AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Processors Get their First Round of Price Cuts, 7950X at $574

[AlwaysHope]

I'm purely a gamer, going by my current Steam backlog I don't have to update any hardware for the rest of my lifetime I'll probably get around to playing Cyberpunk 2077 in 2077. (Might be bug free by then)

Your 2022 motherboard will be like an Apple I or II computer by then, probably demand something like 35k + cause' of "collectability".

 

[Jism]

When a few years back AMD motherboards where much cheaper than Intel motherboards, people didn't seem to have a problem with that. Because FPS counter and single thread performance off course.

Now everyone talks about motherboard pricing.

The same with thermals, power consumption, multithreading performance. When AMD had an advantage, over Nvidia or Intel, it was unimportant. When AMD had a disadvantage, it was the de facto deciding factor in choosing hardware.


That being said, Tom's Hardware had a very analytical article about, why AMD's motherboards could be more expensive than Intel's.
Why AMD’s Ryzen 7000 and Motherboards Cost So Damn Much | Tom's Hardware

More than what in that article is said, I also have a theory that, this time motherboard manufacturers are not willing to support a motherboard for 3-4 years for free. So I believe that AM5 motherboards integrate also a small TAX for that extra long time BIOS support. A motherboard manufacturer selling an LGA 1700 motherboard, know that will not have to add new architecture support for that LGA 1700 motherboard after 2023. On the other hand, the same manufacturer knows that the AM5 motherboard sold today, will need to get BIOS updates for at least until 2025. That much have a cost.

Exactly.

Users forget one important thing: longevity. These things are designed to run for years. And CPU's become so powerfull these days you really dont need to upgrade for a while. Some decade ago that looked different. But now you swap out the CPU and even your AM4 motherboard is still good for another 3 year depending on your use case.

Bios updates have to be enrolled (Agesa), validation, testing, all that stuff. On top of that the pricing of components is rising as well. Covid messed up alot in the world. But at the other end, more profits is what at the end of the day they are all aiming at.

 

[Vario]

I also had an i7 3770k. Finally decided to upgrade it to a i7 13700K after 10 years of flawless service. And I'm not at all impressed. So I know exactly what you mean.

May depend on what you are doing with it, but I have done two CPU upgrades in the last 10 years. The 2012 i7 3770K to 2017 i5 8600K, noticed a slight improvement but not much. 2017 i5 8600K to 2022 12900KS, I noticed a big improvement.

 

[A Computer Guy]

This combo below seems pretty appealing to me. In particular the CPU discount seems pretty deep for the performance it offers.
I'm tempted to replace my 2700 but I can't justify the overall cost of it right now since it does what I need it to do and probably for the next two years at least.
With the AM5 board prices as high as they are, getting a lesser AM5 CPU just doesn't seem to make sense unless you get the rock bottom $150 board.

($554) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - 16-Core 4.5 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor (100-100000514WOF)

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - 16-Core 4.5 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor (100-100000514WOF) - Newegg.com

Buy AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - 16-Core 4.5 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor (100-100000514WOF) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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($220) ASRock PRO B650 PRO RS AM5 ATX Mainboard

ASRock PRO B650 PRO RS AM5 ATX Mainboard , 4 slots DDR5, PCIE 4.0 x16, 3 M.2 slots, 2.5Gb Lan, 7.1 Nahimic Audio , Rear USB3.2 Gen2X2 Type_C , 14+2+1 Power Phase, bios flash back. - Newegg.com

Buy ASRock PRO B650 PRO RS AM5 ATX Mainboard , 4 slots DDR5, PCIE 4.0 x16, 3 M.2 slots, 2.5Gb Lan, 7.1 Nahimic Audio , Rear USB3.2 Gen2X2 Type_C , 14+2+1 Power Phase, bios flash back. with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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If AM5 allowed for PCIe 4.0 and DDR4 minimums I think motherboard venders would have been hugely more competitive on price at the less premium end while still offering good quality.

 

[[XC] Oj101]

I don't expect a shift in sales from this. Not when you can get a 12400F, B660 board and 16GB DDR4-3200 for the price of a 7600X, or a 13700KF, B660 board and 16GB DDR4-4400 for the price of a 7950X. Motherboard prices need to fall, or Zen 4 needs to come to AM4 for rapid adoption.

 

[Max(IT)]

this is the new AMD at its finest: milking its customers base (aka fanboys/supporters) at launch, and now placing the CPUs at the price they should have had since the beginning.
They are resembling Intel more and more...

I don't expect a shift in sales from this. Not when you can get a 12400F, B660 board and 16GB DDR4-3200 for the price of a 7600X, or a 13700KF, B660 board and 16GB DDR4-4400 for the price of a 7950X. Motherboard prices need to fall, or Zen 4 needs to come to AM4 for rapid adoption.

since they have to adhere to AMD indications, with support until 2025 at least, I strongly suspect board manufacturer aren't so keen to lower the prices of their products.
By the way for some CPUs like the 7700X and 7950X, with the new reduced prices the offer is much more interesting now.
If you are speaking about the 7600X, in that case the platform price still is way too high.

