MSI Claims 10% FPS Increase With Ryzen 7 7800X3D and MSI Exclusive Enhanced Mode Boost

[GFreeman]

AMD announced today the third processor, Ryzen 7 7800X3D, to the lineup of AMD Ryzen 7000 Series processors with AMD 3D V-Cache Technology that will be compatible with all MSI's X670, B650 and A620 motherboards. The new Ryzen 7 7800X3D features 8 cores and 16 threads, 96 MB L3 cache and 120 W TDP as well which is definitely the best value choice for gamers.

At the same time, MSI is pleased to present the extraordinary performance of Ryzen 7 7800X3D, powered by MSI's exclusive BIOS features - Enhanced Mode Boost, High-Efficiency Mode and Memory Context Restore. All MSI 600 series motherboards support these functions with AGESA COMBO PI 1.0.0.6.



Enhanced Mode Boost
The exclusive Enhanced Mode Boost is a dedicated design to enhance the performance of Ryzen 7000X3D series processors. With the three pre-set profiles, users can boost higher CPU performance and benefit not only game performance but also creation usage.



High-Efficiency Mode
Another exclusive feature - High-Efficiency Mode provides optimized Memory Timing Presets by lowering latency and improving bandwidth. It is flexible for users to fine-tune the best performance with Tightest, Tighter, Balance and Relax four levels for different memory modules used.



Memory Context Restore
Last but not least, the new Memory Context Restore is not related to performance but definitely makes life easier by reducing the boot time of the AM5 platform. According to the test result, boot time reduces by 50% by enabling Memory Context Restore.



Extraordinary Performance
Even though the Ryzen 7000X3D series processors do not support core clock adjustment, the game performance has been enhanced by up to 12% with the activation of Enhanced Mode Boost and High-Efficiency Mode.

The AIDA 64 test results present the benefits of creative relevant usage. The enhancement of copying, reading and writing speed will improve the efficiency of the creators.



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[P4-630]

All this with shortening the life drastically of your new shiny CPU.....

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D free overclocked, overvolted and unfortunately executed with the MSI Center | igor´sLAB

First and foremost, a warning to everyone not to replicate this. You will inevitably cause irreparable damage to your valuable CPU. The current version of the MSI Center allows for voltage and clock…

www.igorslab.de

 

[Space Lynx]

@ir_cow Can you explain what this memory context restore feature is? In human terms please. lol

 

[Steevo]

All this with shortening the life drastically of your new shiny CPU.....

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D free overclocked, overvolted and unfortunately executed with the MSI Center | igor´sLAB

First and foremost, a warning to everyone not to replicate this. You will inevitably cause irreparable damage to your valuable CPU. The current version of the MSI Center allows for voltage and clock…

www.igorslab.de

Since the 7950X boosts higher maybe they are doing SERIOUS binning on dies to match up to their product lines, efficient non-leaky cores for the 7800X3D that also don't like any more voltage.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Many passions are thrown for "3d" cache. And this is a technology that has almost become routine for AMD.

 

[wNotyarD]

@ir_cow Can you explain what this memory context restore feature is? In human terms please. lol

Long story short? The motherboard doesn't retrain memory every bootup, shortening boot times.

 

[evernessince]

Since the 7950X boosts higher maybe they are doing SERIOUS binning on dies to match up to their product lines, efficient non-leaky cores for the 7800X3D that also don't like any more voltage.

I don't think AMD does any special binning for the 7800X that it doesn't already do for the 7700. Looking at power consumption carts, the 7700 only consumes a tad more power and they are pretty neck and neck. The 7800X3D only pulls ahead in gaming and it's efficiency there is down to the fact that it doesn't have to fetch data from memory nearly as often.

Not sure if even the 7950X is really much of a binned chip either. When the 5950X released it had lower power consumption than the 5900X and higher clocks. Now that's binning. The 7950X scales in power consumption compared to the 7900X and other Zen 4 processors as you'd expect if you assume that all of them are within the same ballpark silicon quality wise. AMD could have pulled another 5950X and had the 7950X with lower power consumption while maintaining higher clocks but AMD, both in the case of the 7950X and 7800X3D, decided to reserve their higher binned chips for other applications.

 

[P4-630]

@Space Lynx will you get one?

 

[Space Lynx]

Long story short? The motherboard doesn't retrain memory every bootup, shortening boot times.

This is great news.

@Space Lynx will you get one?

Yes, I already said in 7800x3d review thread I am buying it. This is my stop. (also somewhat my midlife crisis, since I can't visit my fiance in England this year due to airbnb costing too much, and she had to move in with her friend due to inflation issues in the UK)

 

[JAB Creations]

Many passions are thrown for "3d" cache. And this is a technology that has almost become routine for AMD.

Two counts as a routine?

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

This is great news.

Don’t get too excited about Memory Context Restore.

