AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Surfaces on SANDRA Database

[btarunr]

AMD's hotly anticipated gaming CPU, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D "Zen 4," which launches early-April, is beginning to show up in online benchmark databases. The 8-core/16-thread processor has 64 MB of 3D Vertical Cache, which takes its L3 cache size up to an impressive 96 MB, and total cache up to 104 MB. The chip is showing up on the SiSoftware SANDRA online database, where it was tested on an MSI MEG X670E Ace motherboard. It obtained a score of 395.07 GOPS, with 527.56 GIPS dhrystone INT, 552.04 GIPS dhrystone long; 316 GFLOP/s whetstone single-precision floating point, and 264.71 GFLOP/s whetstone double-precision floating point.

The score puts it at roughly 37% faster than the Ryzen 7 5800X3D "Zen 3," although it's somewhere between its other 8-core "Zen 4" compatriots, the 7700X and 7700. The 7800X3D, much like its predecessor, is expected to perform either on-par or slightly worse than the 7700X in frequency/IPC dependent "lightweight" tasks, but zoom past in cache-favoring workloads such as gaming. Its predecessor, the 5800X3D, beat the fastest Intel processor of its time, the i9-12900K, so the 7800X3D has its task cut out—to beat the i9-13900K in gaming.



View at TechPowerUp Main Site | Source

 

[Space Lynx]

its dead on arrival. 8000 series is almost here.

Rumor: Next-Generation AMD Ryzen 8000 Desktop Processors: A Surprise Release in 2023?

In an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year....

www.guru3d.com

n an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Probably Phoenix 2 or Rembrandt 3 branding. Zen 5 in 2023 cough BS cough.

 

[Space Lynx]

Probably Phoenix 2 or Rembrandt 3 branding. Zen 5 in 2023 cough BS cough.

ryzen 8000 will still be zen 4 regardless of when it comes out.

 

[LabRat 891]

ryzen 8000 will still be zen 4 regardless of when it comes out.

This.

I'd also bet (a small amount of) money on 'Ryzen 8000series' being a cost-optimized (non-)refresh, (almost) strictly for OEMs and ODMs (like the desktop 4000-series Ryzens were; basically mid-gen mobile silicon on desktop).
IIRC, for whatever reason, "8" series anything seems to (often)
-get relegated to OEMs/ODMs (AMD HD 8000s, nV GTX 800s),
-are shortly-lived (Intel 8th Gen Coffee Lake),
-or, are simply skipped (ATI Radeon 8000s).

Probably some weird marketing-standard that I'm not aware of.

Alternatively, AMD could go all out on the numerology and 'relaunch' Zen4 and RNDA3 together as the RX8 (zoom, zoom, zoom) and Ryzen 8
AMD8 with the 8(Eight) spelled out into a stylized infinity symbol, or something. Heck, just call it AMD Infinity Platform

crap. Now that I'm thinking about it, I think my 2nd take is more likely: -Infinity Cache. -Infinity Fabric... I bet their marketing dept. is salivating at the potential.

 

[freeagent]

AMD releases a new flagship every 6 months lol.. I’m out.. back to blue.

 

[Space Lynx]

AMD releases a new flagship every 6 months lol.. I’m out.. back to blue.

AMD releases a new flagship every 6 months lol.. I’m out.. back to blue.

its mostly likely the gigabyte rep just said something in error they didn't fully understand. it does seem too soon imo.

 

[Bwaze]

its dead on arrival. 8000 series is almost here.

Rumor: Next-Generation AMD Ryzen 8000 Desktop Processors: A Surprise Release in 2023?

In an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year....

www.guru3d.com

n an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year.

It might be a new type of launch, where they will make an announcement and start to hype the processors they will begin to ship in summer 2024. Wouldn't be surprised.


"Its predecessor, the 5800X3D, beat the fastest Intel processor of its time, the i9-12900K, so the 7800X3D has its task cut out—to beat the i9-13900K in gaming."

What are the odds this happening, since the more expensive 7900X3D and 7950X3D can't do that?

 

[Gungar]

It might be a new type of launch, where they will make an announcement and start to hype the processors they will begin to ship in summer 2024. Wouldn't be surprised.


"Its predecessor, the 5800X3D, beat the fastest Intel processor of its time, the i9-12900K, so the 7800X3D has its task cut out—to beat the i9-13900K in gaming."

What are the odds this happening, since the more expensive 7900X3D and 7950X3D can't do that?

We already know that it is faster. 79XX are double CCD that reduce performance in games.

 

[regs]

its dead on arrival. 8000 series is almost here.

Rumor: Next-Generation AMD Ryzen 8000 Desktop Processors: A Surprise Release in 2023?

In an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year....

www.guru3d.com

n an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year.

Almost is still, at least, year away.

 

[Broken Processor]

This was the chip they needed to launch first imo, it will drive sales.

 

[ZoneDymo]

AMD releases a new flagship every 6 months lol.. I’m out.. back to blue.

what logic is that? this seems like a completely emotional argument

 

[darrenj]

its dead on arrival. 8000 series is almost here.

Rumor: Next-Generation AMD Ryzen 8000 Desktop Processors: A Surprise Release in 2023?

In an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year....

www.guru3d.com

n an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year.

And here I am with a new Asus AM5 motherboard and DDR5 6000 ram all in the unopened shipping box biting my nails for 7800X3D!!

 

[kwolf667]

And here I am with a new Asus AM5 motherboard and DDR5 6000 ram all in the unopened shipping box biting my nails for 7800X3D!!

What mobo if I may ask? I'm probably holiding off on 7800x3d now. I'm just worried that zen 5 will introduce new features that will again require a new mobo, even if current AM5 boards will remain compatible

 

[Daven]

What are the odds this happening, since the more expensive 7900X3D and 7950X3D can't do that?

How is that again?

 

[Colddecked]

its dead on arrival. 8000 series is almost here.

Rumor: Next-Generation AMD Ryzen 8000 Desktop Processors: A Surprise Release in 2023?

In an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year....

www.guru3d.com

n an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year.

Like the 5800x3d was dead because of 7000 series

 

[Bwaze]

View attachment 289561
How is that again?

Difference between 98.4% and 100% in 720p is in resolutions that people actually use visible how? Have they changed the definition of "beat" too in recent times?

 

[btk2k2]

Difference between 98.4% and 100% in 720p is in resolutions that people actually use visible how? Have they changed the definition of "beat" too in recent times?

In the games TPU use for CPU testing. not a fat lot.

In games that are actually CPU limited like Cities Skylines simulation rates. Stellaris/HOI4/EU4 etc sim rates, Factorio, Star Citizen, Civ 6 Turn Time, Path of Exile, WoW, iRacing, MSFS, ACC and so on the differences can be absolutely huge.

 

[Daven]

Difference between 98.4% and 100% in 720p is in resolutions that people actually use visible how? Have they changed the definition of "beat" too in recent times?

The point of the X3D series is to be competitive with Intel’s offering. They beat Intel in CPU limited scenarios and obviously tie them when the GPU is limited. This is the case for both the 12 and 16 core versions and most likely apply to the 8 core version. Its true that its not a huge beating and pricing can make all the difference:

7800X3D $450 - beats/ties 13900k (est.) with massive price savings; tailored for gaming only
7900X3D $600 - beats/ties 13900k at slightly higher pricing for those who need more more P cores for productivity combined with gaming
7950X3D $700 - beats/ties 13900k at much higher price for those who need the most P cores for serious productivity combined with gaming

Each customer usage breakdown will vary and there’s a product CPU/GPU combo out there for everyone. Go competition!

PS Product pricing much above $500 are halo products. Its the reason no one and I mean no one speaks about the 13900ks at $729. The 7950X3D would almost qualify but 16 highly efficient P cores with HT is very appealing to many productivity and creative minded folks not to mention the gaming aspect.

 

[freeagent]

what logic is that? this seems like a completely emotional argument

It is. Did I strike a nerve?

 

[kwolf667]

It is. Did I strike a nerve?

I was going to buy the 7800x3d but I now feel that would make me the victim of AMD marketing strategy, which consists in hyperdifferentiation of their products so that they can dangle another carrot in front of you every 6 months. Generational cycles used to be longer or at least they weren't as differentiated into 6 or more different product launches. I may also just go with Intel Gen 14 now, provided they become more energy efficient.

 

[Daven]

I was going to buy the 7800x3d but I now feel that would make me the victim of AMD marketing strategy, which consists in hyperdifferentiation of their products so that they can dangle another carrot in front of you every 6 months. Generational cycles used to be longer or at least they weren't as differentiated into 6 or more different product launches. I may also just go with Intel Gen 14 now, provided they become more energy efficient.

Lol wut? I think this is the first time I’ve ever read someone not wanting to buy technology because of the advancement of technology. Do you think that buying a 7800X3D now will initiate a visit to your house by the technology police who will hold you upside down until enough money falls out of your pocket to force you to upgrade your CPU?

