Although I agree with you going by techspot numbers that would make the 7900XT only 10% faster at 1440p making it DOA for 800+ usd.
Maybe 6900XT like performance for 500 usd with 16GB of vram that would give the 7900XT just enough breathing room.
If game settings page is done by professionals, it wouldn't allow too high settings in the first place, but alerts if VRAM limit has been exceeded.If you paid attention to what is being said in reviews, you would understand why VRAM is a problem. Running out of VRAM causes frame rate drops and worse 1% FPS low rates.
Thank God we have objective posters like you.
Everyone says that the best thing about 4070 is efficiency. Thank you captain Obvious.
I bet you have an Intel CPU,... for efficiency.
Processor | Ryzen 5 5700x |
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Motherboard | B550 Elite |
Cooling | Thermalright Perless Assassin 120 SE |
Memory | 32GB Fury Beast DDR4 3200Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 3060 ti gaming oc pro |
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB, WD SN850x 1TB, plus some random HDDs |
Display(s) | LG 27gp850 1440p 165Hz 27'' |
Case | Lian Li Lancool II performance |
Power Supply | MSI 750w |
Mouse | G502 |
System Name | The de-ploughminator Mk-II |
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Processor | i7 13700KF |
Motherboard | MSI Z790 Carbon |
Cooling | ID-Cooling SE-226-XT + Phanteks T30 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill DDR5 7200Cas34 |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX4090 TUF |
Storage | Kingston KC3000 2TB NVME |
Display(s) | 48" LG OLED C4 |
Case | Corsair 5000D Air |
Audio Device(s) | KEF LSX II LT speakers + KEF KC62 Subwoofer |
Power Supply | Corsair HX850 |
Mouse | Razor Death Adder v3 |
Keyboard | Razor Huntsman V3 Pro TKL |
Software | win11 |
7900XT is more of a 4K card with 20GB of ram though. Sure a 7800XT with 6950XT performance will also do well at 4K I can see the legs on the 7900XT being far better long term.
System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600 / 16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
Have you seen the video from Hardware Unboxed with Hogwarts Legacy? You have almost smooth framerate, but with visual problems, with textures a mess loading, unloading. This is how they will "fix" the VRAM capacity problems. And guess what. Professionals decided to limit the VRAM capacity on $400-$800 cards. Are you shocked?If game settings page is done by professionals, it wouldn't allow too high settings in the first place, but alerts if VRAM limit has been exceeded.![]()
Damn, I had to recheck the URL on my browser to see it is was saying WCCFTECH.Will have Intel again, 13700k at 80W when UV&OC +10% performance and way ahead of AMD. Sad thing is even 6core 13600K is better in productivity aswell, when compared to majority of AMD products. Buying Intel gets you gaming CPU and content creator CPU, two products in one.
"Neanderthal 45'-angle forehead ppl" can't handle the truth, even after Der8auer pointed out the effiency of Intel CPUs in his undervolting review.
If 7800X3D would use 50W and 13700K even 100W after adjusting while gaming, using 1500h full load in games, with 20cnt/kWh, means 15eur yearly. A bit over 1eur per month, under 3eur/month still if 40snt/kWh. I would suggest a phrase "It's time to prioritize", if such amounts cause financial ship to sink. ;D
Or another scenario with 7800X3D 50W and 150W Intel, is same as above - 150kWh difference.
Now 1500h yearly is 125h gaming monthly, and no skipping or upcoming months will be busy haha. Or the energy price difference narrows down a lot.
At same time ppl are ready to use 350W 6800-6900XT instead of 180W 4070, which was on par in Gamers Nexus.
I remember days when everybody was soooooo productive and shouting out how important this is to have, when 1700X etc were released. Now when Intel took the lead, silence has landed.![]()
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System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
Spoken like a guy who hasn't played portal 2Rt without Dlss on a 4090.7900XT can't reach 4K60 avg in some recent titles already (The last of us, Forspoken, Dead Space Remake), and that is without RT.
There in no leg on the 7900XT, it's already obsolete now...
