making these comparisons.

AMD had announced HD 4870 back then at $299, forcing Nvidia to drop prices just one week after the release of GTX 260 and GTX 280. What an amazing surprise the HD 4870 it was. We where expecting the top model with 480 cores and we got 800. Not to mention the incredible value of HD 4850 at $199.

 

[ModEl4]

I can't find the 3090ti for less than 1099

The street prices i quoted isn't what we have now, but potentially what minimum street price we may see this year imo.
At the time of my post NewEgg had the following in stock:

 

[Ravenmaster]

Nvidia is gonna receive the biggest a** f***ing of the century from their shareholders when they realise nobody is buying the 40 series cards. Because Nvidia no longer has the crypto mining crutch to prop up their sales. Miners won't be purchasing these cards by the pallet load since its no longer profitable to do so. The only people that would consider buying these 40 series cards are gamers and graphics artists but at those prices, they aren't even remotely enticing. The 40 series will rot on shelves until Jensen lowers his margins.

 

[ARF]

AMD had announced HD 4870 back then at $299, forcing Nvidia to drop prices just one week after the release of GTX 260 and GTX 280. What an amazing surprise the HD 4870 it was. We where expecting the top model with 480 cores and we got 800. Not to mention the incredible value of HD 4850 at $199.

Yeah, that was because ATi was in a very bad position then with the epic failure the HD 2900 XT that was!

But today, AMD has the advantage of a superior process node but badly engineered Navi 21 cannot be substantially superior to the Samsung N8 offerings.
Look at the transistor density of Navi 21 vs GA102. 51.53 MTr/mm^2 (on TSMC N7 theoretical max 96.5 MTr/mm^2) vs 45.06 MTr/mm^2 (on Samsung 8N theoretical max 61.18 MTr/mm^2).

So, in theory TSMC is 57.7% better, while in practice AMD delivered only 14.3% betterment.

 

[neatfeatguy]

I don't see any offer, only normal pricing.
For example 5800X3D starting at $399 (street price) and 6750XT is starting from $419, so $819 in total and AMD's site is selling them after rebate at $849!

I see the bundle pricing availability at the AMD store. Here's a pic of some of them:


Odd if you don't see them...or maybe it's region restricted?

 

[MDWiley]

So it’s not listed at scalper prices. Okay? I try not to be cynical about these things but $1600 is still bonkers for a graphics card. MSRP prices simply aren’t newsworthy, especially now.

 

[ARF]

So it’s not listed at scalper prices. Okay? I try not to be cynical about these things but $1600 is still bonkers for a graphics card. MSRP prices simply aren’t newsworthy, especially now.

MSRP is the new scalper price.

 

[ModEl4]

I see the bundle pricing availability at the AMD store. Here's a pic of some of them:
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Odd if you don't see them...or maybe it's region restricted?

I see them, i meant they are not really anything special.
7700X+6750XT=$849 ($399 newegg+$450)
5900X+6950XT=$1299 ($368 amazon +$930)

 

[Fourstaff]

How long before the prices fall below MSRP based on current market outlook?

 

[evernessince]

If the average rasterization performance really is double the 3090ti, I might be interested ... and if there's a good high resolution mini/micro OLED VR headset available at end of year with a FOV that at least matches the Index ... and with pancake / aspheric lenses. The godrays in the fresnel lenses are still annoying.

Highly doubtful the 4090 will even be capable enough to drive the Pimax 12K.

It is absolutely not double the raster performance on average. The charts showing 2X the performance were those with DLSS3.0 enabled and a good chunk of the frames being artificial. There still a lot of discussing going on regarding the latency introduced by DLSS3.0 frame insertion as a few tech outlets have shown a greater than 30ms of additional input lag with frame insertion enabled. Of course it's going to vary a lot based on title but those AI generated frames will not make the game feel more responsive.

 

[AusWolf]

Sanity would be slowly returning if not for Nvidia's exorbitant MSRPs and messing around with the 4080 name. If we don't get scalped by Ebay scammers anymore, Nvidia will take the helm.

 

[Ando]

AMD's store is bundling the 6950XT (and I think the 6750XT as well) with some of the new 7xxx CPUs and some of the 5xxx CPUs and knocking off $200-450 (depending on CPU and GPU bundle you get) on combos.

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/us

Could be a helluva deal for someone looking to get a new rig going with a decent GPU and CPU.

As for the Nvidia cards, yeah, I don't care about this gen. They're just priced way too high for my taste. I'm content with what I got. I can wait another 4-5 years before I might even think about getting something new.

When people were talking about the apparent price cut to Radeon cards a week ago, AMD was still selling them for the original MSRP via direct buy (for the 3 models they sell now). So it's interesting to see they dropped in price there too, although not as low as the cheapest on newegg.
You would think the reference cards are cheaper to make. Though maybe not, AMD did seem to go all out with the 6000 series reference design.

