AMD Announces the $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX and $899 RX 7900 XT, 5nm RDNA3, DisplayPort 2.1, FSR 3.0 FluidMotion

[dragontamer5788]

I like the more realistic pricing provided by AMD here, but I'm not thrilled about pricing still being so high when compared to just a few generations back. I know technology advances and that prices go up (inflation, scarcity, demand, wage increases, etc), but when we were all seeing high end cards such as the 980Ti at MSRP of $650 or the AMD R9 Fury X MSRP of $649.
How about the GTX 1080 MSRP of $599 (and the 1080Ti MSRP of $$699) or the Vega 64 MSRP of $499.

So something to note. Back 10 years ago, when you cut a transistor from 24nm to 16nm, you also made it 50% cheaper (per transistor). So back then, they could offer better-and-better GPUs for cheaper-and-cheaper, because the economics supported it. Today, 7nm to 5nm is not cheaper at all. It gets you better performance (faster, less power usage, etc. etc.), but the shear effort that goes into the 5nm process blows away your budget entirely.

I understand this is the reality now. Chips will get more expensive as they get more advanced from here on out. Moore's Law is dead (again, but in a different way).

 

[ARF]

Nvidia has not released a competitor to the 7900xt. The 4080 is not out . A 4090 is faster and logically amd will not show a bunch of graphs with 4090 being faster and it’s also not even in the same price tier.

How do you know? The TPU performance chart clearly shows that RTX 4090 is only 53% faster than the RX 6950 XT, while AMD's slide shows up to 70% performance increase.
With the same success I can tell you that RX 7900 XTX will be faster than RTX 4090 and RTX 4090 needs a 50% price reduction, otherwise no one will buy it except the diehard core nvidia fanboys/girls.

 

[Hxx]

Nvidia has not released a competitor to the 7900xt. The 4080 is not out . A 4090 is faster and logically amd will not show a bunch of graphs with 4090 being faster and it’s also not even in the same price tier. So they showed a bunch of fluff and compared against their prior lineup.nothing new or unusual .

How do you know? The TPU performance chart clearly shows that RTX 4090 is only 53% faster than the RX 6950 XT, while AMD's slide shows up to 70% performance increase.
With the same success I can tell you that RX 7900 XTX will be faster than RTX 4090 and RTX 4090 needs a 50% price reduction, otherwise no one will buy it except the diehard core nvidia fanboys/girls.

Don’t get me wrong I wish the 7900xtx will be faster than a 4090 . that would be like a tech Christmas gift to gamers and a big middle finger to nvidia but I don’t see it .. especially with dlss and nvidia grabbing gamers with ray tracing benchmarks etc.
the bigger point is that the 7900xtx doesn’t need to beat a 4090. It’s way cheaper and if its consistently faster than a 4080 then that’s a win for amd

 

[AusWolf]

They barely showed them this time and when they did they used RT+FSR ffs. THAT'S MY POINT
What are they hiding and are not willing to show us?

We'll see on 13th December.

 

[medi01]

No idea why you mentioned the 4080.

Which of the two?

The 12 GB 4080 that was "unlunched" thanks to AMD?
Or the 16GB 4080 that is slower, yet has MSRP of $1200 (and god knows what hidden markup via AIBs)?

Should I instead mention a card with a street price of 2300 Euro instead? Why?

 

[mahoney]

Yeah like the AMD cards are gonna sell at their MSRP prices right? You really are deluded

 

[neatfeatguy]

Yeah like the AMD cards are gonna sell at their MSRP prices right? You really are deluded

The 4090s are selling at MSRP. Inventory trickles in and goes out. Why won't AMD's sell for MSRP?

If the cards launch and they don't list at the MSRP price range, then you can make this claim. If you're talking about people scalping, then that's your own fault for paying those scalper prices.

 

[mahoney]

The 4090s are selling at MSRP. Inventory trickles in and goes out. Why won't AMD's sell for MSRP?

If the cards launch and they don't list at the MSRP price range, then you can make this claim. If you're talking about people scalping, then that's your own fault for paying those scalper prices.

Where is the 4090 selling for MSRP? They're over 2300€ in Europe

 

[neatfeatguy]

Where is the 4090 selling for MSRP? They're over 2300€ in Europe

Boo-hoo. Sucks to be you then. They're at MSRP in the States. If I want to sit outside a MicroCenter on their delivery days I could get one for MSRP, but I'm not senile enough to waste my money on one.

 

[mahoney]

Boo-hoo. Sucks to be you then. They're at MSRP in the States. If I want to sit outside a MicroCenter on their delivery days I could get one for MSRP, but I'm not senile enough to waste my money on one.

No they're without added tax in the States

 

[80-watt Hamster]

No they're without added tax in the States

MSRP in the Sates means MSRP plus applicable taxes. We who live here accept that's how it works. If I buy a thing with a $100 MSRP for $100, I pay $105 in North Dakota (perhaps more depending on city and/or county). That does not mean I bought the thing for more than MSRP.

