48-Core Russian Baikal-S Processor Die Shots Appear

[Deleted member 185088]

Also, nice avatar.

Yeah, only thing missing is l'Internationale.

 

[Vayra86]

You said current events. I was writing about how htey were operating since 1950s. THat's not so current anymore.

The tech they had was not political before globalization and even during globalization; and neither was the US's, simply a game of designs and iterations, the politics entered the game when only the best designs remained to rule the world economy and that economy got political.

Things tend to escalate to a point where conflict occurs, but before that, everyone is just fine doing their own thing, borrowing ideas here and there, improving on their pace. For that reason history is chock full of examples where in different places in the world, in the same time frames, different people develop similar things, or discover similar things. Certain developments just gain their own logic at some point.

 

[The red spirit]

The tech they had was not political before globalization and even during globalization; and neither was the US's, simply a game of designs and iterations, the politics entered the game when only the best designs remained to rule the world economy and that economy got political.

Things tend to escalate to a point where conflict occurs, but before that, everyone is just fine doing their own thing, borrowing ideas here and there, improving on their pace. For that reason history is chock full of examples where in different places in the world, in the same time frames, different people develop similar things, or discover similar things. Certain developments just gain their own logic at some point.

But you are wrong again, Russia has been going to random wars time and time again, their intelligence was assassination people left and right and Ukraine situation started a long time ago. At first they tried to install a puppet like in Belarus, then used oligarchs to influence political decisions, then assassinations, then other politics against Ukraine and at first things started with little green men and only in 2022 a full scale invasion started. Russia has also been working on their own version of iron curtain of internet sort of like China, but only in 2022 it came to full effect. It was clearly premature and crude, definitely worse than China's, but became effective to some degree in spreading disinformation domestically. It's also a bit of open secret, but Yeltsin was only a face to distract attention of media, meanwhile actual rulers of USSR/Russia were intelligence agency or rather a whole spider web as it's not just agency, but 3 of them + RIRA + various other bribed institutions. It's also not a secret that Russia has been engaging in cyberwarfare for decades with their biggest achievement being 2016 US election influence. So after USSR fell, geopolitical attitude hasn't, it's still rather imperialistic. Russia's semiconductors most likely got a lot of influence from Chinese "made in China" policy and that was from the start heavily entrenched with politics. It's insane to think that "conflict" only started in 2022. I mean you don't just end up finding yourself (in 1999) casually breaking into NASA, Pentagon, US military sites, just because you are so neutral. You don't just casually take out Ukraine's power grid twice. Anyway, RANT OVER, Russian chip industry was politically motivated.

 

[A Computer Guy]

... It's also not a secret that Russia has been engaging in cyberwarfare for decades with their biggest achievement being 2016 US election influence...

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

:WORDS::WORDS::WORDS:

Bruh I havent laughed this hard in awhile. Is the soviet in the room with you right now? Did your friend McCarthy call you back yet

Soviet processors were no more political then American processors; no more political then the german challenger tank being a totally political move to own the British. if you really, REALLY want to insinuate that russia is some big bad superpower with all this capability when they are getting their arses handed to them by a backwards mud ball, dont be surprised when everyone suspects you of hitting the vodka a bit too hard last night. Russia is pursuing home grown ARM CPUs for the same reason everyone else is: Control via the x86 duopoly isnt working out so hot anymore.

And for the record: no, attacking the general populace indirectly via sanctions has never, once, stopped a war. All it does is drive anti western sentiment.

Not sure how actual it is right now due to Russia loosing access to Taiwan. Otherwise - seems reasonably impressive.

Depends, if the chinese can get their own TSMC equivalent operational it may become a reality yet.

 

[The red spirit]

Soviet processors were no more political then American processors; no more political then the german challenger tank being a totally political move to own the British. if you really, REALLY want to insinuate that russia is some big bad superpower with all this capability when they are getting their arses handed to them by a backwards mud ball, dont be surprised when everyone suspects you of hitting the vodka a bit too hard last night.

I never claimed that they did things well, in fact said that their tech was mostly bad rip offs that lagged behind by decades, but I guess you missed that part.

Russia is pursuing home grown ARM CPUs for the same reason everyone else is: Control via the x86 duopoly isnt working out so hot anymore.

For who exactly? For most people x86 is just simply cheapest, most compatible, reasonably powerful and reasonably efficient stuff. Also most people have locked desktop chips or laptop CPUs. Also most people don't need much processing power, but margins for companies are the highest in servers, datacenters, who actually need more and power or efficiency or both at the same time and they don't ever have enough. But ARM or whatever else isn't the right solution for most of them. And also x86 evolved a lot over years and incorporated some ARM elements in them too, while remaining x86 compatible.