There is always a new product just around the corner or maybe you were always going to buy Intel and a rumor about an AMD CPU upgrade helps you with your decision. That’s cool of course. Both companies have good products that are tailored for different usages. I prefer AMD because their P cores have the same power usage as Intel E cores but the performance of Intel P cores. I don’t see any future Intel product that will turn this around.

BTW there is a reason TPU is the gold standard when it comes to hardware reviews. They go the extra mile and then some. Take their power measurements under each application for example:

7950X3D

13900k

While both processors beat or tie each other in performance depending on the application, the power consumption across the vast majority of apps is not even close. Notice the top scale for the AMD graph is 160W and the top scale for the Intel graph is 300W. Its even a bigger efficiency blowout when it comes to games. I’ve not read any rumors that Intel 14th gen will do any better and most likely will be even worse. It’s important to me but maybe not to you. Whatever AMD has around the corner could be even better but they have a great solution now.

 

[kwolf667]

Lol wut? I think this is the first time I’ve ever read someone not wanting to buy technology because of the advancement of technology. Do you think that buying a 7800X3D now will initiate a visit to your house by the technology police who will hold you upside down until enough money falls out of your pocket to force you to upgrade your CPU?

There is always a new product just around the corner or maybe you were always going to buy Intel and a rumor about an AMD CPU upgrade helps you with your decision. That’s cool of course. Both companies have good products that are tailored for different usages. I prefer AMD because their P cores have the same power usage as Intel E cores but the performance of Intel P cores. I don’t see any future Intel product that will turn this around.

BTW there is a reason TPU is the gold standard when it comes to hardware reviews. They go the extra mile and then some. Take their power measurements under each application for example:

7950X3D
View attachment 289578

13900k
View attachment 289579
While both processors beat or tie each other in performance depending on the application, the power consumption across the vast majority of apps is not even close. Notice the top scale for the AMD graph is 160W and the top scale for the Intel graph is 300W. Its even a bigger efficiency blowout when it comes to games. I’ve not read any rumors that Intel 14th gen will do any better and most likely will be even worse. It’s important to me but maybe not to you. Whatever AMD has around the corner could be even better but they have a great solution now.

my point is that the advancement of technology is artificially delayed or if if you will salami-sliced because of marketing. The 7800x3d for example could have been released together with the 7950x3d but it was held back to sell more of the expensive chips first. And the 7950x3d itself was already delayed, perhaps to narrow the gap until the Ryzen 8000? So the whole market segmentation just feels particularly bad now, worse than it did some years ago

 

[Steevo]

my point is that the advancement of technology is artificially delayed or if if you will salami-sliced because of marketing. The 7800x3d for example could have been released together with the 7950x3d but it was held back to sell more of the expensive chips first. And the 7950x3d itself was already delayed, perhaps to narrow the gap until the Ryzen 8000? So the whole market segmentation just feels particularly bad now, worse than it did some years ago

AMD is a for profit company, just like Intel, no one should have brand loyalty unless they are OK buying overpriced or underperforming parts. I don't have a matched set of applicances in my kitchen as I bought the best at the price point as my concern was performance and durability.

If you look at AMD's track record of suppport, AM5 will be around much longer than Intel and their forced upgrade cycles. Its what allowed people with cheap AM4 boards to drop in a 58003D and get as good as current gen Intel performance for the cost of a CPU. AM5 will most likely offer at least 2 generations more of CPU upgrades. TCO with AMD is slightly higher right now due to the cost of motherboards and DDR5, but unless you are aiming for top 2% of gaming performance a generation older hardware will provide all the performance you need.

 

[Tomorrow]

its dead on arrival. 8000 series is almost here.

Rumor: Next-Generation AMD Ryzen 8000 Desktop Processors: A Surprise Release in 2023?

In an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year....

www.guru3d.com

n an unexpected turn of events, hardware manufacturer Gigabyte inadvertently revealed that the next generation of AMD Ryzen desktop processors may be released later this year.

APU's and/or XT refresh based on 4nm Zen 4.
Zen 5 is 2024 product.

AMD releases a new flagship every 6 months lol.. I’m out.. back to blue.

Yes. It's much better to release flagship every 2 years. Or better yet move to Intel where you need a new motherboard because new CPU's require a new socket again.

Like the 5800x3d was dead because of 7000 series

Hardly. They use different sockets and memory. 5800X3D was endgame gaming for AM4 and still sells like hotcakes even at 300+ prices.