Chinese Loongson Processor Uses Chiplet Design to Pack 32 Cores

[AleksandarK]

Chinese processor designers need help creating a leading-edge design that satisfies their needs, with the imposed sanctions and restrictions of Western countries. However, designers are using creative ways to make a server processor to fulfill their needs. According to the latest Sina report, Chinese company Loongson has developed a 32-core processor using chiplet technology. Previously, the company announced its 16-core 3C5000 processor based on LA464 cores, which utilize LoongArch ISA. Loongson used chiplet technology to fuse two 3C5000 processors into a single-socket solution called 3D5000, which features 32 LA464 cores to create a higher-performing design. Based on the LGA-4129 package, the chip size is 75.4x58.5×6.5 mm.

The company claims that the typical power consumption is rated for 130 Watts at 2.0 GHz or 170 Watts at 2.2 GHz, with TDP power consumption not exceeding 300 Watts at 2.2 GHz even with peaks. The performance of the new 3D5000 processor, measured using SPEC2006, is 400 points and 800 points for single-socket and dual-socket servers, respectively. The four-socket server is expected to reach 1600 points in the same benchmark, so scaling is advertised as linear. Loongson hopes to provide samples to industry partners in the first half of 2023 with an unknown price tag.



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[P4-630]

with an unknown price tag

I'll start bidding with $5.....

 

[freeagent]

Life always finds a way.

If you keep at something long enough, your going to get good at it.

 

[erek]

Life always finds a way.

If you keep at something long enough, your going to get good at it.

Using stolen information and technology from successful countries and companies?

 

[P4-630]

Using stolen information and technology from successful countries and companies?

Same as China copies automobiles, BMW's, Mercedes, Audi's , Range ROver you name it, China copied all of them as they like and they aren't stopping..
BMW sued them but BMW lost the case......

 

[ZoneDymo]

Using stolen information and technology from successful countries and companies?

I mean im pretty sure the world is heavily indebted to china sooo Id say they are pretty successful...
also they are the ones actually making all the stuff so yeah...again..

Same as China copies automobiles, BMW's, Mercedes, Audi's , Range ROver you name it, China copied all of them as they like and they aren't stopping..
BMW sued them but BMW lost the case......

Course they lost, China as a country does not care and all BMW can do is either just avoid china...but there is a LOT of money to be made so they dont do that or just keep making products that are just better then the chinese copies, which is exactly what they are attempting.

all in all I dont think its that unhealthy of a situation personally.

 

[AsRock]

Life always finds a way.

If you keep at something long enough, your going to get good at it.

What stealing you mean and adjusting as needed ?. It's about time they had the same rules as everyone else.

My mother always said the UK was becoming like America, problem is America is becoming like China.

 

[freeagent]

I'm not sticking up for anybody, but call it what you will..

I'm not a very political person.. sorry if I offended.

 

[erek]

What stealing you mean and adjusting as needed ?. It's about time they had the same rules as everyone else.

My mother always said the UK was becoming like America, problem is America is becoming like China.

And China is becoming like North Korea

 

[R-T-B]

Using stolen information and technology from successful countries and companies?

They actually obtained a MIPS license for this, so I'd not call licensing something "stolen." They've since extended it into something almost completely new.

What they've done with that license is nothing short of impressive, and is not all stolen tech, make no mistake. Yes China has a problem with that, but loongson is one of their few success stories.

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

They actually obtained a MIPS license for this, so I'd not call licensing something "stolen." They've since extended it into something almost completely new.

What they've done with that license is nothing short of impressive, and is not all stolen tech, make no mistake. Yes China has a problem with that, but loongson is one of their few success stories.

I mean, the ISA has very little to do with it. Just because they licensed the MIPS ISA does not mean that they did not, hypothetically, "get" some "inspiration" from, say, Apple's A series CPU core microarchitectures, ARM's Cortex designs or Ampere's designs and so forth. I recall an Anandtech article saying that Apple's more recent cores are quite similar to the Intel Core ix microachitectures.

That said, I am not a fan of immediately crying "stolen!" with every product or technology that is developed in China. Regardless of what a Westerner may think of the CCP, the Chinese are absolutely capable of innovation and producing quality products and they are far from the only country that has benefited from economic/industrial espionage.

