First B650 Motherboard Pricing Detailed by B&H

[cvaldes]

Actually it doesn't even work for workstation cards anymore. Nvidia has removed all forms of NVlink even on their workstation cards of Ada Lovelace.
I was just reading a whole bunch of complaints about how they can't get enough memory out of single cards & having to buy this card isn't appiling to content creators.

Well, I'm guessing some content creators find single cards useful. It's not like the xx90 models are gaming cards; there aren't many games that can take advantage of 24GB VRAM.

AMD got rid of the physical Crossfire interlink years ago so clearly they didn't have a compelling reason to keep that option available.

I'm not familiar with either company's professional solutions for multi-card connectivity but for sure the era of this option has ended on GeForce and Radeon branded products.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Well, I'm guessing some content creators find single cards useful. It's not like the xx90 models are gaming cards; there aren't many games that can take advantage of 24GB VRAM.

AMD got rid of the physical Crossfire interlink years ago so clearly they didn't have a compelling reason to keep that option available.

I'm not familiar with either company's professional solutions for multi-card connectivity but for sure the era of this option has ended on GeForce and Radeon branded products.

yeah true about games, but were talking about rending Scenes here where 24Gbs is chump change and many of them can use 48gbs to 96gbs.
Ironicly I came upon all this while researching games that use mGPU or SLI & crossfire on DX12 or raytracing games.
Mutli-card rendering was suppose to be put to the developers, but if shady tatics like what I'm seeing going on that people are talking about on unreal4 & unreal5 engine. Well then it's not developers not getting, having time, or effor,t to code it's Hardware makeers (mostly nvidia Blocking them) & locking them into a world of single card use just like gamers have been put in.
"UE 5 - Multi GPU Support - NOT SLI - NOT NVLINK - General / Feedback for Unreal Engine team - Unreal Engine Forums"

Seriouly wondering How accurate Wiki's Raytracing game list is "List of games that support ray tracing - PCGamingWiki PCGW - bugs, fixes, crashes, mods, guides and improvements for every PC game "
out 135 game listed 15 of them support SLI &/ crossfire &/or mGPU that's acutally more than normal that's just above 10% of games instead of this so card "niche" product everyone claims of 1% -_- but that's currently in time it will probably drop now that Ada Lovelace is out & not a single one will use mGPU or SLI.

At this point a PC gaming is coming to limited like a console & lacking choices for me anymore.

 

[Easo]

Can this madness end? Please? Pretty please?

 

[GeorgeMan]

Well, every single company in the PC DIY market seems to have gone crazy. I'm out of this crap, I can work with my laptop and play games on consoles.

 

[trsttte]

It seems lately the sweet point for hardware is to buy last gen when new gen launches. Remember 5600X for 300? X570 only motherboards at outrageous prices? These parts are still excellent, have most of what you need in terms of I/O, and are almost half the price they where at launch.
For Ryzen 7000, I think for my use case (gaming) these parts don't offer enough performance for the asking price, so I won't buy it. You can do the same, no need to get angry. Companies follow the money, if parts don't move, they'll be forced to lower prices.

Well from the zen4 reviews at least, the 5800x3D still seems to be about the best cpu around, RaptorLake should have the same problem from the early data from Intel so yeah, previous gen for the win

 

[RedBear]

I wonder if AMD is rising prices on purpose because they're no longer the cheap alternative, at any rate Intel should have an opening next year, maybe the last one, in the previous generation motherboards that offered overall better value were the saving grace of the Ryzen 5000 at launch, Intel's new motherboards were expensive in comparison and they made AMD's new CPUs higher prices more tolerable, now AMD has given up even on that advantage.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I wonder if AMD is rising prices on purpose because they're no longer the cheap alternative, at any rate Intel should have an opening next year, maybe the last one, in the previous generation motherboards that offered overall better value were the saving grace of the Ryzen 5000 at launch, Intel's new motherboards were expensive in comparison and they made AMD's new CPUs higher prices more tolerable, now AMD has given up even on that advantage.

They long ago stated they didnt want to be the "budget CPU company" anymore. Is anyone surprised?

Anyone who built computers in the early 2000s should know the absolute second AMD got any sort of advantage they strapped their MSRPs to the nearest space bound rocket, and the longer they stood on top the worse it got. FX-62 for $1000 anyone?

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

They had better have extraordinary quality and last a million years with these prices. MSI is not a brand I associate with exceptional quality but maybe they will surprise this generation, I guess...

 

[mechtech]

So I guess any of the AM4 socket rumors on one of the 6xx series boards are officially squashed?

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

They had better have extraordinary quality and last a million years with these prices. MSI is not a brand I associate with exceptional quality but maybe they will surprise this generation, I guess...

Their 500 series boards were quite good. Had good luck with my x570 unify and the B550 mortar finally brought us a good micro ATX board with no real compromises.

