Samsung Electronics Unveils Its New Odyssey, ViewFinity and Smart Monitor Lineups at CES, World's First 7,680 x 2,160 DP 2.1 Monitor

[Dristun]

What happens with 4K at 32” in terms of optimum Ppi to size ratio?

I simply notice that it's not as crisp as on 27". Like, after using everything with super-high PPIs daily for a few years - phone, ipad, monitors, etc, I can't go back to lower, my eyes see the blurriness, haha.

 

[b1k3rdude]

Note that Samsung pushing Smart Hub features into computer monitors means you'll now get ad pop-ups. That is the only reason for this feature - nobody cares about being able to watch Netflix without using the PC you already have connected.

FFS seriously? now a double hard pass on any of thier displays!

I want a display to be a dispaly and nothing more. What I dont want f***ing want is smart/iot device that will A) phone home and B) is a security vuneralability like smart/iot devices.

:-|

 

[Minus Infinity]

Hard pass. Just give me a ~34" 4000 x 2000 HD1000, 600+ local dimming zones, 120Hz, 100% AdobeRGB, DCI-P3, TB4/USB4, DP2.1n oh and no curved screen.

 

[sephiroth117]

Samsung didn't get the memo

People want FLAT 27 and 32 inches 4k 120Hz OLED, just make it happen and profit.

Don't worry LG and Asus will showcase that at CES, they already teased them (LG even opened up preorders).
If samsung want to market a 32:9 screen that 300 consumers will purchase, cool for them.

 

[Guwapo77]

Hard pass. Just give me a ~34" 4000 x 2000 HD1000, 600+ local dimming zones, 120Hz, 100% AdobeRGB, DCI-P3, TB4/USB4, DP2.1n oh and no curved screen.

Local Dimming Zones - You're not ready for OLED?

 

[konga]

You'll need an AMD card, as Nvidia doesn't support DP 2.1.

Nvidia GPUs will able to support that resolution and refresh rate over HDMI 2.1. The bandwidth is sufficient for that. Despite AMD's marketing, DP 2.1 isn't necessary here. In fact, it doesn't enable anything here that HDMI 2.1 didn't already enable.

To those of you pining for a flat-panel 4K oled monitor, it's coming eventually, but you have to be patient. There are manufacturing challenges that need to be overcome in order to enable support for high PPIs in LG's and Samsung's large-panel OLED panel types (QD-OLED and W-OLED -- their brightest and most burn-in resistant OLED panel types). Rumor has it that these challenges could be overcome this year, but it'll be 6 - 12 months before you see any products come from that.

 

[Chaitanya]

The Monitor makers want us to adopt large displays so that they can meld them more to TVs in production costs. I feel the smallest size we will see in a few Years will be 32". Those curved 49" screens are Super immersive (I tried one at the local hardware store). I know what you mean though. I got a Mini LED TV (No Dimming) and my 32" 1440P VA was no longer satisfactory. I love my FV43U though. Samsung are suffering from the same syndrome that other "leaders" get. Let us kill innovation and put them on a drip diet with underwhelming diminishing Quality. There was a time when Samsung was good because it gave you more for your money but these Displays will be part of the Penis envy that is Youtube reviews.

Why do I want a Streaming PC in my monitor?

I dont have deskspace nor do I want monitors to have power consumptions of TV(most Samsung displays these days are 100W+ rated power consumptions), thanks but no thanks for Samsung also their QC is non existent.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

I'd like cheap 24" - 27" OLEDs.
If ASUS can use OLEDs in 15.6" reasonably priced laptops, then so can monitor manufacturers!

Shitty low refresh OLEDS. Also OLED is premium for the monitor and that factor alone demands by market rules it costs more. You don't get cheap and good oled monitors until the next tech that renders it crap is released. Accept this. Embrace it.

 

[Guwapo77]

Nvidia GPUs will able to support that resolution and refresh rate over HDMI 2.1. The bandwidth is sufficient for that. Despite AMD's marketing, DP 2.1 isn't necessary here. In fact, it doesn't enable anything here that HDMI 2.1 didn't already enable.