Have you seen the video from Hardware Unboxed with Hogwarts Legacy? You have almost smooth framerate, but with visual problems, with textures a mess loading, unloading. This is how they will "fix" the VRAM capacity problems. And guess what. Professionals decided to limit the VRAM capacity on $400-$800 cards. Are you shocked?
Damn, I had to recheck the URL on my browser to see it is was saying WCCFTECH.
Love your double standards and excuses.
this guy cracks me up =)))If game settings page is done by professionals, it wouldn't allow too high settings in the first place, but alerts if VRAM limit has been exceeded.
Will have Intel again, 13700k at 80W when UV&OC +10% performance and way ahead of AMD. Sad thing is even 6core 13600K is better in productivity aswell, when compared to majority of AMD products. Buying Intel gets you gaming CPU and content creator CPU, two products in one.
"Neanderthal 45'-angle forehead ppl" can't handle the truth, even after Der8auer pointed out the effiency of Intel CPUs in his undervolting review.
If 7800X3D would use 50W and 13700K even 100W after adjusting while gaming, using 1500h full load in games, with 20cnt/kWh, means 15eur yearly. A bit over 1eur per month, under 3eur/month still if 40snt/kWh. I would suggest a phrase "It's time to prioritize", if such amounts cause financial ship to sink. ;D
Or another scenario with 7800X3D 50W and 150W Intel, is same as above - 150kWh difference.
Now 1500h yearly is 125h gaming monthly, and no skipping or upcoming months will be busy haha. Or the energy price difference narrows down a lot.
At same time ppl are ready to use 350W 6800-6900XT instead of 180W 4070, which was on par in Gamers Nexus.
I remember days when everybody was soooooo productive and shouting out how important this is to have, when 1700X etc were released. Now when Intel took the lead, silence has landed.![]()
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System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600 / 16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
Me me me me me. Well, while I don't really care about your utopian experiences with your system, where obviously the first thing you rush to do was undervolting, I bet even with a Celeron and a GTX 1630 you would be happy, considering they have the correct stickers on them.I love the 1440p results - the resolution this card is aimed for, constant handshaking with 3080 and often with 3090 even, while having 2700MHz GPU frequency. Would also say the 1440p is kind of "new FHD", modern standard for gaming. Steve is my lighthouse in the dark seas of GPUs. If we look at the 4070's success using 180W, those AMD 6xxx should bring more FPS also, for example at 270W would mean 50% increase, but can't see it happening. I don't accept this kind of behaviour.
AMD is great new kitchen appliance, keeping my coffee warm.
On 12700K I was able to boost allcore performance around 12% while reducing in CB R23 ~245W ->175W.Since those 13-gen CPUs are able to scale even better, the results are better. Only by undervolting of 0,1V otherwise stock values, will end up with 5500MHz allcore; Gains 10% in tests. On my previous 12700K I went from ~1,36V -> 1.19V while having OC of 300MHz + other adjustments on RING. So much to crank up with Intel CPUs. On 13700K I am expecting even greater drop in wattage.
Quite interesting results here (reliable source), 180-190W versus 330-350W 6950xt. Set the timing nicely, happy watching.Generally saying 4070 is faster than 3080, in 1440p. But not significantly, exactly what I was expecting 1-2months ago when doing some maths according to GPU, that OCing gives the extra over 3080 due to 4070 scaling over 3000MHz on GPU. Still having much lower power consumption.
I thing you are a long way from achieving your dream. But I could be wrong.My dream is to buy without brands, only to pay for the performance, not for ideology.
Intel and Nvidia killed the dinosaurs. That's why we hate them.I understand the nvidia&intel hate, it's been coded in cave ppl genetics.
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
Yeah comedy goldthis guy cracks me up =)))
well with your amazing input, avatar, and vague air of well todo epean you really are starting out well, not sure what your plan is(you know why im saying it(heart)) but your one biased post away from ignore.My dream is to buy without brands, only to pay for the performance, not for ideology.
