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AMD GPU Sales Not That Far Behind NVIDIA's in Revenue Terms

Revenue don't tell you how much they are actually earning in profit. While AMD's GPU revenue is very close, I don't think their margin is that good. All consoles, barring Nintendo Switch, uses some form of AMD GPU. Even the Steam Deck runs on AMD GPU, along with other "handheld PC" type of consoles. So AMD is probably shipping a lot more GPUs than what their revenue suggests.
That doesn't matter much. AMD's weakness right now is AI/ML. That market is about to take off (if it hasn't already) and while AMD may be able to sell some hardware accelerators, they are pretty much non-existent in the software end of that business.
 
Interesting way to word it. AMD is closer on gaming revenue not because AMD is gaining serious ground, but because Nvidia gaming sector has seen almost a 50% decrease in revenue.

Id guess took a huge hit on sales for mining. So maybe what we are seeing is real gaming revenue now, which isn't much higher than AMD.
 
To my eye, this just looks like the reason Intel wants dGPU business so bad. They can either steal from AMD forever or start stealing from Nvidia, too. Meanwhile, Nvidia's basically given up on the CPU space except in AI terms.
 
All this does is prove that the Steam Survey is 100% irrelevant BS.
 
Revenue don't tell you how much they are actually earning in profit. While AMD's GPU revenue is very close, I don't think their margin is that good. All consoles, barring Nintendo Switch, uses some form of AMD GPU. Even the Steam Deck runs on AMD GPU, along with other "handheld PC" type of consoles. So AMD is probably shipping a lot more GPUs than what their revenue suggests.
Too add more to this .Their margin in selling their embedded CPU's GPU's are by contract at a set price to major corporations as a lower rate. They do NOT make as much money per chip than on what they can make on Desktop.

The positive side of this is that they know that they have X millions of dollar of revenue every year as per their contracts to other corporations.
 
But how much is purely discrete GPU revenue. Xbox and Playstation would be a huge chunk of that AMD revenue. Not sure how much a Switch sells for but I would expect it to contribute a lot less to Nividia's bottom line. Still who knows?
 
Last I checked nvidia includes the switch in its gaming revenue, but none of this information is useful until we see both companies console vs dgpu sales and margins
 
Long story short... you don't need to feel sorry for AMD, they are doing okay.
 
Nvidia's basically given up on the CPU space except in AI terms.
They did not give up. There were forced to give up. They were not allowed to buy ARM, as every government that denied them the purchase knew about their predatory monopolistic practices.
 
Its one response per Steam account. Maybe poll is a bad choice of words. Steam accesses your system info remotely and downloads the specs. Then they ask certain questions after that such as do you have a mic, what is your internet speed and I think do you have a VR set, which one.
That's not true. It has asked me twice in the same day, same machine, one windows the other linux before.
 
Why? It's not like their gpus are any better value. In fact msrp prices - they are usually worse
I have a 16GB card that cost me $600 half a year ago. The cheapest 16GB card from Nvidia right now on Newegg is a $1,200 4060 labeled as a "4080". I have three games and one program that easily max out GPU RAM. So please divulge how, especially since it's Nvidia hates MSRP, how they somehow provide a better value?

Oh and watch this first before bothering to reply:
 
I have a 16GB card that cost me $600 half a year ago. The cheapest 16GB card from Nvidia right now on Newegg is a $1,200 4060 labeled as a "4080". I have three games and one program that easily max out GPU RAM. So please divulge how, especially since it's Nvidia hates MSRP, how they somehow provide a better value?

Oh and watch this first before bothering to reply:
Who cares about how many gbs your card has? I have a 48gb 5 year old card that can't play games even if it's life depended on it.

What I care about is performance, specs like amount of cores, amount of ram etcetera is absolutely useless to me. I don't pay for specs, I pay for performance. Your 16gb amd card is incredibly slow - to the point of it being unusable in rt games. It could have 1TB of vram and it would still wouldn't make a difference.
 
Who cares about how many gbs your card has? I have a 48gb 5 year old card that can't play games even if it's life depended on it.