To those of you pining for a flat-panel 4K oled monitor, it's coming eventually, but you have to be patient. There are manufacturing challenges that need to be overcome in order to enable support for high PPIs in LG's and Samsung's large-panel OLED panel types (QD-OLED and W-OLED -- their brightest and most burn-in resistant OLED panel types). Rumor has it that these challenges could be overcome this year, but it'll be 6 - 12 months before you see any products come from that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but HDMI 2.1 would need to use DSC in order to achieve that resolution and refresh rates. DisplayPort 2.1 doesn't require any form of compression at this time.

The new DisplayPort 2.1 interface allows for some truly breathtaking data transfer speeds. It supports 4K at 480Hz, 8K at 165Hz, and 1440p at 900Hz. - Extremetech.com

HDMI 2.1 - 48 Gbps
DisplayPort 2.1 - 80 Gbps

 

[EatingDirt]

The Monitor makers want us to adopt large displays so that they can meld them more to TVs in production costs. I feel the smallest size we will see in a few Years will be 32". Those curved 49" screens are Super immersive (I tried one at the local hardware store). I know what you mean though. I got a Mini LED TV (No Dimming) and my 32" 1440P VA was no longer satisfactory. I love my FV43U though. Samsung are suffering from the same syndrome that other "leaders" get. Let us kill innovation and put them on a drip diet with underwhelming diminishing Quality. There was a time when Samsung was good because it gave you more for your money but these Displays will be part of the Penis envy that is Youtube reviews.

Why do I want a Streaming PC in my monitor?

What more do you want from Samsung? Like, really? These aren't even anything like a TV. G95NC(57") with its ridiculously high resolution monitor and the the G95SC 49" OLED are completely new products that literally no one else is making. These two monitors are literally the definition of innovation in the PC monitor space, previous products QC issues aside. Sure, before that the G9 Neo 49" was just a new G9 with usable HDR, but I'm really struggling to understand exactly what you want.

 

[Camm]

Its funny, those two monitors are like ships passing in the night, both are tempting, and combined would be something I'd buy, but taken on their own I'm less interested.

The OLED with its more relaxed curvature looks really nice, the Mini LED with its true 4k Ultrawide resolution is exactly what I've been looking for, but the OLED's lower resolution & the Mini LED's stupidly aggressive curve leaves me wanting neither.

I'll also mention that can we please adopt :10 high, horizontal is getting ridiculous, give us a bit of extra height. 24:10 Ultrawides are pretty damn near perfect for productivity, and they are the most common cinematographic aspect ratio. But only LG seems to be giving lip service to that ratio...

 

[konga]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but HDMI 2.1 would need to use DSC in order to achieve that resolution and refresh rates. DisplayPort 2.1 doesn't require any form of compression at this time.

The new DisplayPort 2.1 interface allows for some truly breathtaking data transfer speeds. It supports 4K at 480Hz, 8K at 165Hz, and 1440p at 900Hz. - Extremetech.com

HDMI 2.1 - 48 Gbps
DisplayPort 2.1 - 80 Gbps

DP 2.1 has three bandwidth specs, UHBR 10, 13.5, and 20, which equates to 40 Gbps, 54 Gbps, and 80 Gbps respectively. AMD only supports up to UHBR 13.5, which means it will also require DSC to drive the monitor at its max refresh rate.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Local Dimming Zones - You're not ready for OLED?

Sure but I'm not ready for $4K price tags!

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Sure but I'm not ready for $4K price tags!

You are in the PC master race market, that means $$$$$ if it wasn't $$$$$ it wouldn't be worth being in the market. Put up the cash, or shut up.

 

[erek]

I simply notice that it's not as crisp as on 27". Like, after using everything with super-high PPIs daily for a few years - phone, ipad, monitors, etc, I can't go back to lower, my eyes see the blurriness, haha.

So is 27 inch the sweet spot for 4K or should the size be even smaller for crispy?

 

[kapone32]

So is 27 inch the sweet spot for 4K or should the size be even smaller for crispy?

For me the sweet spot for 4K is 32".

 

[Minus Infinity]

You are in the PC master race market, that means $$$$$ if it wasn't $$$$$ it wouldn't be worth being in the market. Put up the cash, or shut up.

Thanks fore those pearls of wisdom. I'll stick to the bargain basement $2K price range thanks being a pleb and all.

 

[kapone32]

Thanks fore those pearls of wisdom. I'll stick to the bargain basement $2K price range thanks being a pleb and all.