I understand the nvidia&intel hate, it's been coded in cave ppl genetics. Some ppl like to be fanboys of some semi-conductor brands lmao. I prefer the facts and can't even see brand names. Like when buying fresh Audi, I see only blank pages in catalogues if no quattro mentioned, then I get in contact with car retailers and ask "Why there's empty pages in this leaflet?".![]()
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
System Name | His & Hers |
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Processor | R7 5800X/ R7 7950X3D Stock |
Motherboard | X670E Aorus Pro X/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero |
Cooling | Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum |
Memory | Trident Z5 Neo 6000/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk |
Video Card(s) | Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 |
Storage | lots of SSD. |
Display(s) | A whole bunch OLED, VA, IPS..... |
Case | 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X |
Audio Device(s) | Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B |
Power Supply | Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero. |
Keyboard | Logitech - G915 LIGHTSPEED / Logitech G Pro |
When a thread about AMD dropping prices on one card starts with,
"AMD is not only doing marketing slides and pulling the VRAM card against NVIDIA ahead of the GeForce RTX 4070 launch, but it is also apparently doing some discounts on its Radeon RX 6000 series graphics cards, with the Radeon RX 6800 now selling for as low $469.99.*
How the actual fffff did you expect this to go, has the OP a horse in the game, I would hope not but they should consider not starting threads in such flame baity ways, it's now a Nvidia fanboi shit on AMD thread , fine there are many many.
Again troll, Me via pms, the convo would be at least not one sided the mods love my public posts as is, not.
OP, I think you could have started this thread better personally,.
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Ps if this needs deleting Can the mod start a convo with me please
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
Reasonable, love it.It's honestly a smart move they know fanboys are like Flys to $h!+ to these kinds of articles. A large part of their revenue is based on traffic you would think so it makes sense.
As much as I think the whole fanboy thing should die that will never happen people root for these companies like they are their local Football teams after all. It's human nature I guess and beyond that people have a deep rooted hatred towards one or multiple of these companies for some usually ridiculous reason.
I think anyone with half a brain knows that it always comes down to who's on top behavior wise.
As far as the topic of this thread AMD really just needs to release a current gen competitor in the 550-650 price range they are seemingly always late lately at least when compared to Nvidia I get that they need to sell their previous generation hardware but really the only people buying it are those that can't afford or who choose not to afford any of the current gen offerings.
I'm a little worried about the 7800XT in general though if it performs like a 6900XT and cost around 600 usd that is a pretty big fail due to the 6800XT would not be that much slower and 2 years older it would be almost worse than the 4070 but kinda just the same and they really can't make it that much better because at that point it makes the 7900XT look even worse although it's at least creeping down to 800 usd.
I don't think the 6800 is all that appealing at 470 usd it's still a pretty great card though and probably the most efficient RDNA2 card without tweaking it while still having more than adequate vram I just think anyone who wanted one already bought it.
Like I said before balls in AMDs court hopefully they don't disappoint us. I know a lot of people who buy in the 500 ish price range who aren't impressed with Nvidia's 600 usd offering hopefully they thrash that card.
We can all do better that's just part of life even the best of us aren't perfect which isn't really possible to begin with.
If the mods delete my comments due to not fitting with the original post I trust that they are making a judgment based on the best interest of the website I don't take it personally.
I know the mods are too busy but I do wish there was some feedback when it happens sometimes it's obvious why but other times it's not they are just human as well trying to do their best I'm sure.
nVidia has different MSRP for different regions.The 4070 12GB has a MSRP of $600 ... the 3080 10GB has an MSRP of $700.
Have you seen the video from Hardware Unboxed with Hogwarts Legacy? You have almost smooth framerate, but with visual problems, with textures a mess loading, unloading. This is how they will "fix" the VRAM capacity problems. And guess what. Professionals decided to limit the VRAM capacity on $400-$800 cards. Are you shocked?
Damn, I had to recheck the URL on my browser to see it is was saying WCCFTECH.
Love your double standards and excuses.
