January 5 Release Date Predicted for NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti

[Bomby569]

But that's the thing - at least in EU there was no "clearing of Ampere stock". After the fall of crypto in April 2022 the very high prices in shops persisted for a very long time. We have read about "plummeting prices" in tech sites, but they hardly materialized. For instance RTX 3080 10GB with MSRP of $699 or about 840 EUR in Germany was available for about that price only after RTX 4090 was launched. And when the RTX 4080 launched, prices of 3080 were slowly beginning to rise. So there was no "clearing" - I doubt that buyers jumped on an extremely inviting price of MSRP two years after the launch? And now they are mostly gone? Something's fishy, and it looks like dissapearing GTX 1080 and 1080 Ti back in 2020 when Nvidia had problem selling RTX 2080.

They were discounted and in the stock in the US. EU had insane pricings in comparison so probably no retailer wanted to stock up on them and never had any excess inventory problem. I know the biggest stores in my country always had all the cards for sale but they never really had much on stock, it was always "avaiable on x date" so they were buying only as needed.

 

[Bwaze]

But do you really know people that bought Ampere cards right before Ada launched, for two year old MSRP, and without knowing what Ada will bring? That's a strange moment to buy a graphics card.

And right after RTX 4080 launched and we found out RTX 3080 is actually better value card, they were gone...

 

[Bomby569]

But do you really know people that bought Ampere cards right before Ada launched, for two year old MSRP, and without knowing what Ada will bring? That's a strange moment to buy a graphics card.

And right after RTX 4080 launched and we found out RTX 3080 is actually better value card, they were gone...

Never discount how dumb/distracted people are, not everybody follows the news, they see a discount and buy, if there weren't much of it in the first place it doesn't take many people to fell for it.

This actually happened to me. I ended up with a 1060 gddr5x because my brother didn't knew better and bought one. When i knew and told him he sold me theirs and bought a 2000 series card. On a side note it ended up dying and i got full money for it a year later so ended up to be a really nice deal after all

 

[bug]

But that's the thing - at least in EU there was no "clearing of Ampere stock". After the fall of crypto in April 2022 the very high prices in shops persisted for a very long time. We have read about "plummeting prices" in tech sites, but they hardly materialized. For instance RTX 3080 10GB with MSRP of $699 or about 840 EUR in Germany was available for about that price only after RTX 4090 was launched. And when the RTX 4080 launched, prices of 3080 were slowly beginning to rise. So there was no "clearing" - I doubt that buyers jumped on an extremely inviting price of MSRP two years after the launch? And now they are mostly gone? Something's fishy, and it looks like dissapearing GTX 1080 and 1080 Ti back in 2020 when Nvidia had problem selling RTX 2080.

My point exactly. Nvidia has pushed back Ada, released it a premium, in part to help the channel get rid of Ampere stock. If all they did was hold on to their prices, I'm not gonna cry for them now.
Although, you have to keep in mind, the dollar has pretty much reached parity with euro, that's another source for high prices. We used to say "$500 translates to 500€ when you factor in taxes and everything". We can't do that anymore.

 

[AusWolf]

But do you really know people that bought Ampere cards right before Ada launched, for two year old MSRP, and without knowing what Ada will bring? That's a strange moment to buy a graphics card.

End-of-life discounts are the best moments to buy any computer hardware, imo. It's not the 1990s anymore - the next generation is never so fundamentally different that buying anything else would hold back your gaming experience in any way.

Regardless, I don't know how Ampere stock is gone in Europe. It's still widely available here in the UK, which isn't a surprise considering that there hasn't been any massive discount on it. AMD cards go for the price of one tier lower Nvidia ones.

 

[Bomby569]

End-of-life discounts are the best moments to buy any computer hardware, imo.

It's not the 1990s anymore - the next generation is never so fundamentally different that buying anything else would hold back your gaming experience in any way.

There were no end of life discounts for 3000 series in the EU, worth it or even remotely appealing. Not that i saw.
Those that bought on the discounts that existed didn't knew better and were bamboozled

 

[AusWolf]

There were no end of life discounts for 3000 series in the EU, worth it or even remotely appealing. Not that i saw.
Those that bought on the discounts that existed didn't knew better and were bamboozled

I don't think there were any end-of-life discounts on 3000 series anywhere - this is one area where Nvidia f-ed up the 4000 launch.

 

[Bwaze]

End-of-life discounts are the best moments to buy any computer hardware, imo. It's not the 1990s anymore - the next generation is never so fundamentally different that buying anything else would hold back your gaming experience in any way.

I know it's not 1990s, but you don't have to go back that far. RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti weren't really popular, and when RTX 3080 was introduced for less money and with a proper performance uplift, who in their right mind would be happy by purchasing $800 older card with 40% less performance? And if you were lucky, you could even beat the scalpers in US. Not in EU, we were scalped by the stores themselves, and Founders Edition cards weren't officially even available (Notebooksbilliger sold some, with heavy checking if you're really German).

I don't think there were any end-of-life discounts on 3000 series anywhere - this is one area where Nvidia f-ed up the 4000 launch.

They didn't "f up", by their own advertising RTX 4090, 4080 were meant to exist on top of Ampere lineup, not replace RTX 3090 and 3080. Being priced accordingly.

That's why it's strange to me Ampere cards are already dissapearing from stock.

 

[1d10t]

4050 = 300-400

And to think here in my country a $350 GTX 1650 Super still selling, why nVidia even bother?