 

[Zubasa]

How long before the prices fall below MSRP based on current market outlook?

Given how the media portraits these prices as "sane", good luck.

 

[trparky]

Given how the media portraits these prices as "sane", good luck.

Shills for nVidia.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

What sanity, the card is overpriced and under delivers 1600$ and being able to run a not very impressive 2 years old game.
Sanity is when the 4090 is priced at 700$ (with less vram) and a proper Titan taking its place.

 

[Fourstaff]

Given how the media portraits these prices as "sane", good luck.

Depending on how much capacity they booked from TSMC, they will eventually need to move stock.

 

[trparky]

What sanity, the card is overpriced and under delivers 1600$ and being able to run a not very impressive 2 years old game.
Sanity is when the 4090 is priced at 700$ (with less vram) and a proper Titan taking its place.

And let's not forget that it sucks down electricity.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Im about 98% sure everyone commenting is missing the point of the article.

Ampere retail prices for custom AIBs cards were inflated across all models basically until recently. In the past custom cards were only ever $100-150 over Nvidia* or AMDs reference cards (*nvidia came out with FE cards a few yesrs wgo where originally they were priced at $100 over the MSRP of the card, and only sold by Nvidia).

What is shown by this article is exactly how it was in the past for custom cards. Base MSRP sure is high, but none of those 4090s are near 2x MSRP like Ampere was.

WTH is this title? $1599 lowest price for the second model (we haven't seen the top one), is sanity?


AMD had announced HD 4870 back then at $299, forcing Nvidia to drop prices just one week after the release of GTX 260 and GTX 280. What an amazing surprise the HD 4870 it was. We where expecting the top model with 480 cores and we got 800. Not to mention the incredible value of HD 4850 at $199.

$1599 is the 4090 MSRP.....

 

[Nater]

What sanity, the card is overpriced and under delivers 1600$ and being able to run a not very impressive 2 years old game.
Sanity is when the 4090 is priced at 700$ (with less vram) and a proper Titan taking its place.

I was totally prepared to dump $2500 on a top-end Titan back when the 2080 series launched. Yet they never launched one. Then they got my hopes up calling the 3090 the "creator" card at $1499 or whatever it was. I was game, boss thought I was crazy. Then I found out it wasn't actually a "Titan" class card because it had zero support from CAD vendors. It didn't function like a Quadro other than for rendering apps.

I really wanted RTX 3080 gaming + RTX A4500 workstation in one card, but alas, I'd have to buy two cards.
(as it is, I've settled on an A2000 and gave my RTX 3080 to my kid to game on)

Still hoping they drop a Titan card this gen.

 

[nguyen]

Looks like 13900K + DDR4 + Asus TUF 4090 will be in my new build

 

[john_]

Im about 98% sure everyone commenting is missing the point of the article.

Ampere retail prices for custom AIBs cards were inflated across all models basically until recently. In the past custom cards were only ever $100-150 over Nvidia* or AMDs reference cards (*nvidia came out with FE cards a few yesrs wgo where originally they were priced at $100 over the MSRP of the card, and only sold by Nvidia).

What is shown by this article is exactly how it was in the past for custom cards. Base MSRP sure is high, but none of those 4090s are near 2x MSRP like Ampere was.


$1599 is the 4090 MSRP.....

We are not missing the point. You are probably missing the reason why Ampere's prices where jumped way above MSRP and that was mining. Having an MSRP at $1600 is not better than having an MSRP of, $800 and cards costing $1600 because of mining. In fact it is worst. What before it was huge demand and graphics cards being used as an investment equipment to make money, meaning that price jump was justified, now you have again simple graphics cards for playing games with an official MSRP price that is more suitable for an investment equipment. This time the graphics card does not bring money to the owner, so it's way worst.

 

[mb194dc]

The manufacturing costs are too high now to sell top end cards at a price people can afford. TSMC 4nm etc.

I reckon both teams high end cards will totally commercially flop this generation due to that. Probably 50%+ less sales than prior gen.

Covid and mining are over, they don't get it. For example personally I spent £800 on a 6800xt in 2021. The only reason I did that, was because I wasn't legally able to spend money going out and doing other stuff.

 

[Vayra86]

I will just go buying a rtx 4090 for 1599... What the 1599 . Backs away slowly while putting my wallet back in my pocket.

The real name should be RTX 4090 "WALLET RIPPER EDITION".

WalletRipper, I like it. Maybe send AMD an email for their next HEDT product

 

[Dimitriman]

Aren't those prices "placeholder" prices because items are Out of Stock and will immediately be readjusted upwards as soon as items are back in stock?

 

[P4-630]