AMD Marketing Highlights Sub-$500 Pricing of 16 GB Radeon GPUs

[tvshacker]

There is a pretty decent performance gap between the 6800 and the 6800XT - 14%. Same price, go for the XT imo.

Very true, but I've "drawn a line" at 450€ and the cheapest is ~580€. Theres plenty of games in my backlog that I can still run fine (~60fps) on my 1060, so I'm in no particular rush, just looking out for an "extraordinary" deal.

 

[demirael]

That's called an Oligopoly (or cartel). No thanks.
I'd rather pay to watch a figurative and/or literal cage match

Oligopoly and cartel are different things tho.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Oligopoly and cartel are different things tho.

Well a cartel is a special case of an Oligopoly where the few companies that dominate the market have explicit (illegal) agreements about price fixing, supply, market share etc.

 

[Gica]

And rightly so. You probably want premium 1440p or 4K performance by now, which means 16GB of VRAM as a bare minimum. Peace of mind for 3-4 years, beyond next generation.

I bought 6800XT around Xmas 2020. Stopped buying Nvidia cards since Ampere due to low VRAM and didn't want to pay for top halo 90 class SKU absurdly high price.
Best decision ever. Most important thing is solid and future-proof hardware, then any software perks. Do not allow marketing of RT and DLSS to cloud your mind.

1440p and 4K Premium with mainstream video cards from 2020? The GPU cannot.
Of course, if you like 50 fps average and 25 fps low even in 1440p, it is possible. And you can be proud of that memory surplus.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Wonderful offer indeed, the good days of real discount on older tech are back

One thing though, AMD bound themselves to release any new card with at least 12GB, if not 16GB, starting at the upcoming RX7600. Anything else and the memory boomerang will hit them harder than to NV.

The not-enough-memory issues, although without any good reason (broken and un-optimized games are not an example), touch a very weak spot at many people's belly.
AMD have a very good opportunity to exploit it, set 16GB as the new minimum, and undercut NV's RT advantage while charging the same high $ as NV.
Double the memory for the same level of raster preformance and cost will be a winner.

 

[Suspecto]

The marketing department will be very busy soon

 

[Gica]

Wonderful offer indeed, the good days of real discount on older tech are back

One thing though, AMD bound themselves to release any new card with at least 12GB, if not 16GB, starting at the upcoming RX7600. Anything else and the memory boomerang will hit them harder than to NV.

The not-enough-memory issues, although without any good reason (broken and un-optimized games are not an example), touch a very weak spot at many people's belly.
AMD have a very good opportunity to exploit it, set 16GB as the new minimum, and undercut NV's RT advantage while charging the same high $ as NV.
Double the memory for the same level of raster preformance and cost will be a winner.

vRAM is not free. A video card from the middle area (7600XT) must be equipped with a 256-bit bus for 16GB, not 192-bit. The two will raise the price enough to not be competitive. The compromise solution is 192-bit bus with 12GB vRAM or 256-bit with 8GB vRAM.

 

[ixi]

Paid $980 for 3070ti

Never again

1000 peso for 8GB ram, jesus... Nvidia is happy. As customer is happy.

 

[Gica]

1000 peso for 8GB ram, jesus... Nvidia is happy. As customer is happy.

I paid 800 euros in 2021 in the mining apocalypse. It was the offer, it's true, maybe the last one before it reaches 1200 euros.
Now it can be found at 600-700 euros, depending on the implementation, a little more expensive than the 6700XT. But these old cards are no longer useful because 4070 is still there with the price. For 900-1000 euros you buy a 4070 Ti.

 

[Ferrum Master]

The marketing department will be very busy soon

I was amused by fact that it was first time they noticed how AGESA/AMD OC page works in conjunction with ASUS boards own overlapping menus. Basically when using ASUS board don't touch their own shit features and menus as they conflict and cause myriad of problems including AM4.

It looks like not 15 but 1.5years in the trade. Also the boot process, everyone and their dog forgets the third player. It not only AMD and the board vendor. It the modular nature of AMI ALASKA and their toolset where you compile the BIOS, so it is actually a communication in between these 3 to fix some sort of BIOS issues. I've had core BIOS problems in past, where the solution was to recompile the BIOS is newer, more bugfixed ALASKA base. It was untested, thus it explains why they are not so hasty doing it, as you simply can break more.