 

[R-T-B]

I mean, the ISA has very little to do with it. Just because they licensed the MIPS ISA does not mean that they did not, hypothetically, "get" some "inspiration" from, say, Apple's A series CPU core microarchitectures, ARM's Cortex designs or Ampere's designs and so forth. I recall an Anandtech article saying that Apple's more recent cores are quite similar to the Intel Core ix microachitectures.

That said, I am not a fan of immediately crying "stolen!" with every product or technology that is developed in China. Regardless of what a Westerner may think of the CCP, the Chinese are absolutely capable of innovation and producing quality products and they are far from the only country that has benefited from economic/industrial espionage.

Both very valid points.

 

[Crackong]

oh VIA

 

[zlobby]

Given that the Chinese survive the current COVID outbreak, and now that they have the EUV machinery and the designs to build virtually any processor, it will make them trully independent.

Life always finds a way.

 

[Bomby569]

seeing how things are i hope they start developing GPU's and i won't shed a tear if steal anything from either AMD or Nvidia

 

[Minus Infinity]

Sorta funny China can pull of chiplets just as Intel is struggling with Meteor Lake.

 

[zlobby]

Sorta funny China can pull of chiplets just as Intel is struggling with Meteor Lake.

Although it is funny, the fundamental difference here is the motivation (and management).

 

[micropage7]

actually interesting how they still trying to release another processor even the performance is pretty questionable

 

[Patriot]

They actually obtained a MIPS license for this, so I'd not call licensing something "stolen." They've since extended it into something almost completely new.

What they've done with that license is nothing short of impressive, and is not all stolen tech, make no mistake. Yes China has a problem with that, but loongson is one of their few success stories.

I wonder if this gives them the ability to swap out the crypto cores like they did on the Dhyana.

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

oh VIA

this has nothing to do with VIA. VIA has a joint venture with the Shanghai Municipal Government called Zhaoxin that develops x86 cores. Their CPU design team was acquired by Intel recently but their x86 license remains in their/Zhaoxin's hands. There are many Chinese CPU efforts. IIRC AMD also licensed the 1st gen Zen design (minus AVX) to a Chinese company/joint venture. Then there is Phytium developing ARM based designs. You have Alibaba creating RISC-V based designs. There are more designers creating RISC-V core designs. Loongson has their own MIPS based LoongArch. Of course, you also have SoC designers that integrate externally designed CPU cores, such as the famous Allwinner and Rockchip, which use licensed ARM Cortex core designs and other foreign IP. Then, there are Ingenic's low-performance MIPS-based XBurst designs.

 

[Prima.Vera]

To be honest, I see this as very good news. Bringing competition to the already established monopolized companies, such as Intel, AMD and nGreedia is always a very good thing. And guess what? Nobody is sharing any tears over stolen IP from those companies.
They'd became to greedy and too callous anyone to care about them anymore.
Go China!

 

[freeagent]

You guys are getting bent out of shape for nothing. Anybody can copy something, it doesn't meant they can do it well.

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

The real question of course though is: will this finally allow Stallman to have his very own Threadripper workstation-ish system so he no longer has to rely on a netbook?

 

[erek]

oh VIA

I miss the days of VIA

 

[zlobby]

this has nothing to do with VIA. VIA has a joint venture with the Shanghai Municipal Government called Zhaoxin that develops x86 cores. Their CPU design team was acquired by Intel recently but their x86 license remains in their/Zhaoxin's hands. There are many Chinese CPU efforts. IIRC AMD also licensed the 1st gen Zen design (minus AVX) to a Chinese company/joint venture. Then there is Phytium developing ARM based designs. You have Alibaba creating RISC-V based designs. There are more designers creating RISC-V core designs. Loongson has their own MIPS based LoongArch. Of course, you also have SoC designers that integrate externally designed CPU cores, such as the famous Allwinner and Rockchip, which use licensed ARM Cortex core designs and other foreign IP. Then, there are Ingenic's low-performance MIPS-based XBurst designs.

Remember Huawei and their Taishan?