What I care about is performance, specs like amount of cores, amount of ram etcetera is absolutely useless to me. I don't pay for specs, I pay for performance. Your 16gb amd card is incredibly slow - to the point of it being unusable in rt games. It could have 1TB of vram and it would still wouldn't make a difference.
What I care about is getting the job done. Performance? Maybe not as much as a 4090 but it is getting the job done a hell of a lot better than my cast card and doing everything I need and want. The difference is that the only thing you're using your card for is video games. I'm using mine to create jobs and put food on people's tables. So if you care about performance to the point of blindly giving Nvidia money in any context then, presuming that is your money, go ahead and vote against competition and against lower prices for everyone because in your world that is what is important to you.
 
What I care about is getting the job done. Performance? Maybe not as much as a 4090 but it is getting the job done a hell of a lot better than my cast card and doing everything I need and want. The difference is that the only thing you're using your card for is video games. I'm using mine to create jobs and put food on people's tables. So if you care about performance to the point of blindly giving Nvidia money in any context then, presuming that is your money, go ahead and vote against competition and against lower prices for everyone because in your world that is what is important to you.
So nvidia cards don't get the job done? WTF are you talking about? Especially for productivity, the cuda cores are hands down way better than amd's cards for 99.9% of workloads. So, ill ask again, wtf are you talking about? You are the one voting against competition by buying a card that has less performance but more meaningless specs.
 
I don't pay for specs, I pay for performance.
This is nonsense. You can't have good performance without good specs and hardware.

You might not be interested in the number of cores, but you still want those cores to do the job, and fast. So, you are interested in the specs and you do pay for specs, otherwise you can't have the level of performance you need.

Who cares about how many gbs your card has?
He does, because he plays specific games that use a lot of VRAM. And therefore, whatever card he bought that is cheaper and provides features he needs is a better value. It is that simple.

We know that Nvidia has been pathetic on the amount of VRAM on several classes of GPUs in recent years. For example, 3080 10GB was and still is an absurdly low amount of VRAM on high-end and expensive card.

But how much is purely discrete GPU revenue. Xbox and Playstation would be a huge chunk of that AMD revenue. Not sure how much a Switch sells for but I would expect it to contribute a lot less to Nividia's bottom line. Still who knows?
Watch new video on Moore's Law Is Dead youtube channel to find answers to your questions. Tom's got almost all figures and breakdown.
 
This is nonsense. You can't have good performance without good specs and hardware.

You might not be interested in the number of cores, but you still want those cores to do the job, and fast. So, you are interested in the specs and you do pay for specs, otherwise you can't have the level of performance you need.


He does, because he plays specific games that use a lot of VRAM. And therefore, whatever card he bought that is cheaper and provides features he needs is a better value. It is that simple.

We know that Nvidia has been pathetic on the amount of VRAM on several classes of GPUs in recent years. For example, 3080 10GB was and still is an absurdly low amount of VRAM on high-end and expensive card.
If specs translate to performance then that's my point, there is no reason to be checking the specs, just check the performance. I did, and I found the amd cards wanting cause of the atrocious RT performance, terrible up scaling capabilities, and the lack of cuda cores makes it also terrible for productivity.

We know AMD has been pathetic on the amount Of RT performance on several classes of gpus in recent years. For example, the 6800xt was and still is absurdly slow in RT for a high end expensive card.
 
Interesting way to word it. AMD is closer on gaming revenue not because AMD is gaining serious ground, but because Nvidia gaming sector has seen almost a 50% decrease in revenue.

Id guess took a huge hit on sales for mining. So maybe what we are seeing is real gaming revenue now, which isn't much higher than AMD.
The other possibility is AMD sucked up a significant portion of the gaming market compared to previous quarters.
 
If specs translate to performance then that's my point, there is no reason to be checking the specs, just check the performance. I did, and I found the amd cards wanting cause of the atrocious RT performance, terrible up scaling capabilities, and the lack of cuda cores makes it also terrible for productivity.
You buy a card that suits your needs. If AMD does not suit you, you buy Nvidia or Intel, whatever works best. Your generic criticism sounds quite emotional and loaded with emotive language "terrible", "atrocious", etc. Relax dude. This is not a drama&theatre class.

7000 cards lifted RT performance to a level of Ampere cards, which is quite good on its own. Of course, Ada cards are even better in RT, which is fine for those who need this feature. For those who do not, it's a useless feature they would never look at or even consider, like me. I hope you understand this. Productivity workloads are diverse. Nvidia cards are brilliant for many of those workloads and 7000 cards have improved a lot in content creation, especially in AV1, which is also good.
We know AMD has been pathetic on the amount Of RT performance on several classes of gpus in recent years. For example, the 6800xt was and still is absurdly slow in RT for a high end expensive card.
"We know?" Who is we? You cannot be bashing and berating products if those products do not meet your personal gaming or productivity needs. It's silly and childish to do that. RT performance is just one of features that not everyone needs or cares about. Accept it. 7000 cards are of course not as high in RT performance as Ada cards, but it's quite decent in comparison to previous AMD generations. For those who need this feature. It's definitely not "pathetic", which is another emotive word we do not need here.

I have Sapphire 6800XT and 7900XTX cards. Both are great in pure raster and media content, and meet my needs. I do not use RT and therefore do not need the feature. If I needed it, I would have bought Nvidia card. Simple.

6800XT has 16GB of VRAM and is fantastic card for gaming on 4K/120Hz OLED TV. It is literally on par with 3080, but original 3080 10GB suffers from insufficient VRAM and is not future-proof in that regard. That's why I did not buy Nvidia card. My Flight Simulator used ~15GB of VRAM in 2021 already.

7900XTX with 24GB of VRAM serves me really well in 4K gaming and media creation. It was significantly cheaper than 4080 16GB to buy, it has 8GB more of VRAM and future-proof connectivity with three DisplayPort 2.1 ports, each at 54 Gbps, for new monitors I intend to buy later this year. It's a perfect card for my needs and I would highly recommend it to anyone who needs a high-end product without paying more than ~$/€1000.

Please accept a basic fact that different cards meet different needs of their users. That's all to it.

Interesting way to word it. AMD is closer on gaming revenue not because AMD is gaining serious ground, but because Nvidia gaming sector has seen almost a 50% decrease in revenue.

Id guess took a huge hit on sales for mining.
No. They genuinely did not sell cards to ordinary folks. Miners have moved to ASICs. GPUs are not as profitable for them anymore. There has been a multi-million GPU flood on secondary market last year and people bought tones of GPUs, e.g used 3090 for $750 on ebay.

Official Nvidia documents show that they have more than $5 billion in inventory in stock, which suggests a huge amount of unsold GPUs that they do not want to release on the market in bigger numbers and lower price. Which means that people showed a middle finger to high prices of cards and did not buy them.
 
"We know?" Who is we? You cannot be bashing and berating products if those products do not meet your personal gaming or productivity needs. It's silly and childish to do that. RT performance is just one of features that not everyone needs or cares about. Accept it. 7000 cards are of course not as high in RT performance as Ada cards, but it's quite decent in comparison to previous AMD generations. For those who need this feature. It's definitely not "pathetic", which is another emotive word we do not need here.

I have Sapphire 6800XT and 7900XTX cards. Both are great in pure raster and media content, and meet my needs. I do not use RT and therefore do not need the feature. If I needed it, I would have bought Nvidia card. Simple.

6800XT has 16GB of VRAM and is fantastic card for gaming on 4K/120Hz OLED TV. It is literally on par with 3080, but original 3080 10GB suffers from insufficient VRAM and is not future-proof in that regard. That's why I did not buy Nvidia card. My Flight Simulator used ~15GB of VRAM in 2021 already.

7900XTX with 24GB of VRAM serves me really well in 4K gaming and media creation. It was significantly cheaper than 4080 16GB to buy, it has 8GB more of VRAM and future-proof connectivity with three DisplayPort 2.1 ports, each at 54 Gbps, for new monitors I intend to buy later this year. It's a perfect card for my needs and I would highly recommend it to anyone who needs a high-end product without paying more than ~$/€1000.

Please accept a basic fact that different cards meet different needs of their users. That's all to it.
The same we that decided that 10gb on the 3080 is not enough. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I basically copy pasted your entire critique about the 3080 and flipped it around to make you realize how silly your previous post sounded. So indeed, please YOU accept a basic fact, different cards meet different needs. Just because you for whatever reason want a terabyte of vram doesn't mean everyone else does as well.
 
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The same we that decided that 10gb on the 3080 is not enough. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I basically copy pasted your entire critique about the 3080 and flipped it around to make you realize how silly your previous post sounded. So indeed, please YOU accept a basic fact, different cards meet different needs. Just because you for whatever reason want a terabyte of vram doesn't mean everyone else does as well.
Again, who is "we"? I certainly can have my cake and eat it. There was nothing "silly" in what I wrote and there is nothing you can possibly "flip". There is no need to flip anything, as you were not cornered to defend anything. I explained why two cards did not meet my needs and why the other two do. I never said everyone should need or want more VRAM and I never used drama words "pathetic" and "atrocious" in describing why certain cards were not suitable for me.

The good thing about your reply is that your language has improved, a lot. You still have your sarcasm to work on and finetune when to use it.
 
We know that Nvidia has been pathetic on the amount of VRAM on several classes of GPUs in recent years. For example, 3080 10GB was and still is an absurdly low amount of VRAM on high-end and expensive card.

Again, who is "we"? I certainly can have my cake and eat it. There was nothing "silly" in what I wrote and there is nothing you can possibly "flip". There is no need to flip anything, as you were not cornered to defend anything. I explained why two cards did not meet my needs and why the other two do. I never said everyone should need or want more VRAM and I never used drama words "pathetic" and "atrocious" in describing why certain cards were not suitable for me.

The good thing about your reply is that your language has improved, a lot. You still have your sarcasm to work on and finetune when to use it.
It certainly seems like you have the flipping part covered.
 
Again, who is "we"? I certainly can have my cake and eat it. There was nothing "silly" in what I wrote and there is nothing you can possibly "flip". There is no need to flip anything, as you were not cornered to defend anything. I explained why two cards did not meet my needs and why the other two do. I never said everyone should need or want more VRAM and I never used drama words "pathetic" and "atrocious" in describing why certain cards were not suitable for me.

The good thing about your reply is that your language has improved, a lot. You still have your sarcasm to work on and finetune when to use it.
You never used drama words? You called the 3080 pathetic with absurdly low vram.

In fact you said "we know" 3080 has pathetic vram. The same we also know that Amd is atrocious in rt
 
You called the 3080 pathetic with absurdly low vram.
I take back drama words. You are right.
I was more criticising the company for being anti-consumer on vram spec on high-end cards. That was the card I originally intended to buy.
 
I take back drama words. You are right.
I was more criticising the company for being anti-consumer on vram spec on high-end cards. That was the card I originally intended to buy.
Well sure but the same argument can be made in regards to AMD. They are being anti-consumer on RT spec on high end cards, right? Say I bought a 6950xt, top Ultra OCED balls to the wall model, and wanted to play cyberpunk. Ill get a similar experience with the guy that paid 400 euros for a 3060ti. How is that consumer friendly?


The thing is, you always have to make trade offs. Imo, a lower amount of vram for better RT, better upscaling and extra features like FG is totally worth it. For you it might not, but calling nvidia in particular anti consumer cause they don't offer the specific features you want (vram) is just wrong.
 
calling nvidia in particular anti consumer cause they don't offer the specific features you want (vram) is just wrong.
Perhaps. I remember there was an outcry against low memory capacity on 3080. They gradually patched the card with additional 1GB in each new edition. And now they offer 16GB on the same class 4080, which is much better and makes me more hopeful that 5090 might be a card for me if VRAM further evolves and prices are lower.
They are being anti-consumer on RT spec on high end cards, riright?
They either didn't have enough capacity to develop the same feature as fast as Nvidia did and/or decided it's not a priority. I do agree that different cards need not offer the same features, as users' needs are different. Your 6950XT would be perfect for me, but obviously it didn't work for what you intended to achieve.
 
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