Intel "Raptor Lake Refresh" Meant to Fill in for Scrapped "Meteor Lake" Desktop?

[The Von Matrices]

It would be nice if they could get creative with a new naming scheme. Core has been around since 775, i7 etc has been around since 1366, and these new CPUs have nothing to do with their past.

I disagree. I think Intel is great in that they label their CPUs as "nth gen". They've had a consistent naming scheme for longer than any other silicon manufacturer. I can easily know that 13th gen Core is newer than 12th gen Core. and that a Core i7 2600 is from the 2nd generation, which is older than the 13th. Their GPU division also made a good move using A-B-C-D.. for each generation, which is similarly easy.

It's much much better than all the other manufactures who use three or four digit numbers and then when they get past 900 or 9000 start over with a completely different numbering scheme. Ask a layperson which is better - a Radeon HD 7970 or a Radeon RX 7900 XTX. They would probably say the 7970 because it has a higher number even though we know it is a decade older and the numbering scheme rolled over. The worst was AMD in the 2010s who just give all their GPU products a unique name (Vega, Fury, etc.) that provided no context on how new it was.

 

[Dirt Chip]

I actually find it pointless to upgrade if the improvement is just on the E-cores. But that is subjected to individuals' use case. If I were still into doing video encoding/ decoding related work, then I guess the faster E-cores will be useful. However for people using their system for games which uses P-cores almost exclusively, then I don't believe it will benefit FPS at all. You may see better benchmark results, but that's just benchmarks and generally don't translate to real life experience.

It`s not just the e-cores, it`s in addition to P-cores enhancement.
As of now, those e+P CPU`s are doing fine in real life gaming experience.
No reason for it will go backwards and if so, they will simply won`s sell

 

[john_]

No reason for it will go backwards and if so, they will simply won`s sell

Backwards, no. Just slow down performance advancements. It would have a negative impact in their core count, but until AMD comes out with their own hybrid configuration, Intel will maintain core count advantage. Even at 22 cores. They will only lose thread count parity, dropping to 28 threads.

 

[ThrashZone]

If I had to guess, I would say 80+% of new builds I've seen on build request threads on the net are Intel 12 and 13 gen builds and that's being conservative.

Hi,
Yep poll was taken not to long ago there are some puddles 9th-10th-11th

What CPU architecture do you use?

We're wondering.. what's inside your PC? A brand-new Raptor Lake or AMD Zen 4? Happy with Zen 3 or Alder Lake, or are you still using some older tech?

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Luke357]

Hi,
Yep poll was taken not to long ago there are some puddles 9th-10th-11th

What CPU architecture do you use?

We're wondering.. what's inside your PC? A brand-new Raptor Lake or AMD Zen 4? Happy with Zen 3 or Alder Lake, or are you still using some older tech?

www.techpowerup.com

That's partly because the AMD hype was at it's peak. That and the fact that 11th gen was a turd (except maybe the 114 and 116k).

 

[Why_Me]

That's partly because the AMD hype was at it's peak. That and the fact that 11th gen was a turd (except maybe the 114 and 116k).

Add to that fact that over half the heterosexuals on here would sacrifice their first born to AMD if Lisa Su asked them ...

 

[SL2]

That's partly because the AMD hype was at it's peak.

So when AMD is more popular its a hype.. as opposed to when Intel is more popular?

Yeah.. no. Your "why" doesn't makes sense.

Add to that fact that over half the heterosexuals on here would sacrifice their first born to AMD if Lisa Su asked them ...

I've used both, does that make me a bisexual?

I have no faith in AMD now. They sat on vega 7 for years and only begrudgingly moved to rDNA2 with zen3+. By all accounts the peonix point APUs (not the zen 2 or zen 3 models tho) will have the same core count as zen3+ for the GPU, just moving them to rDNA3. I doubt performance will be more then 5-10% faster. And given AMD's naming melarky it wouldnt surprise me if actual laptops sporting a zen4+rDNA3 APU are relatively rare.

That's a lot of FUD to digest. You left out the part about Intel having competitive IGP's only the last few years, something that didn't exist during the Vega years AFAIK. I'm pretty sure it will affect AMD at some point.
Lets not forget how much IGP performance increase Zen 3+ actually brought. I doubt Raptor runs faster than that.

It's not like what you're saying is impossible tho.

Intel stands a good chance of being faster then the majority of ryzen 7000 laptops, depending on how bad AMD's 7000 series pans out.

It's not like fastest IGP evar is the most sought after feature in a laptop anyway. Intel will probably sell more laptop CPU's, but for other reasons.

 

[hs4]

Hi,
Yep poll was taken not to long ago there are some puddles 9th-10th-11th

What CPU architecture do you use?

We're wondering.. what's inside your PC? A brand-new Raptor Lake or AMD Zen 4? Happy with Zen 3 or Alder Lake, or are you still using some older tech?

www.techpowerup.com

Geekbench Browser #samples (Dec 27)
Raptor:21.94k = 13900K/F:13.66k + 13700K/F:4.84k + 13600K/F:3.44k
Raphael:12.97k = 7950X:5.47k + 7900X:4.72k + 7700X:2.02k + 7600X:0.76k

Passmark #samples (Dec 27)
Raptor:2077 = 13900K/F:958 + 13700K/F:606 + 13600K/F:513
Raphael:1447 = 7950X:671 + 7900X:293 + 7700X:328 + 7600X:155

Considering the difference in sales period, it is estimated that Raptor is selling at a pace two to three times that of Raphael. Perhaps, but Q4 2022 global retail sales numbers would be in the 50-120% range for Intel (ADL+RPL) sales relative to AMD (AM5+AM4) in DIY market.

This method successfully predicted the large drop in AMD sales in Q3 2022 but is not suitable for vertical comparisons, since the 7700X actually sells about twice as much as the 7950X.

 

[SL2]

Considering the difference in sales period, it is estimated that Raptor is selling at a pace two to three times that of Raphael.

You're right. Raptor oustsells Raphael, and Vermeer outsells Raptor. I think it's possible that Intel sells more than three times of Raptor compared to Raphael.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/5800x3d-slashed-£329-329.300357/#post-4871779

Amazon Best Sellers: Best Computer CPU Processors

Discover the best Computer CPU Processors in Best Sellers. Find the top 100 most popular items in Amazon Computers & Accessories Best Sellers.

www.amazon.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/zg21j0

 

[hs4]

You're right. Raptor oustsells Raphael, and Vermeer outsells Raptor. I think it's possible that Intel sells more than three times of Raptor compared to Raphael.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/5800x3d-slashed-£329-329.300357/#post-4871779

Amazon Best Sellers: Best Computer CPU Processors

Discover the best Computer CPU Processors in Best Sellers. Find the top 100 most popular items in Amazon Computers & Accessories Best Sellers.

www.amazon.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/zg21j0

Mindfactory can be considered as the bottom line since its customers favor AMD. So, if ADL+RPL is actually 50% of AM4+AM5 in number of units sold, then my guess would be reasonable.

In the Japanese data, Intel overtook AMD in number of units sold in Feb 2022, and AMD is currently overtaking them, mainly with the Ryzen5000 series. Intel is now 75% of AMD in terms of units sold and about the same in terms of revenue.

 

[DarthJedi]

It's not that Zen 4 failed, it is a lot faster.
The problem is Zen 4 reached Intel's 12th gen single core performance and failed to matching 13th gen at it.
It didn't help that Intel has really nice performance using E-cores when it matters.

 

[SL2]

Mindfactory can be considered as the bottom line since its customers favor AMD.

What makes you say that?

Besides, Amazon.com (see above) tells the same story, without numbers, obviously.