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AMD Plays the VRAM Card Against NVIDIA

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In a blog post, AMD has pulled the VRAM card against NVIDIA, telling potential graphics card buyers that they should consider AMD over NVIDIA, because current and future games will require more VRAM, especially at higher resolution. There's no secret that there has been something of a consensus from at least some of the PC gaming crowd that NVIDIA is being too stingy when it comes to VRAM on its graphics cards and AMD is clearly trying to cash in on that sentiment with its latest blog post. AMD is showing the VRAM usage in games such as Resident Evil 4—with and without ray tracing at that—The Last of US Part I and Hogwarts Legacy, all games that use over 11 GB of VRAM or more.

AMD does have a point here, but as the company has as yet to launch anything below the Radeon RX 7900 XT in the 7000-series, AMD is mostly comparing its 6000-series of cards with NVIDIA's 3000-series of cards, most of which are getting hard to purchase and potentially less interesting for those looking to upgrade their system. That said, AMD also compares its two 7000-series cards to the NVIDIA RTX 4070 Ti and the RTX 4080, claiming up to a 27 percent lead over NVIDIA in performance. Based on TPU's own tests of some of these games, albeit most likely using different test scenarios, the figures provided by AMD don't seem to reflect real world performance. It's also surprising to see AMD claims its RX 7900 XTX beats NVIDIA's RTX 4080 in ray tracing performance in Resident Evil 4 by 23 percent, where our own tests shows NVIDIA in front by a small margin. Make what you want of this, but one thing is fairly certain and that is that future games will require more VRAM, but most likely the need for a powerful GPU isn't going to go away.



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interesting ... i wonder if nvidia will answer with 4080ti with 20gb or 24gb vram...
must say that resident evil 4 with rt enabled result caught me by surprise...
 
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They have been playing the VRAM card for years, except for Fury X, when HBM was going to be some sort of magic.
 
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All they're showing is how shit PC ports are.
 
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All they're showing is how shit PC ports are.
That's just a reality, deal with it. The fact remains AMD has you covered regardless of how shit the port is, and Nvidia doesn't.

Consoles have been defining the baseline resource needs for decades now, the writing was always on the wall. That 4070ti you got there is going to run into trouble sooner rather than later.

They have been playing the VRAM card for years, except for Fury X, when HBM was going to be some sort of magic.
Yep... that alone proves the point either way, Fury X fell off much faster than the 6GB 980ti while they were about equal on launch.

Now the tables are turned.
Its pretty ironic to see crappy VRAM caps on cards by the same company pushing RT which requires additional VRAM over non RT, don't you think.
 
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They have 4 pictures with charts on their blog post

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The higher we move in tiers, the more green lines we see at the bottom. Also in the 7900XT vs 4070Ti the Perf/$ comparison is missing. I wonder why.

AMD does have a point here, and Hardware Unboxed did offered us a good reason to avoid models that are VRAM limited even today.

 
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Expect this trend to continue to grow instead of diminish. AMD is is in the Xbox and PS5. That means that Games that are made for all 3 are already optimized for AMD. One of the things I have noticed about AMD on new Games is how consistent the Clocks are. Translating to ultra smooth Gameplay. This is why for me averages mean nothing and 1% lows are everything. Once you go X3D you don't go back.
 
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Just make better products or lower the price and work a bit on your image if you want to sell, that 80/less than 20 split on steam is of course rediculous.., having said that they have a point sure but if a whole generation is stuck on 8gb I'm not sure if devs will want to push progress in that area, so less progress then possible but fewer issues for gamers
 
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Just make better products or lower the price and work a bit on your image if you want to sell, that 80/less than 20 split on steam is of course rediculous.., having said that they have a point sure but if a whole generation is stuck on 8gb I'm not sure if devs will want to push progress in that area, so less progress then possible but fewer issues for gamers
Devs already are pushing in that area and even Nvidia is helping them push it that way ;) So what segment of the market's offerings is going to step on the brakes here? Its going to be (and already is) solved by dialing down settings or dynamically dropping image quality. Fan-tas-tic!

The only fools that don't seem to want to get that are the ones who bought into low VRAM GPUs at a premium. Sucks to be them. They've been warned a million times. But going by their own cognitive dissonance, they don't care, so all is well in the world isn't it? They're not skipping games from devs that push over 12GB requirements either, so who's really losing here?

