AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Runs First Benchmarks

[Vya Domus]

Kind of what to be expected I guess, one CCD effectively runs at a much lower clock speed compared to the other one. I don't really get the appeal of these higher core count V-cache CPUs, they don't really serve a purpose, the gaming performance will probably be almost the same compared to the 8 core part but the multi core performance is going to be lower than the non V-cache models, very strange products.

 

[Godrilla]

The only benchmarks that matter with these types of processors is gaming. These CPUs are engineered to excel in that area.

The leaked benchmarks are painting a picture although significant performance delta is still about 95% of the non-3D cpus. The delta gained in gaming and rate limiting step of proper scheduling is equally important in the R9 Zen 4 3d cpus. Like a Pavlov experiment gamers will be triggered a whole month and a half before the 7800X3D cpus come out.

 

[kapone32]

A lot of people are trying to through their uncouncius bais justify professionals that " casually game" pay hundreds of dollars more than non 3d cpus because the non 3d cpus will all of a sudden become bad at " casual gaming " keep the hype train alive so that AMD can make off like a bandit in terms of pricing going forward Nvidia style!

Do you know why 7000 series sales were basically stagnant at launch and as soon as the 5800X3D became more affordable it became the number 1 selling chip for AMD. The fact that these chips are coming at the end of the month instead of mid summer is proof to how disrupting the 5800X3D has been. I am an avid AMD user and after I got my 5800X3D the 7000 gave me no interest and I said the same thing many users did that I would wait for the X3D chip before the jump. Now I am looking at MBs.

 

[Godrilla]

Do you know why 7000 series sales were basically stagnant at launch and as soon as the 5800X3D became more affordable it became the number 1 selling chip for AMD. The fact that these chips are coming at the end of the month instead of mid summer is proof to how disrupting the 5800X3D has been. I am an avid AMD user and after I got my 5800X3D the 7000 gave me no interest and I said the same thing many users did that I would wait for the X3D chip before the jump. Now I am looking at MBs.

Nice let me know which mb you go with. I have the strix-I itx x670e. I took a leep of faith with this one and got lucky, although the user reviews for the this one and strix itx b650e mostly complain about long boot times and memory compatibility issues. My strix-i performs ideal luckily with all core ai oc on my 7700x and gsill cl30 32 gigs at 6ghz boots at spec. FYI there is definitely more choices than since black Friday when I bought in. GL!

 

[kapone32]

Nice let me know which mb you go with. I have the strix-I itx x670e. I took a leep of faith with this one and got lucky, although the user reviews for the this one and strix itx b650e mostly complain about long boot times and memory compatibility issues. My strix-i performs ideal luckily with all core ai oc on my 7700x and gsill cl30 32 gigs at 6ghz boots at spec. FYI there is definitely more choices than since black Friday when I bought in. GL!

I currently have 3 choices:

1. Asus X670E Strix : If I want separation with my marriage
2. Asus B650E Strix : If I want my family to continue
3. MSI X670E Ace Max: If I want a full blown divorce.

Hopefully the costs will keep coming down though as the cheapest of those boards is $500 Canadian and the Ace Max is a cool $999 Canadian.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Really the X3D stuff is not interesting for the PC. Which is not primarily a gaming device. This will be much more interesting on next generation consoles which are true gaming devices. This really seems more like a sell to MS and Sony than anything else.

 

[Hxx]

X3D chips being slower in benchmarks like that isn't news...

I have a 5800X3D and in Cinebench R23 it's score is in the high 14xxx (nearly 15xxx) - my 5800X would get scores into the low 16xxx.
But in games (especially world of warcraft) the FPS gain was big, like, 30-60fps depending on situation/scenario.

30-60fps bump from a cpu upgrade is crazy. Like how is that even possible ? Is it just wow being a one off ? I thought the x3d improvements are like single digit percentages unless 30fps is a single digit percentage improvement in wow lol

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

30-60fps bump from a cpu upgrade is crazy. Like how is that even possible ? Is it just wow being a one off ? I thought the x3d improvements are like single digit percentages unless 30fps is a single digit percentage improvement in wow lol

Quite a few games are cache limited but then others have near 0 impact.

For example Far Cry 5 went from 144FPS to 198, Borderlands 3 from 98FPS to 138 yet Cyberpunk went from 116.8 to 117.2FPS

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review - The Magic of 3D V-Cache

The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D is the company's new flagship gaming processor. It introduces 3D V-Cache, a dedicated piece of silicon with additional L3 capacity. In our review, we're testing how much the larger cache can help intensive gaming workloads and applications and compare it to the Intel Core...

www.techpowerup.com

I would suspect with a 4090ti and 7xxx series AMD there would be more games that will take benefit and next gen cards as well but it isnt a magic bullet in all cases.

You can see from Hardware Unboxed that the extra cache is actually quite important in a lot of games but there are still quite a few games where the better IPC cores rule. Now what would be a better representation is a Comparison of a 5800x vs 5800x3d vs 7700x similar to how Hardware unboxed did their review.