 

[mechtech]

I would easily pay $400 for a mobo............if it is of good quality, came with a 5yr. warranty and has 10 years of bios support.

 

[Eskimonster]

200$ is what i pay for a pair of shoes, i realy cant see a problem paying that, for adopting a new generation of cpu´s,

 

[Why_Me]

So I guess any of the AM4 socket rumors on one of the 6xx series boards are officially squashed?

I never heard that rumor. AM5 was always known to be DDR5 only tmk.

 

[ixi]

Second best chip is going for previous best chip price, nice. Naa, not really. Need to see intel prices... I wonder how many in 2022. will move to zen4...

200$ is what i pay for a pair of shoes, i realy cant see a problem paying that, for adopting a new generation of cpu´s,

Can you show us your boots?

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

200$ is what i pay for a pair of shoes, i realy cant see a problem paying that, for adopting a new generation of cpu´s,

If you get your money's worth, then sure. If it is all margin and no quality/durability and features, then no thanks.

 

[wheresmycar]

I'm not surprised by the mid-tier $200-$250 asking price (my previously speculated estimation in another thread) although I was hoping we'd get some entry level $150'ish options dropped in the same release window. Maybe later?

If you permit, the way i see it - preliminary AM5 boards were always going to be a little more pricier with a some-what $50/+ mark-up. I kinda sensed this from AM4's gen-2-gen fwd support success - all the way up to 5000-series/X3D. Essentially, a very likely influencer to get people excited with a fresh AM5 board with 3-year"+" support plan. Whether its adds value or not, i can only speak for myself... obviously i'd rather pay less but i don't mind investing $50 more for future upgrades on the same platform. So i'm seeing these sneaky leaks with a 50 subtraction policy in exchange for fwd-investment providing the boards are not short of quality and feature-sets which best represent hi-performance gaming (no, not the flagship GPU rubbish and 6/8 cores will do me just fine).

I have to admit, i expected the Mini-ITX variants to cost more... hope the chipset fan ain't louder than my PSU (that would be a no-go)

B550
8 PCIe 3.0 lanes (often used by WiFi, Ethernet, a second M.2 key M slot, etc)
2 PCIe 3.0 lanes that can also become 2 SATA ports
4 SATA ports
Bunch of USB.

B650:
8 PCIe 4.0 lanes
4 PCIe 3.0 lanes that can also become 4 SATA ports (IMO, board vendors will go with 4 SATA). Can also do 2 SATA with 2 PCIe 3.0 lanes.
Bunch of USB

My guess is a slight regression for most boards, if 4 SATA ports are still presented. Furthermore, in AM5, the CPU socket no longer presents any SATA interface either, whereas AM4 could have 2 SATA ports (at the cost of 2 PCI lanes).

AFAIK, Intel's B660 isn't much better off, since it shares its PHY assignments with USB 3 ports as well. Z790 doesn't seem to fundamentally change that, so I'm not expecting much of the future B760 either.

EDIT: B550 and X570 slides have some notes at the bottom, which are to be read as representing the entire platform's IO, not just the chipset. B650 slide doesn't have those notes.

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EDIT: just for fun, X570.

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X570:
8 PCIe 4.0
4 PCIe 4.0 or 4 SATA
4 PCIe 4.0 or 4 SATA (again)
4 SATA

So would I be right to assume B-SERIES is adequately well-placed for a gaming build? Something like a 7600X/7700X and hopefully paired with a 40-series/RDNA3 card which levels up to previous Gen 6900XT/3090TI performance (if not better). Storage: 2TB NVME stick to begin with and maybe a second one a year later, if needed.

 

[Why_Me]

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I'm not surprised by the mid-tier $200-$250 asking price (my previously speculated estimation in another thread) although I was hoping we'd get some entry level $150'ish options dropped in the same release window. Maybe later?

If you permit, the way i see it - preliminary AM5 boards were always going to be a little more pricier with a some-what $50/+ mark-up. I kinda sensed this from AM4's gen-2-gen fwd support success - all the way up to 5000-series/X3D. Essentially, a very likely influencer to get people excited with a fresh AM5 board with 3-year"+" support plan. Whether its adds value or not, i can only speak for myself... obviously i'd rather pay less but i don't mind investing $50 more for future upgrades on the same platform. So i'm seeing these sneaky leaks with a 50 subtraction policy in exchange for fwd-investment providing the boards are not short of quality and feature-sets which best represent hi-performance gaming (no, not the flagship GPU rubbish and 6/8 cores will do me just fine).