 

[big_glasses]

for my part, won't upgrade until 8k CPU's anyways (or 8k3D), don't feel the need to upgrade every CPU, especially with new platform needed.

I'll go against the grain though, I don't think the longevity of AM4 have been a (sales) problem for mobo makers. Sure, they need to update/valiadte/Blabla longer, so a small extra cost there.
But many who have done the replace-upgrade have ether given away their old CPU's or sold them, and these ones will need new mobo's to put in.

 

[Wirko]

since they have to adhere to AMD indications, with support until 2025 at least, I strongly suspect board manufacturer aren't so keen to lower the prices of their products.

AMD's statements are more than just an indication.

"We built the platform around next generation technologies so that you can build today and upgrade as your needs grow over time," explains AMD's David McAfee at today's event. "And, just like AM4, we're making a commitment to support the AM5 platform with new technologies and next generation architectures through at least 2025. We're really excited about the next era of rising desktops with AM5."

AMD plans to support the new AM5 socket through 2025 and beyond

Which coincides nicely with the news that the Zen 5 design is on track for release in 2024.

www.pcgamer.com

Had motherboard manufacturers made a similar commitment, they would have a bit less trouble trying to justify their high prices.

 

[Prima.Vera]

May depend on what you are doing with it, but I have done two CPU upgrades in the last 10 years. The 2012 i7 3770K to 2017 i5 8600K, noticed a slight improvement but not much. 2017 i5 8600K to 2022 12900KS, I noticed a big improvement.

Gaming at 3440x1440@100Hz. Noticed only a slight increase on FPS count with my RTX 3080 card.
And that was also coming from a RAM update from DDR3-2200 to DDR5-6600.

 

[Vayra86]

Still too much AMD, you know we just want to see more X3Ds now, everything else is sub par unless practically free.

May depend on what you are doing with it, but I have done two CPU upgrades in the last 10 years. The 2012 i7 3770K to 2017 i5 8600K, noticed a slight improvement but not much. 2017 i5 8600K to 2022 12900KS, I noticed a big improvement.

That 8600K was a mistake, you actually lost two threads there, moving from 4c8t to 6c is not helpful, those 6c are still juggling big tasks then; they did better than 4c8t, but you still didn't always have a full core available for heavy ST. So where it matters most, is most visible (realtime load like gaming), your ST perf was barely improved.

I moved from 3570K > 8700K; the jump was enormous, on the same GPU, major gain in min./avg. FPS, much smaller gain in max; that was a pure jump in every aspect, instead of 'trading'. 4c 4.2 with lower IPC to 6c12t 4.6 with higher IPC. You experienced that same jump going to a 12900KS.

 

[The Von Matrices]

It should be emphasized that the effective price on newegg for an AM5 CPU + motherboard has increased with this change, not decreased. This is because they revoked the very large CPU+mobo combo discounts they were running when these CPU-only discounts went live, and those combo discounts were larger than these new discounts. And they covered a wide range of motherboards from most of the brands, too. So you're effectively paying more now today in the US than you were two days ago if you're buying a Zen 4 platform.

I noticed this too. I was looking for a deal and then noticed that the price of the MB + CPU increased from the previous combo deal. Plus, even though they advertise a $20 promo code of both the MB and CPU's product pages, you can only use the code once.

 

[Vario]

Still too much AMD, you know we just want to see more X3Ds now, everything else is sub par unless practically free.


That 8600K was a mistake, you actually lost two threads there, moving from 4c8t to 6c is not helpful, those 6c are still juggling big tasks then; they did better than 4c8t, but you still didn't always have a full core available for heavy ST. So where it matters most, is most visible (realtime load like gaming), your ST perf was barely improved.

I moved from 3570K > 8700K; the jump was enormous, on the same GPU, major gain in min./avg. FPS, much smaller gain in max; that was a pure jump in every aspect, instead of 'trading'. 4c 4.2 with lower IPC to 6c12t 4.6 with higher IPC. You experienced that same jump going to a 12900KS.

Two years after buying the 8600K, I bought and installed an i9 9900K in the same system, but I ended up returning it because it was indistinguishable from the 8600K but much hotter. If I had gone from the 3770K to the 9900K, I would still have been unimpressed.

The 12900KS was a genuine performance jump from the i5 8600K. If I had gone from a 3770K to a 12900KS, I would have been even more impressed.

 

[Vayra86]

Two years after buying the 8600K, I bought and installed an i9 9900K in the same system, but I ended up returning it because it was indistinguishable from the 8600K but much hotter. If I had gone from the 3770K to the 9900K, I would still have been unimpressed.

The 12900KS was a genuine performance jump from the i5 8600K. If I had gone from a 3770K to a 12900KS, I would have been even more impressed.

What GPU did you run on the 8600K? I'm really surprised in that case, because Total War Warhammer for example was night & day for me.

 

[Vario]

What GPU did you run on the 8600K? I'm really surprised in that case, because Total War Warhammer for example was night & day for me.

GTX 1060 6GB