Intel Core "Meteor Lake" On Course for 2H-2023 Launch

[btarunr]

Intel in its Q4-2022 Financial release call reiterated that its Core "Meteor Lake" processor remains on course for a 2H-2023 launch. The company slide does not mention the client form-factor the architecture targets, and there are still rumors of a "Raptor Lake Refresh" desktop processor lineup for 2H, which would mean that "Meteor Lake" will debut as a high-performance mobile processor architecture attempting to dominate the 7 W, 15 W, 28 W, and 35 W device market-segments, with its 6P+16E CPU that introduce IPC increases on both the P-cores and E-cores; and a powerful new iGPU. The slide also mentions that its succeeding "Lunar Lake" architecture is on course for 2024.

"Meteor Lake" is Intel's first chiplet-based MCM processor, in which the key components of the processor are built on various silicon fabrication nodes, based on their need for such a cutting-edge node; such that the cost-optimization upholds the economic aspect of Moore's Law. The compute tile, the die that has the CPU cores, features a 6P+16E setup, with six "Redwood Cove" P-cores, and sixteen "Crestmont" E-cores. At this point it's not known if "Crestmont" cores are arranged in clusters of 4 cores, each. The graphics tile features a powerful iGPU based on the newer Xe-LPG graphics architecture that meets full DirectX 12 Ultimate feature-set. The processor's I/O is expected to support even faster DDR5/LPDDR5 memory speeds, and feature PCIe Gen 5.



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[Daven]

This would be surprising if they can pull ML into this year even as a mobile product. With the layoffs coming and constant division restructuring I’m skeptical but maybe Intel has some fight left in the company’s executives.

Nah, this is just trying to entice investors with powerpointry and an avalanche of internal code names.

 

[Dimitriman]

What was the point of Raptor Lake then? Is intel trying to win by occupying more and more shelf space in shops?

 

[Ravenmaster]

Meteor lake for a laptop maybe. But nobody is gonna drop back to just 6 P cores for gaming on a desktop

 

[Tomorrow]

Meteor lake for a laptop maybe. But nobody is gonna drop back to just 6 P cores for gaming on a desktop

Yep MTL goes back to 6 P-Cores. Remember when people said MTL would be out in the first months of 2023 and Zen 4 would be destroyed?

So much for that. 2023 is going to be a very rough year for Intel and Zen 4 X3D, Genoa-X, Bergamo, Siena, Zen 4 Threadripper, Zen 4 APU's and MI300 have not even launched yet.

Intel already tapped out RPL against Zen 4. Even if the supposed RPL refresh arrives this year it will not overtake Zen 4 X3D in gaming.
Same in the Servers with SPR where it might make sense in some niche use cases but Genoa already destroys in in terms of TCO and performance in general workloads and this is before the onslaught of 1GB+ L3 cache infused Genoa-X, the 128c/256t Bergamo and cheap Siena for servers arrive this year.

Intel might have some RPL based workstation chip at 30-40 cores but AMD will quickly destroy that with 96 core Zen 4 TR.
Zen 4 APU's and A620 boards for lower cost machines will make life hard for 13100 etc and Intel's vaporware Ponte Vecchio has nothing against MI300.

 

[pressing on]

Intel already tapped out RPL against Zen 4. Even if the supposed RPL refresh arrives this year it will not overtake Zen 4 X3D in gaming.

There was no mention of any Raptor Lake refresh by Intel in its January 26 presentation. So Zen4 X3D's competitor is more likely to be Meteor Lake. Meteor Lake will be on a better node than Raptor Lake, Intel 4. In addition Meteor Lake marks the end of Intel's monolithic CPUs on the desktop and the first of its disaggregated CPUs - basically it's tiles similar to AMD's chiplet technology but on a silicon interconnector rather than a substrate. It does give Intel options that only AMD has had until now - for example Intel are talking about Meteor Lake GPU tiles that might put them on parity with Zen 4 APUs if and when they arrive.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Paper launch and physical sales late Q4 at best. The hype is strong with this one. Gelsinger is a snake oil salesman.

 

[pressing on]

Paper launch and physical sales late Q4 at best. The hype is strong with this one. Gelsinger is a snake oil salesman.

Yes, possibly. Intel say "...Meteor Lake ramp expected in the second half of 2023..." so it could be that late. But bearing in mind that 12th Gen/13th Gen K series CPUs were both launched around September/October that would fit as a potential time for an initial 14th Gen Meteor Lake release.

 

[TechLurker]

What was the point of Raptor Lake then? Is intel trying to win by occupying more and more shelf space in shops?

That's how Nabisco tries to combat any non-Nabisco product from being sold, deliberately over-supplying more cookies and crackers and taking up so much more shelf-space than necessary. They've done this to Hydrox (the original cookies with creme filling) both back in the day and in the current day, and with other imitators (whose products might be healthier but provide a similar or better taste).

It's much harder to flood an online shop though, but economies of scale do permit them to still have more in stock than competitors (both Intel and Nabisco).

 

[Minus Infinity]

Meteor lake for a laptop maybe. But nobody is gonna drop back to just 6 P cores for gaming on a desktop

Its basically confirmed no desktop ML. They are having so many problems with new node and the FPGA susbstrate and chiplet design, Arrow Lake will be the first desktop part. It will be on a much better 7nm node version too. This is why rumours of Raptor Lake+ are abounding. With no ML desktop, they need something to soldier on another 12-18 months. If there not careful RL+ and ML will be up against Zen 5 before Arrow Lake drops.

 

[Luke357]

That's how Nabisco tries to combat any non-Nabisco product from being sold, deliberately over-supplying more cookies and crackers and taking up so much more shelf-space than necessary. They've done this to Hydrox (the original cookies with creme filling) both back in the day and in the current day, and with other imitators (whose products might be healthier but provide a similar or better taste).

It's much harder to flood an online shop though, but economies of scale do permit them to still have more in stock than competitors (both Intel and Nabisco).

But the saltines are :chefskiss: