Pictures of the Never-Released RTX 4070 Ti Founders Edition, RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition, and RTX 4060 Founders Edition Emerge

[btarunr]

When NVIDIA got around to release the $800 GeForce RTX 4070 Ti "Ada" (originally meant to launch as the RTX 4080 12 GB); an NVIDIA Founders Edition product based on this chip was conspicuous in its absence. A tech enthusiast who goes by "KittyYYuko" on Twitter posted pictures of what they claim to be the never-released RTX 4070 Ti Founders Edition; and upcoming RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 4060. The claim begins to check out as we're shown a picture of a graphics card PCB with the distinct Founders Edition shape, which has an "AD104" ASIC, and a 16-pin 12VHPWR connector, along with 8 memory pads, two of which are unoccupied (matches the 192-bit memory interface of the RTX 4070 Ti).

We are shown two other cards, the RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition, and the RTX 4060 Founders Edition. These are expected to be positioned below the RTX 4070 that the company plans to launch in April. The Founders Edition boards are visibly smaller than even the RTX 3080 Founders Edition, although they stick to the dual-axial flow-through design of that card. "AD106" based graphics cards are expected to have typical graphics power (TGP) values well under the 250 W-mark, for which this cooler looks adequate, considering that the sheet-metal of the heatsink has been pushed to the very edges of the card. The cards could include power adapters that convert no more than two 8-pin PCIe to a 16-pin 12VHPWR with a 300 W power limit.



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[matar]

if they went with 4080 12GB they would have release it but since name change and price drop they scraped it all

 

[tabascosauz]

I think I would have honestly preferred an FE. MSRP would be actually real, and there needs to be smaller 4070 Tis. The new revision of the Eagle is a step in the right direction at 261mm length, but it shouldn't have taken this long.

 

[wolf]

I have no real concerns about the performance targets of these cards, and I can imagine they'll be super power efficient, like most products over the last couple of years, the problem comes with the price.

Also will be interested to see if AMD care to undercut and be competitive, or whether they're happy with the dwindling market share and going for profits per unit sold rather than moving lots of units.

 

[Bwaze]

Also will be interested to see if AMD care to undercut and be competitive, or whether they're happy with the dwindling market share and going for profits per unit sold rather than moving lots of units.

AMD doesn't have much chance to do that. They are constrained by TSMC, where they are competing for orders with Nvidia, Intel, and all the world (Apple...).

And Gaming revenue is down for all now, market leader Nvidia included. So it's a bit logical AMD is focusing on sectors that actually bring them money - servers have brought 42% increase in revenue YoY.

That's why you don't see tons of cheap Ryzens, cheap Radeons - AMD has to prioritize what they'll produce.

 

[watzupken]

AMD doesn't have much chance to do that. They are constrained by TSMC, where they are competing for orders with Nvidia, Intel, and all the world (Apple...).

And Gaming revenue is down for all now, market leader Nvidia included. So it's a bit logical AMD is focusing on sectors that actually bring them money - servers have brought 42% increase in revenue YoY.

That's why you don't see tons of cheap Ryzens, cheap Radeons - AMD has to prioritize what they'll produce.

In recent context, AMD is not constrained by TSMC anymore. In fact, demand for fab is actually declining. Therefore, you may have observed that AMD powered consoles are readily available in retail as compared to 6 months ago for example. I do feel that AMD is not that interested in overtaking Nvidia because clearly Nvidia is in a strong position now, and will take up too much resources to compete. Thus, they are putting their resources into CPUs for both enterprise and retail. After all, CPUs are likely more profitable to begin with.

 

[Bwaze]

In recent context, AMD is not constrained by TSMC anymore. In fact, demand for fab is actually declining. Therefore, you may have observed that AMD powered consoles are readily available in retail as compared to 6 months ago for example.

That is true, but all TSMC customers, AMD included, have scaled back their orders months ago, and again later. And for most items I don't think it's about fear of overstocking, they're protecting the value by artificially creating scarcity - modern high end CPUs, GPUs apparently shouldn't be readily available.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

That is true, but all TSMC customers, AMD included, have scaled back their orders months ago, and again later. And for most items I don't think it's about fear of overstocking, they're protecting the value by artificially creating scarcity - modern high end CPUs, GPUs apparently shouldn't be readily available.

It's not about about artificially creating scarcity. GPUs have always been going up in price not just due to inflation but due to complexity. This is natural and you can't solve it unless you want to loudly complain "I don't want more features, I want worse graphics, but I just want cheaper and better made" at which point OK. But if you want GPU improvements that can be used in gaming, rendering, AI, or anything like that it means you are screaming at the top of your lungs "bring on cloud PC gaming now. please only in the cloud for me.". Which is fine! And good news that's where PC gaming is going and it's going to be the first platform where you pay for gaming as a service and you have different price tiers for your performance level. One for 1080p 60 at medium details. Then the uber tier that costs a good bit more for 4k 120 at ultra details!

We've been speeding up to PC gaming is in the cloud because of price and everytime someone wants better graphics they are stomping on the gas peddle and moving us there faster.

 

[Firedrops]

It's not about about artificially creating scarcity. GPUs have always been going up in price not just due to inflation but due to complexity. This is natural and you can't solve it

There's a difference between a 5-10% rise YoY vs a 50% rise YoY you absolute . Go read literally any earnings reports. Margins are through the roof.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

It's not about about artificially creating scarcity.

I don't understand you, even children are aware that it is an artificially induced shortage.

 

[EmerilLIVE]

There's a difference between a 5-10% rise YoY vs a 50% rise YoY you absolute . Go read literally any earnings reports. Margins are through the roof.

nVidia has performed very well for shareholders. They have done so in part by convincing consumers (us) to spend more & more for new gaming GPU's. Unless your income was already high, with plenty of disposable income, or it has increased at substantially more than the rate of simple inflation, they seem to be telling you to expect less & less, moving down the product stack, or to not buy altogether to stay within your budget. Globally as more & more people become able to afford to be gamers & have any desire to be PC gamers, nVidia doesn't seem to be particularly interested in selling them some new product at any reasonable price point. It seems to me that nVidia are banking on being a bigger & more profitable company by creating products for a shrinking pool of consumers, and historically that has been a bad bet. If your products are more luxurious, or appeal only to more niche, high-end, specialized & less essential industries then in the event of an economic recession your revenues will drop more precipitously than a company which has broader market appeal and/or appeal to more general & essential industries.

 

[Redwoodz]

nVidia has performed very well for shareholders. They have done so in part by convincing consumers (us) to spend more & more for new gaming GPU's. Unless your income was already high, with plenty of disposable income, or it has increased at substantially more than the rate of simple inflation, they seem to be telling you to expect less & less, moving down the product stack, or to not buy altogether to stay within your budget. Globally as more & more people become able to afford to be gamers & have any desire to be PC gamers, nVidia doesn't seem to be particularly interested in selling them some new product at any reasonable price point. It seems to me that nVidia are banking on being a bigger & more profitable company by creating products for a shrinking pool of consumers, and historically that has been a bad bet. If your products are more luxurious, or appeal only to more niche, high-end, specialized & less essential industries then in the event of an economic recession your revenues will drop more precipitously than a company which has broader market appeal and/or appeal to more general & essential industries.

All because he convinced gamers they needed $500 worth of Tensor cores in their 4080.

Nvidia gives not one rats behind about gamers. Where is the outrage about Nvidia withholding stock?