 

[Vayra86]

No they're without added tax in the States

They're not, their VAT is just a lot lower. In EU, 20+% is the norm.

We're stuck on a continent that isn't producing its own shit and isn't the home turf for all the brands we want to buy from. If we get MSRP, the market is well seeded and inventory must go. Its not right now. And we have too much money regardless, so inflated pricing still sells, that's the long and short of it. We're our own problem, really.

Our first world problems are our problems, it has nothing to do with MSRP/actual GPU value/store pricing, so just take MSRP and don't add your own sauce over it. Every locale has its issues. For our high tax pressure, we get those tiny bonuses in life like working and effective health insurance/healthcare, much better social security, now in two layers as the EU also has an opinion (and executive power) on that, and a few more pieces of protection here and there.

Hey and there's another side of the coin for not producing our own chips, we also don't have massive lakes of black sludge filled with toxic waste & chemicals. At least, not quite as many as they do elsewhere. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[revanoctis]

At this price will we have any supply issues? The 4090s are still selling out at $1800+. I assume lots of people will go for the $999 7900 XTX.

 

[AusWolf]

Oh so the 4090 wasn't the rival ? Oh ok because it seems all the bullshit speculations just a few days ago from Adored - said the performance leap was gonna be generational and Moore's Law is dead who also bs'ed the big performance gains...
Also TPU benchmarks are flawed since Wizzard used the 5800x. There's almost a 7% difference between the 5800x and the 12900k at 4k

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review

We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.

www.techpowerup.com

It's clear as day how many amd fanboys there are can't even see how sus the whole presentation was.


I've shown you proof that in the last 5 years they've ALWAYS shown their cherrypicked benchmarks. But ok

The 4090 isn't the rival here. It was clear right from the point when they revealed the $999 starting price. Or do you seriously think AMD would miss out on $600 profit for every single card sold for no reason?

Also:
1. Forget about Moore's Law Is Dead. That channel is all speculation and no facts. Utter rubbish.
2. Why are you still hung up on a frekkin' presentation? It was that: a presentation. What more do you want?

No product launch presentation has revealed any usable benchmark number compared against anything. Ever.

 

[Braegnok]

I forget how easy it is for one side to get triggered when these presentations or possible leaks come out. This is some good shit here, listening to hardcore fans of Nvidia trying hard to defend the 4090 and then seeing what the hardcore AMD fans are rebutting with.

Wish I had some popcorn.

I like the more realistic pricing provided by AMD here, but I'm not thrilled about pricing still being so high when compared to just a few generations back. I know technology advances and that prices go up (inflation, scarcity, demand, wage increases, etc), but when we were all seeing high end cards such as the 980Ti at MSRP of $650 or the AMD R9 Fury X MSRP of $649.
How about the GTX 1080 MSRP of $599 (and the 1080Ti MSRP of $$699) or the Vega 64 MSRP of $499.

Oh well, I guess I just dwell on the old pricing of better days and keep hoping things will settle down more. At least AMD isn't trying to rake people over the coals with extreme pricing like Nvidia is doing now.

I truly hope the 7900 cards put's Nvidia to shame. Even if they can't quite match the 4090, but if they can kick the crap out of the 4080 16GB and do it for $200-300 less, that would be awesome.

I'll be on-line shopping Dec 13th hoping to buy the RX 7900 XTX reference card,.. along with thousands of bots, scalpers, and others like me,.. lol

After doing some quick napkin mathematics,.. the 7900 XTX is indeed faster than my RTX 3090 Ti,..

 

[medi01]

AMD cards are gonna sell at their MSRP prices right?

I don't know (and that was not the point).

The point was to stop referring to 2300 Euro card as "$1600".

Whatever AMD does, we'll see soon enough. And then we can compare. Something tells me, that 300mm2+37*6mm2 that has already DOA-ed 12GB 4080, might not stop the bloodbath and finish 4080 16GB too.


The fine detail of how DRASTIC the drop from 4090 to 4080 is, is quite telling.
No RT whining (7950XTX beats 3090Ti at RT, lol) and no levels of FUD can fix that.

MCM, motherf*cker!!!

They're at MSRP in the States.

Oh, sure, John.

Across bestbuy and newegg, the only stuff in stock is $2300+ (wait, where have I seen that figure? Mm)

AMD Announces the $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX and $899 RX 7900 XT, 5nm RDNA3, DisplayPort 2.1, FSR 3.0 FluidMotion

I like the more realistic pricing provided by AMD here, but I'm not thrilled about pricing still being so high when compared to just a few generations back. I know technology advances and that prices go up (inflation, scarcity, demand, wage increases, etc), but when we were all seeing high end...

www.techpowerup.com

Or as part of pre-built PC that costs 4000+.

