AMD Expands Desktop Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Processor Family with 65W Models

[trparky]

Why? You think it's impossible?

Because I've long realized that these companies are not your friend. They are a business; they will say whatever they have to to make money.
--
A Card Carrying Cynical Bastard

 

[PenguinBelly]

At least Intel pricing for affordable boards, 100-150 USD/€?

I have yet to see an Intel DDR5 board in that price range. Please inform me.

Plus, B660 boards and H670 boards are not adequate for higher-end skus. That leaves Z690 and Z790 boards for 13700/13900, which are either the same price as AM5 or even more expensive.

 

[excitedbox]

Couldn't agree more, but still no affordable motherboards on the horizon.

Btw this 7600 non-x clocks higher than 7800X3D... .

OMG have you heard the 64core EPYC is clocked even lower. LOL more cores ALWAYS means less speed but overall more performance. Same reason that a single core speed is always higher than multicore, you lose some speed when you add more cores. Not only is the 7800X3D adding cores, but also memory. This makes increases CPU energy consumption and means you have to decrease the speed slightly for overall higher performance. Look at any benchmark records. The highest core cpus get the highest scores, but the fastest overclock speed is always reached by the CPUs with lower core counts. That is not a choice by AMD, but a limit of physics. Unless they were to drop the speed of the lower core count CPU, just so amateurs like you don't feel cheated when they see that the most expensive chip has the lowest clock speed.

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I have yet to see an Intel DDR5 board in that price range. Please inform me.

Plus, B660 boards and H670 boards are not adequate for higher-end skus. That leaves Z690 and Z790 boards for 13700/13900, which are either the same price as AM5 or even more expensive.

There are AM5 boards in the $150 price range. Intel has always been the more expensive company but fanboys will always make stupid arguments to feed their narrative. Just like his complaint about the lower core count chip having the higher clock speed, which is an energy density limitation not AMD choice. Just before Christmas new Egg had 12 motherboards priced between $129-160. They just removed the $20-40 discounts so now they are priced $150-200. That is just one retailer though and with some minor shopping around you will find plenty of options.

 

[docnorth]

I have yet to see an Intel DDR5 board in that price range. Please inform me.

Plus, B660 boards and H670 boards are not adequate for higher-end skus. That leaves Z690 and Z790 boards for 13700/13900, which are either the same price as AM5 or even more expensive.

I think we’re talking about 7600 non-x, which is in the 12400 and 13400 range. Btw a MSI B660m-a DDR5 board sells for less than 173€ in my country, US prices are almost always lower.

OMG have you heard the 64core EPYC is clocked even lower. LOL more cores ALWAYS means less speed but overall more performance. Same reason that a single core speed is always higher than multicore, you lose some speed when you add more cores. Not only is the 7800X3D adding cores, but also memory. This makes increases CPU energy consumption and means you have to decrease the speed slightly for overall higher performance. Look at any benchmark records. The highest core cpus get the highest scores, but the fastest overclock speed is always reached by the CPUs with lower core counts. That is not a choice by AMD, but a limit of physics. Unless they were to drop the speed of the lower core count CPU, just so amateurs like you don't feel cheated when they see that the most expensive chip has the lowest clock speed.

The comparison between 7600x and 7800x busts your ‘arguments’. And the next time you disagree with someone, look first in the mirror before using insults as arguments.

Lisa Su had one sentence in which she said entry level AM5 motherboards are coming. For how much and when? Who knows.
Btw AM5 mbs can't be as cheap as Intel's because of the strict TDP requirements, the cheapest needs to be capable of running the best AM5 CPUs and that needs pretty capable vrms while on the Intel side you can forget i9s and even i7s in a cheap mb (without throttling at least).

But why should all boards be capable of running the best AMD (or Intel) CPUs? 7600 looks like an excellent relatively affordable (and hopefully cooler) CPU, but the MB pricing minimizes this advantage, at least for now.

 

[trparky]

OK, I'm confused. In the slides it mentions that these new chips are available on January 10th yet on AMD's own web site, it says that they launch on January 14th. Why the discrepency?

 

[Leavenfish]

Z790 boards are great for higher end builds but not so much for budget to mid level builds. Luckily Intel has the DDR4 / DDR5 B660 and B760 boards to choose from. It's all about how much someone is willing to spend.

And when someone is buying a completely new rig...with parts that will be good and upgradable for years to come...a couple hundred bucks is not likely to be an issue.