5800X3D is a very good chip for people to get now that there has been price cuts to the chip since AM5s release.
AM5 is still relatively overpriced for its benefits over AM4 and unless you have money to burn or arent already on the AM4 platform which seems to be quite a lot of people you see in comments. Most people who are already on an AM4 platform and it makes perfect sense.
For anyone else who is looking to build now or I would say in the previous 2-3 months it would be better to go for AM5 just because you have longevity (hopefully) with the 7xxxX3Ds and future processors even with the extra cost taken into account especially with the non x parts being relatively cheap.

 

[Fierce Guppy]

I'm only interested in this CPU for its game performance. My mate has already build a PC to house this chip, but I'll wait for the reviews. If it performs better than the flagship 13th gen Intel then this will be my first AMD CPU. So far It's all been intel CPUs and Asus mobos since 1998.

 

[freeagent]

As an X3D owner, I wont be getting one of these. The way the chips are neutered just for some extra frames is not worth it to me. X3D is what separates Gamers from everyone else now I guess.. like we don't have enough division in our world already

Chips should be able to do everything well..

 

[Godrilla]

I'm only interested in this CPU for its game performance. My mate has already build a PC to house this chip, but I'll wait for the reviews. If it performs better than the flagship 13th gen Intel then this will be my first AMD CPU. So far It's all been intel CPUs and Asus mobos since 1998.

Intel users can always bust out the 10 ghz ram kits to stay competitive .

 

[Fierce Guppy]

Intel users can always bust out the 10 ghz ram kits to stay competitive .

I'll take that into consideration. My Haswell i7-5960X which is rated at 3.5GHz turbo has lasted over 8 years at 4.4GHz. Longevity is important.

 

[rv8000]

Kind of what to be expected I guess, one CCD effectively runs at a much lower clock speed compared to the other one. I don't really get the appeal of these higher core count V-cache CPUs, they don't really serve a purpose, the gaming performance will probably be almost the same compared to the 8 core part but the multi core performance is going to be lower than the non V-cache models, very strange products.

Of course they serve a purpose. For anyone who requires higher thread count they don’t have to sacrifice thread count, lower clocks, and or 3D vcache for choosing single CCD chip.

As long as there aren’t major scheduling issues theses will be the best CPUs I’d you do more than just a single task.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

I have a suspicion that the "hybrid" X3d is to limit the impact onto the Genoa-X market share in the workstation environments. How many games are using more than 8 Cores/16 threads currently? So in most "consumer" based usage a single CCD with 3D cache is more than enough.

Now we start looking at Scientific/Production/Enterprise aspects and the benefits of more than 8 cores with V-Cache can become pretty astounding with previous generation Milan to Milan-X comparison showing benefits from 10-80% depending on software and working sets.

Now lets Say we can build a system for <$2k for a 16 core 32 Thread part with V Cache vs an Equivalent Epyc costing OVER $2k just for the CPU. Add to the fact of the benefit of another 500 - 1Ghz advantage in clock speeds for the "Consumer" Chip? Whats the point for a lot of people to buy Genoa-X in say developer workstations?

 

[Godrilla]

I'll take that into consideration. My Haswell i7-5960X which is rated at 3.5GHz turbo has lasted over 8 years at 4.4GHz. Longevity is important.

I once had a i7 980x at 4.3 ghz all core oc that lasted 10 years and was able to play metro exodus at extreme settings at 3440 by 1440p no rt with 1080ti ftw3 at 60 fps. The best way to make a cpu last almost a decade like in my case is upgrade the resolution. Unfortunately 8k gaming is no where near from grasp due to stagnation of display technology and slow adaptation of dp 2.X standards. Even without upgrading your monitor resolution there is always downscaling from a higher resolution to a lower resolution to further improve image quality and keep yourself gpu bound longer like in dsr, dldsr, nvidia's dlaa ai anti aliasing and AMD's virtual super resolution. As GPUs become more powerful I believe these downscaling techniques will become more popular especially if there is performance on the table.

 

[HD64G]

So, the 7950X3D will have more than 90% the performance of the non-3D 7950X in MT apps while using 70% of its power draw. And smash everything in games. I will not get such an expensive CPU ever but for those that can do so, it will be performing well for years to come with any top-tier GPU. My 5c.

 

[kapone32]

As an X3D owner, I wont be getting one of these. The way the chips are neutered just for some extra frames is not worth it to me. X3D is what separates Gamers from everyone else now I guess.. like we don't have enough division in our world already

Chips should be able to do everything well..

It's not like they suck at productivity, just not as good.

For anyone on the fence, imagine if your 5800X3D had 4 to 8 more cores and a 1 GHZ higher base clock?

 

[freeagent]

It's not like they suck at productivity, just not as good.

Compared to my 5900X it does. It’s noticeably slower at just about everything. And I don’t play at 1080p and screen is only 60Hz so for me the only good thing about it is that I can run it semi passively.