You don't have to spend big to be a member just spend smart. The Gigabyte FV43U is an excellent Monitor and is regularly as cheap as $799 Canadian. I fear we will have to pay for DP 2.1 but 4K 144Hz on DP 1.4 is already difficult to saturate.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Samsung didn't get the memo

People want FLAT 27 and 32 inches 4k 120Hz OLED, just make it happen and profit.

Which people?? All the "people" I know cannot go back to standard flat 16:9 monitors after they bought the (slightly) curved 34" or 38" 21:9 monitors.
You just cannot get better experience with any other kind of monitors.

 

[Guwapo77]

DP 2.1 has three bandwidth specs, UHBR 10, 13.5, and 20, which equates to 40 Gbps, 54 Gbps, and 80 Gbps respectively. AMD only supports up to UHBR 13.5, which means it will also require DSC to drive the monitor at its max refresh rate.

Digging more into this crap, it looks like you may be right regarding using compression. I thought AMD would be using the full 80 which they aren't (not like their GPU could fill the bandwidth anyways). I no longer see what all the fuss was about.

 

[trsttte]

Wow, I know everyone will prefer the qd-oled, but the Neo G9 with dual 4k and mini led is looking VERY interesting to me. No burn in, no "weird" format, just 2 great 4k displays without a bezel in the middle (yeah, no way in hell I'd be able to run that resolution any time soon, I'd just the game in half the monitor or as 21:9 and use the other part for whatever).

What? You don't want to feed telemetry to Samsung's advertising partners? Why? /s

The tiniest, most remote excuse I could see, is for people who have 100% FOSS Linux Desktop, 100% FOSS Linux Phone, etc but somehow still want Netflix, Disney+, etc in 4k. And they don't want to buy something like a Roku, Chromecast, or Apple TV, but instead want all of that junk integrated into their monitor.

I'd like to meet that "100% foss" guy who'd prefer this junk on his monitor instead of using something like an ADT-3 or "x86 on stick" with an official image/windows running official app or whatever.

Viewfinity is probably using the same LG IPS panel as the Ultrafine 5k and the Apple Studio Display.

I hope not, that would be just sad. Apple was allegedly in talks to start sourcing panels for monitors/iMacs from Samsung, this might be based on that.

What video card is going to run a game at the native

One popular way of using this 32:9 is as dual monitors without bezels. Being dual 4k displays (and 55'' which might give a more resonable vertical unlike the previous 49' imo) will make this pretty interesting.

 

[AsRock]

Samsung didn't get the memo

People want FLAT 27 and 32 inches 4k 120Hz OLED, just make it happen and profit.

Noo, they want to add crap like apps to it, i would not be surprised if they can update though the display cable too and actually have the ability to control the monitor\TV.

 

[Pgeorge011]

Why would one need AMD DP 2.1 to support this? AMD's DP 2.1 only support UHBR 13.5, which isn't enough for 7680x2160 @ 240Hz (roughly ~120Gbps necessary for that, at 10bit, ~100Gbps for 8 bit).

UHBR 13.5 -> ~54Gbps.
HDMI 2.1 @ max config -> ~48Gbps


Either one would need DSC to support that resolution and refresh rate.

Why it supports only uhbr 13.5 aren't they making uhbr 20 cables as well?

 

[konga]

Why it supports only uhbr 13.5 aren't they making uhbr 20 cables as well?

AMD chose to only support 13.5 on a hardware level. Why? Dunno, ask them.

UHBR 20 signal integrity is very challenging though. Copper cables can only be a meter long at most unless you build in repeaters and such, which could get very expensive. Optical cables can be longer, but they're more fragile and again, very expensive. Perhaps supporting proper UHBR 20 ports on devices is expensive too for some reason. AMD wanted the promotional benefits of supporting the newest DisplayPort version without actually going through the effort and expense of supporting the fastest spec. And they seem to have successfully duped a lot of people.

I hope not, that would be just sad. Apple was allegedly in talks to start sourcing panels for monitors/iMacs from Samsung, this might be based on that.

That will most likely be whatever high-DPI QD-OLED panel Samsung is currently cooking up using the new manufacturing techniques I alluded to earlier in the thread. This new Viewfinity monitor is something different. Samsung doesn't manufacture IPS panels anymore.

 

[andreiga76]

This is what PC gamers wanted, 8k monitors with 4x more required bandwidth than 4k to bring graphics cards to 30fps console levels.