I'm just sittin here enjoying my popcorn right now.
A few months ago people were still selling 2nd hand 3080 10GBs at (way) over 700 EUR over here. Try that now. Lmao. Ampere and also most of Ada are going to go down as the least future proof gens in a long long time. Now you know why Ampere's stack is a full blown mess of too low initial and far too high VRAM capacities in the rebound. Nvidia knew it, and they're still pushing for planned obscolescence, and people are still in denial.
 
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All they're showing is how shit PC ports are.
The only port that is shit is TLOU Part 1, games like RE4 and HWL are fine.
Nvidia has been pushing planned obsolescence on cards with only 8GB of VRAM since the RTX 20 series, newer games are only going to continue to use more VRAM.
 
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Love how picky with enabling RT in all games they were, probably because they get murdered in these with RT always on.
Youre touting high end gpu superiority, gotta enable RT always.
 
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Even though this is just for marketing purposes, yes it obviously does matter.

Love how picky with enabling RT in all games they were, probably because they get murdered in these with RT always on.
Youre touting high end gpu superiority, gotta enable RT always.
Control is on there which is one of the heaviest games to run, neither the 7900XTX or 4080 get 60fps natively, I'd say it's representative enough, TPU found that the 4080 is 15% faster on average with RT on.
 
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Is this the first official posting of the 7900xt at a lower price ($849)?
 
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This time AMD was right, more RAM for such big (poorly done?) games is crucial for smooth gameplay. nvidia of course does what they do best, gives their customers good for now, but overall sub-par products.
 
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Finally AMD themselves have spoken about VRAM, something that tech community has been showing for quite some time is an increasing issue with good or bad aging of cards.

3070 and 3070Ti are great examples of so badly aging cards with 8GB if VRAM. The same will happen in 2 years with 4070 and 4070Ti. Nvidia knows this and tries to force customers to upgrade sooner rather than later.

As always, in order to maximize profits for shareholders, companies are often being anti-consumer.
 
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Consoles have been defining the baseline resource needs for decades now, the writing was always on the wall. That 4070ti you got there is going to run into trouble sooner rather than later.
I honestly doubt most 4070Ti owners will even care, when those that pay a premium high tier price for a midrange card, most people can likely replace it when Nvidia wants them to.
Its pretty ironic to see crappy VRAM caps on cards by the same company pushing RT which requires additional VRAM over non RT, don't you think.
Yeah its interesting to see cards that were beating AMD's 6000 series now fall behind due to VRAM limitations, and the excuses of ports being shit or unoptimized are silly when RT also requires more VRAM. And of course Nvidia only provides sufficient VRAM if you buy the 4080 or 4090.
 
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low ram is the reason I will avoid of buying 4070 (ti), and go for 4080/4090

This time AMD was right, more RAM for such big (poorly done?) games is crucial for smooth gameplay. nvidia of course does what they do best, gives their customers good for now, but overall sub-par products.
Amd right, coz its 2023, and not 2015, and having 12GB of ram in ~800$ graphics card is super outdated
 
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All they're showing is how shit PC ports are.

PC has never been the most important platform and it has not been the showcase platform either for decades now. The showcase platform is the consoles. The PC is the 1080p 60hz low details platform dominated by x060 cards and then stuff like 1660s. People need to accept that.
 
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The higher we move in tiers, the more green lines we see at the bottom.

That makes sense, considering Nvidia's mid tiers are the ones with significantly lower amounts of VRAM.
The 3070 Ti is an especially bad offender in this area. I wonder how it compares to the much cheaper 6700XT 12GB in the lower 1% and 0.1% of these latest 2023 AAA games, or even how it compares to the RTX 3060 12GB.
 
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Let's see what DirectStorage (along with DX12 Upload Heaps) can do for games - provided it ever becomes widely used.
One of the things DS can do is decompression from memory. Compressed game assets can be stored in system RAM, then transfered to VRAM and decompressed with fast algorithms on the GPU on the fly. Ideally this could reduce the need for more VRAM but it takes additional effort to optimise for the PC platform.
 
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Translation: our cards suck, but we put a lot of VRAM in them because that was the only thing we could do to make them look more valuable.
Did you even see the chart ?
 
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Benchmark Scores They're pretty good, nothing crazy.
If you don't think about DLSS, coil whine, janky coolers, or actual RT performance (not just some light RT shadows here and there) it is technically true. More VRAM is better.
 
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Translation: our cards suck, but we put a lot of VRAM in them because that was the only thing we could do to make them look more valuable.
The Australian YouTube channel can’t remember it’s name did a very telling video last week.
textures disappearing and games looking like shit because of it on 8GB cards.

with dram prices collapsing like now there is no reason for nvidia to not make the 4070 a 16gb card
 
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