And for the record: no, attacking the general populace indirectly via sanctions has never, once, stopped a war. All it does is drive anti western sentiment.

Most sanctions were quite precise.

Depends, if the chinese can get their own TSMC equivalent operational it may become a reality yet.

They already have fabs and can design some things themselves.

 

[Tomgang]

Now the question is. Will this cpu performe just as bad as Putins military or better?

No matter what, it´s Russian. So no thanks. Not supporting this terrorist state.

 

[AnotherReader]

I never claimed that they did things well, in fact said that their tech was mostly bad rip offs that lagged behind by decades, but I guess you missed that part.


For who exactly? For most people x86 is just simply cheapest, most compatible, reasonably powerful and reasonably efficient stuff. Also most people have locked desktop chips or laptop CPUs. Also most people don't need much processing power, but margins for companies are the highest in servers, datacenters, who actually need more and power or efficiency or both at the same time and they don't ever have enough. But ARM or whatever else isn't the right solution for most of them. And also x86 evolved a lot over years and incorporated some ARM elements in them too, while remaining x86 compatible.


Most sanctions were quite precise.


They already have fabs and can design some things themselves.

Sanctions are rarely precise; the elite manage to circumvent them with the help of the extremely corrupt western banks, and the common people suffer. This leads to resentment of the west and further entrenchment of the target.

 

[Aquinus]

Sanctions are made by our idiot leaders to punish what they think in their tiny mind the bad guys, and the rest of us normal people suffer.

Good to see Chinese getting close to have better nodes, at least we'll have two sources so when one side gets the stupid pill we could relay on the other one.

That's exactly the point, to put pressure on the country for the actions that the west considers unacceptable. The US has plenty of reasons to throw sanctions on China. Theft of IP is on the top of my list. If China is not going to play by the rules that the rest of the world abides by, then there have to be consequences for that, otherwise Xi and the Communist Party will continue to see how far he can push the boundaries. The reality is that the people will always pay the price for the incompetence of their leaders, China is no exception.

 

[AnotherReader]

That's exactly the point, to put pressure on the country for the actions that the west considers unacceptable. The US has plenty of reasons to throw sanctions on China. Theft of IP is on the top of my list. If China is not going to play by the rules that the rest of the world abides by, then there have to be consequences for that, otherwise Xi and the Communist Party will continue to see how far he can push the boundaries. The reality is that the people will always pay the price for the incompetence of their leaders, China is no exception.

That genie is out of the bottle. China is not Russia; the west and it are too interdependent for much freedom of action on either side.

 

[The red spirit]

Sanctions are rarely precise; the elite manage to circumvent them with the help of the extremely corrupt western banks, and the common people suffer. This leads to resentment of the west and further entrenchment of the target.

First of all, first linked article is semi opinion piece and is a bit sparse with sources, when connecting dots, but otherwise uses trustworthy sources. Second of all, lots of assets were seized in first weeks, then money frozen and overall at least 1/3rd of Putka's warchest was just poof and gone, not to mention that cut off from SWIFT, basically make some banks nearly insolvent. Russia's main industry and cash cow is oil and gas and Europe, albeit imperfectly, but mostly cut off import or greatly reduced it. Who owned those? Russian oligarch's. Sanctions were as possible decent. And basically as time went on, metaphorical low hanging fruit was gone and sanctions became weaker, with more exceptions and etc. And now, exactly when basically whole EU is going broke, is supposed to launch heavy bank investigations and for a while cripple their own whole financial system for nearly nothing (job was already done in first weeks)? Also many of those offshores aren't even NATO or EU territories. And also most financial impact was already achieved with Russian stocks turning worthless, many assets seized, Russian economy tanking, Russian ruble being on life support and oligarchs mostly stripped from clients.

Second link is just garbage. No sources for claims and is Arabian source. I have nothing against Arabs, but it's no secret, that RT (Russia's TV disinformation source) loves Arabia and that Arabia is Putka's ally. I have zero reason to trust that source. At best it is an opinion piece, but it's definitely not a factual article.

Anyway, this is off-topic.

Edit:
Turns out that second website not only has hardly factual article, but also that website is complete POS. Track record includes firing reporters due to speaking against Arabia, killed or kidnapped reporters for various reasons, stealing reports from other agencies, sneaking in what seems to be respectable reporters to publish opinion pieces, leaking sensitive UN data, indirectly threatening US of nuclear attack, which was later criticized even in Arabia. So yeah, classical example of crappy source of news.