"The more you pay buy, the more you save" (c) The Leather Man

 

[ARF]

The 4090 isn't the rival here. It was clear right from the point when they revealed the $999 starting price. Or do you seriously think AMD would miss out on $600 profit for every single card sold for no reason?

This is assuming that nvidia dictates the prices and there is no free market influence from the competition and the customers who both have an interest to lower the prices, because obviously no one buys RTX 4090 for that insane abnormally high pricing.

RTX 4090 is literally a garbage card.
- low DP 1.4 support
- ultra heavy - can cause breakages in one's case
- hot
- power hungry
- super ultra expensive
- wrong software - no proper modern user interface, lock-in the users to log-in in order to use some more functionality
- EVGA that held 40% of the US market for nvidia cards said no and left the partnership with nvidia
- low quality power connector which burns and causes electrical issues
- something else that I missed?

 

[medi01]

What 7900XTX did to 12GB 4080, before the latter was "unlaunched"

 

[THU31]

What is the correct number of shader units? 6144 according official AMD site, or 12288?

This is kind of interesting. They did mention something about double instructions per clock. But the die size and 61 TFLOPS definitely suggest 12288, at least effectively.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Oh, sure, John.

Across bestbuy and newegg, the only stuff in stock is $2300+ (wait, where have I seen that figure? Mm)

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Nice find there on Newegg!
So nice of you to post a picture of a 4090 that's not listed at MSRP because it's being sold by someone that is not newegg. It's just someone that has a 4090 is trying to hook a sucker into paying almost $1k over MSRP.

I'll leave this picture here for you, I highlighted in yellow and added a couple of red arrows to show you who the seller is. Clearly it's not newegg. I'm glad you're basing your thoughts that these cards are not being sold at MSRP due to what scalpers are hoping you'd pay.

As I said before, the cards are selling at MSRP. Just because you can't find one in your neck of the world or even with relative ease here in the States, doesn't mean they are not selling at MSRP.

 

[ARF]

What's the difference between $2535 and $1599? Scalper tax?

BTW, how will they sell the Radeon RX 7900 XT 24 GB for 1195 euro and the RX 7900 XT 20 GB for 1075 euro if they still keep these prices?:

Radeon RX 6900 XT - 749 euro
Radeon RX 6950 XT - 899 euro - lowest price currently available in Germany.

 

[medi01]

because it's being sold by someone that is not newegg

This is the right time for you to shine and link 4090 at newegg sold for $1600.

Oh, you can't? Hm, why could that be... what a mystery...

What's the difference between $2535 and $1599? Scalper tax?

Remember how 2080Ti had "MSRP" of "$999"?
That is, with some nuances, the same way 4090 has "MSRP" of "$1600".

BTW, how will they sell the Radeon RX 7900 XT 24 GB for 1195 euro and the RX 7900 XT 20 GB for 1075 euro if they still keep these prices?:

That is a good question and AMD could well start to get into playing the Leather Man's filthy game.

The key here is that we don't know, if it will (it well might).
But we know FOR SURE that NV definitely was lying about $1600 being 4090's MSRP.

 

[neatfeatguy]

This is the right time for you to shine and link 4090 at newegg sold for $1600.

Oh, you can't? Hm, why could that be... what a mystery...

Once you find a legitimate retailer for the Nvidia 4090 (not a third party seller) and they have it listed for above MSRP, please let us know. But, I'll go a head and post sites that are selling 4090s, sure, it sucks they're currently out of stock, but they do list and sell them at MSRP and at the suggested price the AIBs have made clear when they have inventory.

Here's newegg. I see them all at their suggested price.....no card being sold by newegg is over any MSRP or suggested AIB pricing.


Let's try....best buy! Nothing above MSRP or listed AIB price for these cards.


How about we look at Micro Center?


Dang it....they have all their listings at MSRP or suggested AIB pricing! I don't understand..... You said the cards aren't selling for their listed pricing, but I can't seem to corroborate your findings. I can, however, find listings for RTX 4090 cards from places that are third party sellers and they have their card(s) listed for way above MSRP.

If someone wants to buy a card from a scalper/third party and spend more than MSRP or suggested AIB pricing, then that's on them.

Thankfully, the ignore function on the TPU forums here are wonderful. I do hope you enjoy the rest of your day and hopefully you don't let all the pricing and leaks of future GPUs continue to sour your time on the forums.

 

[mahoney]

And they're all sold out. While those in stock have insane markup prices

 

[medi01]

Let's try....best buy! Nothing above MSRP or listed AIB price for these cards.

Oh.

.they have all their listings at MSRP

Ah.

If someone wants to buy a card

Uh.

They can buy it right?
Or wait, t hey can NOT buy it, right?
Since it's sold out?

But at least they can see that "the price is real"?