From the 7800x3d review today:

ASUS board are basically unchanged. They've added a "Memory Context Restore" BIOS option a while ago, which reduces the boot times to acceptable levels. Unfortunately on the newer BIOS versions enabling MCR will result in random blue screens in Windows, especially when the machine is idle. I'm not sure why AMD isn't implementing a universal approach to address this, instead relying on motherboard vendors to cook up their own solutions.

 

[ir_cow]

AMD never intended for Context Restore to exist. People can't handle 40 second boot times, so now you get a wonky feature that isn't really official either.

@ir_cow Can you explain what this memory context restore feature is? In human terms please. lol

Looks like someone else answered already Memory timings from the previous boot training is kept. The big downside here is that those settings might not have been stable to begin with.

 

[Space Lynx]

AMD never intended for Context Restore to exist. People can't handle 40 second boot times, so now you get a wonky feature that isn't really official either.


Looks like someone else answered already Memory timings from the previous boot training is kept. The big downside here is that those settings might not have been stable to begin with.

I just can't fathom AMD's reasoning on this. For the last 15+ years or more and even Intel still to this day, they use a static ram xmp, shut down and boot super fast... why change it... so you can get 2 fps faster in games... its just so dumb.

 

[ir_cow]

I just can't fathom AMD's reasoning on this.

AMD gains more from tuned memory compared to Intel. This was just another thing to lift performance.

 

[Space Lynx]

AMD gains more from tuned memory compared to Intel. This was just another thing to lift performance.

I just don't buy this, especially when we discuss x3d chips being the future of gaming. 5800x3d really doesn't benefit from faster ram for example like a regular chip does. I think its a miscalculation on AMD's part. I think there could have been slightly lower and safer "EXPO/XMP" timings that could remain static.

 

[Wirko]

Memory timings from the previous boot training is kept.

Whenever you hear about "training", it's link training. It's the process in which the memory controller tries to adapt to distortions in the signal path between the CPU die and each DRAM die. Or even each single bit line. It's not related to memory timings which the user can view and set.

Apparently Intel has figured out how to do it quickly and reliably, but AMD hasn't yet. It's performed on the PCIe bus as well, with the same purpose.

The big downside here is that those settings might not have been stable to begin with.

That's entirely possible.

 

[ir_cow]

@Wirko

The way an AMD engineer explained it (Some Youtube video - will link if I can find it again). Instead of using generic JEDEC timings for all the sub-timings, or "scaled" to the EXPO/XMP profile, these are all "trained" every boot to raise performance. If you manual type in all the values, it will boot faster

 

[Space Lynx]

@Wirko

The way an AMD engineer explained it (Some Youtube video - will link if I can find it again). Instead of using generic JEDEC timings for all the sub-timings, or "scaled" to the EXPO/XMP profile, these are all "trained" every boot to raise performance. If you manual type in all the values, it will boot faster

thats the part i am skeptical about. by how much does it raise performance over static last gen ram in zen 3. i just doubt its all that much.

 

[Bjørgersson]

BSET AM5 MOTHERBOARD

Hehe. Somebody should've proofread that promo material before publishing.

 

[mkppo]

All this with shortening the life drastically of your new shiny CPU.....

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D free overclocked, overvolted and unfortunately executed with the MSI Center | igor´sLAB

First and foremost, a warning to everyone not to replicate this. You will inevitably cause irreparable damage to your valuable CPU. The current version of the MSI Center allows for voltage and clock…

www.igorslab.de

Not at all and you're absolutely wrong. Gains are easily possible with memory tuning which is entirely different. What you're linking to has absolutely nothing to do with it. Your link is a bug which requires you to install an already buggy MSI center to manually touch voltages which no one ever does and the bios doesn't even let you change voltage. It's like exploiting a rare software bug in an already buggy software, then increasing voltages (which does nothing to performance anyway) and then destroying the CPU just for jokes.

 

[Chomiq]

All this with shortening the life drastically of your new shiny CPU.....

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D free overclocked, overvolted and unfortunately executed with the MSI Center | igor´sLAB

First and foremost, a warning to everyone not to replicate this. You will inevitably cause irreparable damage to your valuable CPU. The current version of the MSI Center allows for voltage and clock…

www.igorslab.de

Update as of 30th March 2023 – 1:45 PM​

As further testing in the community has revealed (thanks to Pascal for finding and digging deeper!), the software of Gigabyte, ASRock, and Asus is also not secure. The same outcome can occur where the CPU is inadvertently sent to the eternal hunting grounds with a little bad luck and ignorance upon clicking.

Presets in UEFI are probably just different PBO settings while the thing that IL saw was a software bug applicable to other vendors.

 

[Airisom]

Don't drink the Kool-Aid folks. Baseline was JEDEC DDR5 4800. PBO + UV + EXPO 6000 will do basically the same thing. Nothing to see here just classic marketing that's misleading to the majority buying EXPO 6000.

Asus's AI profile for X3D chips is noteworthy, however. They basically made an eCLK profile that OCs to 5.25GHz. Pair with CL30 6000, PBO and UV, and you have basically 95% of what X3D is capable of in a few clicks.