System Name | [H]arbringer |
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Processor | 4x 61XX ES @3.5Ghz (48cores) |
Motherboard | SM GL |
Cooling | 3x xspc rx360, rx240, 4x DT G34 snipers, D5 pump. |
Memory | 16x gskill DDR3 1600 cas6 2gb |
Video Card(s) | blah bigadv folder no gfx needed |
Storage | 32GB Sammy SSD |
Display(s) | headless |
Case | Xigmatek Elysium (whats left of it) |
Audio Device(s) | yawn |
Power Supply | Antec 1200w HCP |
Software | Ubuntu 10.10 |
Benchmark Scores | http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1780855 http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2158678 http://ww |
That is putting it mildly. Dreams of buying without brand loyalty, gets Nvidia-Wintel Tattoo.I thing you are a long way from achieving your dream. But I could be wrong.
System Name | Eula |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 7900X PBO |
Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X670E Plus Wifi |
Cooling | Corsair H150i Elite LCD XT White |
Memory | Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6000 64GB (4x16GB F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR) EXPO II, OCCT Tested |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4080 GAMING OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 XT NVMe 2TB, Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 2TB, Toshiba N300 10TB HDD, Seagate Ironwolf 4T HDD |
Display(s) | Acer Predator X32FP 32in 160Hz 4K FreeSync/GSync DP, LG 32UL950 32in 4K HDR FreeSync/G-Sync DP |
Case | Phanteks Eclipse P500A D-RGB White |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Sound Blaster Z |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1000 Platinum 1000W |
Mouse | SteelSeries Prime Pro Gaming Mouse |
Keyboard | SteelSeries Apex 5 |
Software | MS Windows 11 Pro |
7900 XT 16 GB's price range is against RTX 4070 T 12 GB.7900XT can't reach 4K60 avg in some recent titles already (The last of us, Forspoken, Dead Space Remake), and that is without RT.
There in no leg on the 7900XT, it's already obsolete now...
Cinebench R23 results are useless when amateurs like me have Blender instead. Cinebench R23 doesn't use AVX-512.I love the 1440p results - the resolution this card is aimed for, constant handshaking with 3080 and often with 3090 even, while having 2700MHz GPU frequency. Would also say the 1440p is kind of "new FHD", modern standard for gaming. Steve is my lighthouse in the dark seas of GPUs. If we look at the 4070's success using 180W, those AMD 6xxx should bring more FPS also, for example at 270W would mean 50% increase, but can't see it happening. I don't accept this kind of behaviour.
AMD is great new kitchen appliance, keeping my coffee warm.
On 12700K I was able to boost allcore performance around 12% while reducing in CB R23 ~245W ->175W.Since those 13-gen CPUs are able to scale even better, the results are better. Only by undervolting of 0,1V otherwise stock values, will end up with 5500MHz allcore; Gains 10% in tests. On my previous 12700K I went from ~1,36V -> 1.19V while having OC of 300MHz + other adjustments on RING. So much to crank up with Intel CPUs. On 13700K I am expecting even greater drop in wattage.
Quite interesting results here (reliable source), 180-190W versus 330-350W 6950xt. Set the timing nicely, happy watching.Generally saying 4070 is faster than 3080, in 1440p. But not significantly, exactly what I was expecting 1-2months ago when doing some maths according to GPU, that OCing gives the extra over 3080 due to 4070 scaling over 3000MHz on GPU. Still having much lower power consumption.
System Name | Eula |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 7900X PBO |
Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X670E Plus Wifi |
Cooling | Corsair H150i Elite LCD XT White |
Memory | Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6000 64GB (4x16GB F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR) EXPO II, OCCT Tested |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4080 GAMING OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 XT NVMe 2TB, Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 2TB, Toshiba N300 10TB HDD, Seagate Ironwolf 4T HDD |
Display(s) | Acer Predator X32FP 32in 160Hz 4K FreeSync/GSync DP, LG 32UL950 32in 4K HDR FreeSync/G-Sync DP |
Case | Phanteks Eclipse P500A D-RGB White |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Sound Blaster Z |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1000 Platinum 1000W |
Mouse | SteelSeries Prime Pro Gaming Mouse |
Keyboard | SteelSeries Apex 5 |
Software | MS Windows 11 Pro |
Does Blender use AVX-512?and nothing else uses AVX-512![]()