 

[AusWolf]

I know it's not 1990s, but you don't have to go back that far. RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti weren't really popular, and when RTX 3080 was introduced for less money and with a proper performance uplift, who in their right mind would be happy by purchasing $800 older card with 40% less performance? And if you were lucky, you could even beat the scalpers in US. Not in EU, we were scalped by the stores themselves, and Founders Edition cards weren't officially even available (Notebooksbilliger sold some, with heavy checking if you're really German).

That's again on Nvidia for not discounting old stock to make room for the new, and for capitalizing on the RTX brand with no end. Signs of a company that doesn't give a hoot about their partners' and customers' satisfaction because profit is above all else in all circumstances.

They didn't "f up", by their own advertising RTX 4090, 4080 were meant to exist on top of Ampere lineup, not replace RTX 3090 and 3080. Being priced accordingly.

That's why it's strange to me Ampere cards are already dissapearing from stock.

I don't think that they were meant to coexist. I think Nvidia expected scalpers and miners to buy up all Ampere stock before the Ada launch, but this plan got thrown out of the window when crypto crashed.

 

[Bwaze]

I don't think that they were meant to coexist. I think Nvidia expected scalpers and miners to buy up all Ampere stock before the Ada launch, but this plan got thrown out of the window when crypto crashed.

They were meant to coexist with RTX 3080 and lower until early 2023 at least, by Nvidia's own marketing material.

 

[AusWolf]

They were meant to coexist with RTX 3080 and lower until early 2023 at least, by Nvidia's own marketing material.

...marketing material after the crypto crash. I don't think they planned for them to coexist about a year ago and before.

 

[Bwaze]

...marketing material after the crypto crash. I don't think they planned for them to coexist about a year ago and before.

I really doubt that, staggered release by several months had to be planned really far back, or they are now sitting on a large warehouses of lower end Ada cards?

 

[Bomby569]

They can also just store the chips in the warehouse, and wait for next crypto round to release them like they did before. Or sell to the chinese in bulk for their cheapo aliexpress cards with some random pcb and cooler as they usually do

 

[bug]

That's again on Nvidia for not discounting old stock to make room for the new, and for capitalizing on the RTX brand with no end. Signs of a company that doesn't give a hoot about their partners' and customers' satisfaction because profit is above all else in all circumstances.

It's actually on partners and stores. Nvidia has signed contracts for GPUs long ago, it's not like they're making 3090s en-masse today.

 

[xorbe]

Guessing $799 for 192-bit card, which they can keep.

 

[ARF]

The sad thing is, rebadge or no, people will just buy Nvidia and nothing else. Sure their new stuff isn't selling as well as their now 2 year old cards but Nvidia are assured people will eventually come around. They'll price the 4070Ti the same as the 12 GB 4080 (unreleased).

The idiots and morons deserve their fate, if so.

 

[Vayra86]

I don't think there were any end-of-life discounts on 3000 series anywhere - this is one area where Nvidia f-ed up the 4000 launch.

Yeah? I think Nvidia has pretty limited runs on 4nm right now, so they price accordingly, and market share wise they're not under pressure. AMD hasn't released yet either so there is no pressure from there either. The node is new, the yields can probably improve further, so saturating the market now is not a profitable strategy.

...aaaand I'm off playing Darktide on my 1080, with decent FPS. Urge to buy into the current market is still zero. We're in limbo and I wonder what's gonna give first, but looking at the sentiment, I think Nvidia won't reach their intended target with this strategy regardless of it being a good one for them; that said I do agree they had a rocky launch so far, but not in terms of their market position as it is.

As always... patience. Things will land in a better place eventually.

 

[Dirt Chip]

i'm actually curious to see what they did, new box or just stickers everywhere

And I`m curious to see the people`s reaction to the scalpers above-MSRP-of-the-4080-12GB to the 4070TI, that is 1000$+ after tax.
Already stuffing the popcorn.

The idiots and morons deserve their fate, if so.

If 4070TI will compete well with the 7900XT on raster (which is 900$+ before tax) and it will surly have the RT+DLSS3 advantage so no reason on earth to price it lower than that.

Idiotic will be to choose 7900XT over 4070TI at the same cost in order to retaliate in some sort against NV, considering you can have use for RT.

 

[Prima.Vera]

This card should sell for 499$ or less, including taxes, tops!
Any other price is just callous rip off.

 

[64K]

Colorful has confirmed that the 4070 Ti has the same specs as the former 4080 12 GB which was cancelled by Nvidia and replaced that version with the 4080 16GB. Here is a pic of Colorful's 4070 Ti

 

[AusWolf]

Colorful has confirmed that the 4070 Ti has the same specs as the former 4080 12 GB which was cancelled by Nvidia and replaced that version with the 4080 16GB.

How is that possible? The cancelled 4080 12 GB was supposed to use the full GA103 die, but even the released 16 GB version doesn't max it out.

 

[Bwaze]

How is that possible? The cancelled 4080 12 GB was supposed to use the full GA103 die, but even the released 16 GB version doesn't max it out.

It uses AD104, not AD103:

NVIDIA 4nm AD104 "Ada" Silicon Pictured, Half the Die-area of AD102

 

[64K]

How is that possible? The cancelled 4080 12 GB was supposed to use the full GA103 die, but even the released 16 GB version doesn't max it out.

Here is where I read about it:

Colorful confirms GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics card, same specs as 4080 12GB - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 4070 Ti has now been confirmed Not only has Colorful revealed the first RTX 4070 Ti graphics card, but also almost the entire specs. The card pictured below is the RTX 4070 Ti BattleAx Deluxe. This cooler is already used by RTX 4080 16GB model, so design-wise it is not that...

videocardz.com

 

[JAB Creations]

So that is when they're launching the 4060...I mean "4070"....I mean "4070 ti"...