 

[darakian]

Cortex-A75 oof. I guess it's something.

 

[caroline!]

Now this is how you spread paste on it.

(I know it's a graphics card, it's a joke)

 

[A Computer Guy]

That genie is out of the bottle. China is not Russia; the west and it are too interdependent for much freedom of action on either side.

With the exception of China and subversive activities. In that regard they have both unique and decisive freedom of action advantages over of the west. The West's intense interdependence of needing China's cheap labor force, medicine manufacturing, and rare earth resources for starters I think makes it politically difficult to thwart their subversive activities as they cry out in pain when we try to remove the knives they stuck in our backs.

 

[First Strike]

Sanctions are made by our idiot leaders to punish what they think in their tiny mind the bad guys, and the rest of us normal people suffer.

No, free trade is not how things have always been. Throughout centuries merchantilism and trade embargo is the norm with guilds imposing political wills on their customers. It's is just the last 30-40 years of globalization that gives people that illusion.
As one of many those illusions, people also believed that major nations do not annex lands. Now we see how the real norm works.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

If its Russian, does it use 7.62mm rounds?

nothing like new p-layers to the field. d

 

[hat]

If its Russian, does it use 7.62mm rounds?

nothing like new p-layers to the field. d

7.62nm manufacturing process with a 54mm die area

 

[AlwaysHope]

Russian tech only exists due to geopolitics, basically the same with Chinese tech too.

Really? they successfully launched the world's first space satellite before the yanks did back in 1957.

 

[Scrizz]

Really? they successfully launched the world's first space satellite before the yanks did back in 1957.

I mean.... wasn't the whole space race, politics?

 

[Vayra86]

Now this is how you spread paste on it.
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(I know it's a graphics card, it's a joke)

I need a test to compare this to the pea method and all that. Nao! I mean it is much colder in soviet russia...

I mean.... wasn't the whole space race, politics?

Damn good point, like @The red spirit 's..

 

[caroline!]

I need a test to compare this to the pea method and all that. Nao! I mean it is much colder in soviet russia...


Damn good point, like @The red spirit 's..

Hammer and sickle method ensures fair and equal distribution of paste to the entire IHS

And the pea method is a symbol of centralised power, the center of the IHS gets the most paste while the outside layers get little or no paste at all and have to suffer higher temperatures

 

[RH92]

Kuddos to Russia !

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Kuddos to Russia !

For what, using someone else's licenced IP to make something most technology companies can also do already and ordering them from a fab they had no part in.

They really stretched the tech putting an open source core in for security or something?!.
The British, American and Taiwanese people who did 98% of the work for them deserve more.

 

[wickerman]

Baikal is fabless, and there is virtually no capacity in Russia to manufacture remotely advanced nodes in any real useful scale. Their chip designers could be the best in the world but will still be held back by the fact they have no domestic alternatives to the tools used to design chips, validate designs, do the lithography, or even the capacity to to grow ingots to make wafers or produce the doping and etching chemicals. All of this is imported from western nations.

The biggest domestic semiconductor fabricator in Russia is JSC Mikron group, accounting for 54% of all chips made in Russia. They mainly produce sim cards, smart cards for transit, and chips for credit cards. Their best "x86" offerings were the Elbrus 2S series with the "+" model being made by TSMC and the M version domestically. That was a 500mhz 90nm chip in 2011 that did x86 emulation, and their own domestically made version wasn't as fast. The 65nm version (elbrus 4s) was TMSC. Their own 65nm capacity was about 500 wafers a month, that might be enough to make some government or military uses viable but good luck competing with anyone on that. Even if ARM or RISC-V designs are easier to fab and yield far better chips, they may as well become a fabless nation.

At best Russia can probably turn to China who does have more advanced fabs..but theres still a question of if those fabs will be able to operate without chemicals, tools, and software that could quickly fall behind sanctions. But long term China has a far better chance than Russia does at becoming a place to fab decently advanced nodes outside of western allied countries, and I really wouldnt bet on that either.

Russia and China have had the same problems with corruption. And no matter how much money you throw at the problem, the vast majority goes to connected shell companies rather than the research universities and building a supply chain capable of domestically supplying all the things you need rather than just a concrete building full of worn out lithography equipment.

Making this stuff is such a massive undertaking there is probably a good reason so much of it became multinational cooperation and investment.

 

[Vayra86]

Hammer and sickle method ensures fair and equal distribution of paste to the entire IHS

And the pea method is a symbol of centralised power, the center of the IHS gets the most paste while the outside layers get little or no paste at all and have to suffer higher temperatures