I have to admit, i expected the Mini-ITX variants to cost more... hope the chipset fan ain't louder than my PSU (that would be a no-go)



So would I be right to assume B-SERIES is adequately well-placed for a gaming build? Something like a 7600X/7700X and hopefully paired with a 40-series/RDNA3 card which levels up to previous Gen 6900XT/3090TI performance (if not better). Storage: 2TB NVME stick to begin with and maybe a second one a year later, if needed.

TBH I expect Intel's B670 DDR5 boards to be priced about the same. Hopefully the locked Intel 13 gen cpu's are comparable in price to their 12 gen counterparts.

 

[wheresmycar]

200$ is what i pay for a pair of shoes, i realy cant see a problem paying that, for adopting a new generation of cpu´s,

lucky you. I'm saving for my next Gen graphics card hence no more shoes for me... flip flops next stop!

TBH I expect Intel's B670 DDR5 boards to be priced about the same. Hopefully the locked Intel 13 gen cpu's are comparable in price to their 12 gen counterparts.

I hope not... i'm liking intels marginally better value propositions in recent times. If they continue under-cutting AMD, AMD will surrender to lowering prices. 13th Gen looks promising hence hope the boards are equally reasonably priced.

 

[AusWolf]

Guys, look at the article about the leaked ASRock motherboards. One has a 6-layer PCB, the rest are 8-layer and the m-ITX is 10-layers. This is supposedly a requirement for PCI-e gen 5. This probably why they're so expensive.

 

[ModEl4]

In the same store MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR5 is $179, so $60 cheaper than MSI MAG B650M MORTAR WIFI ($239).

 

[Why_Me]

In the same store MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR5 is $179, so $60 cheaper than MSI MAG B650M MORTAR WIFI ($239).
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Better audio codec also.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR
Realtek ALC1200

 

[trsttte]

If you permit, the way i see it - preliminary AM5 boards were always going to be a little more pricier with a some-what $50/+ mark-up. I kinda sensed this from AM4's gen-2-gen fwd support success - all the way up to 5000-series/X3D. Essentially, a very likely influencer to get people excited with a fresh AM5 board with 3-year"+" support plan. Whether its adds value or not, i can only speak for myself... obviously i'd rather pay less but i don't mind investing $50 more for future upgrades on the same platform. So i'm seeing these sneaky leaks with a 50 subtraction policy in exchange for fwd-investment providing the boards are not short of quality and feature-sets which best represent hi-performance gaming (no, not the flagship GPU rubbish and 6/8 cores will do me just fine).

AM4 was pretty good in terms of support but was very uncertain for a good part of the way there, I wouldn't buy AM5 on promises, let alone the vague statements they gave so far

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Guys, look at the article about the leaked ASRock motherboards. One has a 6-layer PCB, the rest are 8-layer and the m-ITX is 10-layers. This is supposedly a requirement for PCI-e gen 5. This probably why they're so expensive.

Sure, that's part of it, but there is also no denying that companies like MSI, asus, gigabyte, ece are no more immune to taking advantage of the *current times* then any other company. Strangely, with supply costs and manufacturing costs demanding these higher prices, the *margins* of many companies are putting the 90s boom to shame. Funny, that......

I'll bet that these boards come with fatter margins for MSI, easily.

Better audio codec also.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR
Realtek ALC1200

Any board over $200 should have the ALC1200 on principle, if not better.

AM4 was pretty good in terms of support but was very uncertain for a good part of the way there, I wouldn't buy AM5 on promises, let alone the vague statements they gave so far

I would take the safe bet that the 8000 or 9000 series wont be initially supported on 600 series chipsets and the community will need to take AMD to task over the issue yet again.

 

[trsttte]

I would take the safe bet that the 8000 or 9000 series wont be initially supported on 600 series chipsets and the community will need to take AMD to task over the issue yet again.

Only if they don't "need to" make an sAM5 with a couple of connection points changed to "facilitate board layout", wouldn't really fly on a mainstream segment but crazier things happened.

 

[wheresmycar]

AM4 was pretty good in terms of support but was very uncertain for a good part of the way there, I wouldn't buy AM5 on promises, let alone the vague statements they gave so far

I was hearing the same weather forecast for AM4 in 2017 and grabbed an Intel 7700K. No regrets though, overclocked like a charm unlike todays CPUs + serviceable preference for integrated graphics.

I'm confident AM5 will see 2 more Gen-ups which is enough to satisfy the upgrade itch in a few years time (or earlier). A third Gen-up would be a blessing in disguise!! Granted 1440p most likely won't benefit as much with the type of incremental advances we are seeing with each Gen hence i like the idea of starting off with a baseline 7600X (or/if 7600) and then a few years later grabbing something like a 9700X3D / 9900X / etc. I'm just not feeling Intels lack of long term support on their platforms which over the years have been constrictive with quick upgrades.

......let alone the vague statements they gave so far

Can you expand on that? I'm not the most informed hence i'm all ears for past/present/forthcoming developments.