Well the morale of the day... AUTO does not mean stock. It has never been like that actually. You have know your stuff and dial in the needed values.

Regarding GPU's... a 500$ GPU for FHD gaming? Get a console for that. It should cost 300$.

 

[Chrispy_]

Whilst this marketing is true at the moment, it may soon be another classic AMD marketing blunder as the 7600-series is imminent with, according to all leaks so far, a 0GB increase in VRAM from the already-dubious 8GB on the 6600-series.

The vanilla 6600 isn't really fast enough to need more than 8GB, but I'm 100% certain it's not going to be enough for something rumoured to be as fast as a 3070 for exactly the same reasons 8GB isn't enough for a 3070.

 

[Vayra86]

1440p and 4K Premium with mainstream video cards from 2020? The GPU cannot.
Of course, if you like 50 fps average and 25 fps low even in 1440p, it is possible. And you can be proud of that memory surplus.

You can though..., despite your limited view on what games are played/available, you really can and have been able to for a long time as well.
We could run 1440p on a GTX 1080 already. The core doesn't run out of juice quite so fast as your perception tells you when you're sitting with 8GB But you keep repeating yourself, so maybe one day it might be true, despite the overwhelming majority experiencing the opposite. The GTX 1080 played Darktide on High at 40 FPS minimums with FSR @ 3440x1440. Close to 7GB VRAM, on 2016-age 'core'.

Its funny to see you now on the anti VRAM quest, repeating ad nauseam gpu core will run out before VRAM for everyone and how all cards have sufficient vram by default. Especially when you run one of the absolute worst balanced core-to-VRAM cards of the moment, its hilarious. Keep coping buddy. You order that blazing fast 4060ti yet? Its mighty efficient without its memory surplus.

 

[Jism]

AMD can stunt because it does'nt use these expensive as f monolithic dies Nvidia is using. Second nvidia's aim and to keep investors / stockholders happy, is to increase revenue every quarter. So vouch for AMD. Better hardware better price.

 

[Pumper]

AMD can stunt because it does'nt use these expensive as f monolithic dies Nvidia is using. Second nvidia's aim and to keep investors / stockholders happy, is to increase revenue every quarter. So vouch for AMD. Better hardware better price.

Does not apply to 6000 series and those got way cheaper over the years, while 3000 is still being sold over MSRP outside of US.

 

[Tek-Check]

1440p and 4K Premium with mainstream video cards from 2020? The GPU cannot.
Of course, if you like 50 fps average and 25 fps low even in 1440p, it is possible. And you can be proud of that memory surplus.

Sorry, this is utter nonsense. I am sure you will find one or two demanding games, such as Cyberpunk, that run a bit lower fps, but oh boy, please check basic facts before you post another embarrassing comment.

 

[Eskimonster]

Aaaand in DK, the 6800 tops at 887$, sucks to suck.

 

[docnorth]

Now let's see how much the 8gb(?) successors of their mainstream models (e.g. 12gb 6700 xt) are going to cost.

Edit: And I'm afraid AMD will follow Nvidia (4060, 4060 ti) with the same 128 bit memory bus

 

[chrcoluk]

I was amused by fact that it was first time they noticed how AGESA/AMD OC page works in conjunction with ASUS boards own overlapping menus. Basically when using ASUS board don't touch their own shit features and menus as they conflict and cause myriad of problems including AM4.

It looks like not 15 but 1.5years in the trade. Also the boot process, everyone and their dog forgets the third player. It not only AMD and the board vendor. It the modular nature of AMI ALASKA and their toolset where you compile the BIOS, so it is actually a communication in between these 3 to fix some sort of BIOS issues. I've had core BIOS problems in past, where the solution was to recompile the BIOS is newer, more bugfixed ALASKA base. It was untested, thus it explains why they are not so hasty doing it, as you simply can break more.

Well the morale of the day... AUTO does not mean stock. It has never been like that actually. You have know your stuff and dial in the needed values.

Regarding GPU's... a 500$ GPU for FHD gaming? Get a console for that. It should cost 300$.