Edit:

Dont get me wrong, I do enjoy my X3D, but I also enjoy my 5900X. The X3D is great for games, and I do notice a difference..

 

[kapone32]

Compared to my 5900X it does. It’s noticeably slower at just about everything. And I don’t play at 1080p and screen is only 60Hz so for me the only good thing about it is that I can run it semi passively.


Edit:

Dont get me wrong, I do enjoy my X3D, but I also enjoy my 5900X. The X3D is great for games, and I do notice a difference..

I understand that sentiment I had a 5950X before I got my 5800X3D. That is why I am looking forward to the 7000 series X3D chips as they should be much faster than any 5000 series chip.

 

[freeagent]

I understand that sentiment I had a 5950X before I got my 5800X3D. That is why I am looking forward to the 7000 series X3D chips as they should be much faster than any 5000 series chip.

Yeah I am probably being a bit harsh. We will wait and see what it can do. I have a feeling I might be going back to Intel for my next build.. we shall see.

 

[Godrilla]

So, the 7950X3D will have more than 90% the performance of the non-3D 7950X in MT apps while using 70% of its power draw. And smash everything in games. I will not get such an expensive CPU ever but for those that can do so, it will be performing well for years to come with any top-tier GPU. My 5c.

The delta uplift from gpu succesion is more than 60 to 70% eg rtx 3090 to 4090 vs the uplift delta from cpu uplift are at best 25% generationaly ( both atypical numbers). The silver lining is that the 4090 successor will probably come in Septemberish 2024; which will likely have a zen 5 3d cpu in the market by then. Also the am5 platform fingers crossed will likely have a zen 6 3d upgrade path. At least this is why I went with team Red this time around instead of team Blue. ( Not to experience an annual dose of buyers remorse).
I invested in a 6 core 12 threads extreme processor i7 980x at 4.3 ghz in 2010 it took PC game development more than half a decade to eventually code for 6 cores and even now we still have AAA games coming out that only use 2 cores. Also Techpowerup's own 7600x vs 7700x shows o significant gains in gaming with a few outliers. The 4090 also bottlenecks the 5950x and 5800X3D thus I am expecting a similar bottleneck with the 7950X3D and 7800X3D with 4090 successor. How much longer will PC gaming use the brute force approach before we get support for more than 8 cores/16 threads processors?
update probably ps5pro/ ps6 ports.

 

[mechtech]

For Intel it’s clocks over cores! The 13900K is THE BEST CPU on the market today. It’s funny how this article only tested the creativity benchmarks and not gaming benchmarks which matter to the vast majority of PC gamers.

Hmmm so bestter than every server, sparc, etc. CPU?? The absolute BEST CPU on the entire planet right now at this instant in time???

Or did you mean something different? Like fastest x86-x64 desktop cpu??

Yeah I am probably being a bit harsh. We will wait and see what it can do. I have a feeling I might be going back to Intel for my next build.. we shall see.

My next build will be at least 6 years down the road....................see what happens then, maybe it could be a RISC/SPARC or ARM CPU

 

[A Computer Guy]

I currently have 3 choices:

1. Asus X670E Strix : If I want separation with my marriage
2. Asus B650E Strix : If I want my family to continue
3. MSI X670E Ace Max: If I want a full blown divorce.

Hopefully the costs will keep coming down though as the cheapest of those boards is $500 Canadian and the Ace Max is a cool $999 Canadian.

So your considering taking option #1 I guess since separation can also lead to reconciliation? Is the risk worth the reward? Will the passion be stronger after the reconciliation?

AMD really should get the ball rolling with productivity software makers to try and take advantage of these larger caches.
Imagine

• 7zip or Handbrake being 2000% faster
• Virus scan taking only 5 seconds instead of 10 minutes.
• Microsoft Flight Simulator going on space missions.
• etc....

I'm still waiting for ECC support before buying into this new platform.

 

[katzi]

@m2geek ,
I too have a 5800X and (also) mainly play World of WarCraft ... What you mentioned here is very important to me, as I was reluctant to upgrade to a 5800X3D
From your experience as a 5800X3D owner/user, what are it's other pros and cons (regarding Gaming / Productivity / etc)?
Thanks

Heya!
I haven't had any Cons as such moving to the 3DX - but the Pros in games speak for themselves, plus it runs cooler in most takes.. Depending on what your GPU is in raids, bgs, and world bosses fights, my FPS never drops below 80fps now - and that's with raytracing turned on with the graphics set to level 8 at 1440p - I'm putting that 3080 to work lol.

 

[sLowEnd]

So basicly good only for those games that benafit the extra cache.
You can also say it is a bad preforming CPU that cost more except in games that benafit the extra cache.
There is a very limited market that will pay the extra $ upon the allready extra $$ that ZEN4 demend.

'Worse' performing, not 'bad' performing. These chips will still be faster than most consumer CPUs in most tasks.