AMD/Intel need to start enforcing vendors offer a stock option (and also make that the default shipping state), like you said I dont trust auto, as I know it can very away from spec.

 

[docnorth]

Oligopoly and cartel are different things tho.

Looking at 4000 and 7000 series, Nvidia and AMD act as a cartel. This changes sometimes looking at AMD 6000 series, mostly in the USA market.

 

[Gica]

Sorry, this is utter nonsense. I am sure you will find one or two demanding games, such as Cyberpunk, that run a bit lower fps, but oh boy, please check basic facts before you post another embarrassing comment.

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Who cares about average fps for 15-20 games? You follow the results in the titles that interest you, and hijacking the meaning of the discussion is a mess on your part. We are strictly talking about those titles where even the 4090 cannot exceed 100 fps in 4K and barely crosses the threshold in 1440p. In these titles, middle-maintream models from 2020-2021 offer you the IGP experience in very high detail. If the game is shooter or action, 60 fps average, with low at 50 fps or below, is a big shit. You can play in such conditions, I'm not interested.

Hardware U? They have no peace since AMD ordered the sheep to focus on the amount of vRAM. What matters CUDA, NVENC, DLSS, Content Creation and others where AMD does not equal nVidia. Everyone must focus on vRAM because they will play in 10 years at 30 fps and the others, "greens", at 15 fps.

 

[kapone32]

Who cares about average fps for 15-20 games? You follow the results in the titles that interest you, and hijacking the meaning of the discussion is a mess on your part. We are strictly talking about those titles where even the 4090 cannot exceed 100 fps in 4K and barely crosses the threshold in 1440p. In these titles, middle-maintream models from 2020-2021 offer you the IGP experience in very high detail. If the game is shooter or action, 60 fps average, with low at 50 fps or below, is a big shit. You can play in such conditions, I'm not interested.

Please provide context for your assertion.

 

[Gica]

Please provide context for your assertion.

I really have to explain so that the children can understand. It is rumored that a statistician with a height of 1.7m drowned in a river with an average depth of 1.5m.
Did you get the idea?

If not, add to the result of the capture any game you want in which the 6900XT outputs 100 fps in 4K and you will have an average of 70+ fps. Great, right? Or not, if your favorite game is The Last of US.

 

[kapone32]

I really have to explain so that the children can understand. It is rumored that a statistician with a height of 1.7m drowned in a river with an average depth of 1.5m.
Did you get the idea?

List the Games that you claim the cards you are attacking are suffering, not some introspective analogy. These are not toys and to disparage something that you may have no experience with is wrong on so many levels.

 

[Gica]

List the Games that you claim the cards you are attacking are suffering, not some introspective analogy. These are not toys and to disparage something that you may have no experience with is wrong on so many levels.

Not. I don't have all the games and all the video cards. Instead, I have the reviews, except for HU "AMD lovers".

You have an example above. All the games in which the 4090 does not reach 100 fps in 4k cause big problems for middle-mainstream video cards, and the older ones are totally outdated. To brag about a lot of memory on the video card, demonstrating with 50 fps in titles that require a minimum of 100 fps, is snobbery.

 

[kapone32]

Not. I don't have all the games and all the video cards. Instead, I have the reviews, except for HU "AMD lovers".

You have an example above. All the games in which the 4090 does not reach 100 fps in 4k cause big problems for middle-mainstream video cards, and the older ones are totally outdated. To brag about a lot of memory on the video card, demonstrating with 50 fps in titles that require a minimum of 100 fps, is snobbery.

Games require 100 FPS? I only use reviews? I exclude some review sites because they have information I don't like. Calling HU an AMD Fanboy is so far from the truth it's laughable. The other thing you don't appreciate is hardware does not remain static vs day one reviews. You don't have AMD so I will educate you. AMD driver support is so good that a card that is 6 years old is still plenty good for 1080P. AMD is also faster when you pair an AMD CPU with an AMD GPU. The release of 7000 series best feature was price pressure on 6000 and those cards are selling quite well as a result. When the 6700XT goes to $300 Canadian it will sell like hotcakes too. As much as you believe your own narrative the truth is much less black and white. Just look at the What Would you Buy Poll on TPU.