New Generation of AMD Threadripper "Storm Peak" Mentioned on CPU-Z

[Fouquin]

CPUID recently released version 2.06 of the globally popular free CPU-Z utility which includes updates to support reporting of a variety of recent or obscure CPU and GPU models. Intel's "Alder Lake-N", AMD's recently released "Dragon Range" mobile Zen 4 processors, Zhoaxin's KH-40000 and KX-6000G, and of course NVIDIA's RTX 4060 Ti as well as AMD's RX 7600. Most interesting of all is a small addition down at the very bottom of the list, "Preliminary support for AMD Storm Peak platform." "Storm Peak" is AMD's yet to be announced Ryzen Threadripper 7000 series which will feature "Zen 4" and hopefully heat up competition in the HEDT market. No detailed specifications or information on SKUs have been released yet with "Storm Peak" expected to receive a proper announcement sometime in Q3 2023. The mention on CPU-Z suggests that the platform is nearing market readiness, and possibly that the folks at CPUID have been seeded samples or specifications to prepare with. Threadripper 7000 is expected to be released on yet another new socket, TR5, and has been rumored to be coming in both HEDT and workstation variants.

Intel brought competition to the HEDT market for the first time in nearly 4 years with the release of their Sapphire Rapids Xeon W range of processors back in February. Xeon W features unlocked SKUs tackling AMD's Threadripper 5000 series from top to bottom; going as high as the 56-core Xeon w9-3495X at a blistering $5,889 USD to as low as ~$1,000 USD for the 12-core Xeon w5-2455X. Intel also interspersed some lower cost locked SKUs to allow system integrators to offer the new platform as workstations to the prosumer market that generally cares little about overclocking. With Intel competing directly with Threadripper again it was expected that it wouldn't be long before AMD would be cooking up a response with their latest and greatest.



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[Chaitanya]

Is it really going to be threadripper or its another Pro situation? Also watched review of Intel system(LevelOne) and they are stupidly power hungry for what they offer(at stock and even mild overclocks push them beyond limits).

 

[ZoneDymo]

Is it really going to be threadripper or its another Pro situation? Also watched review of Intel system(LevelOne) and they are stupidly power hungry for what they offer(at stock and even mild overclocks push them beyond limits).

Its been a minute...so I hope they put on a good show over at AMD....but I doubt it

 

[beedoo]

Been waiting since 2018 to upgrade; let's hope the HEDT Threadripper materialises - I'm ready.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

Its been a minute...so I hope they put on a good show over at AMD....but I doubt it

Doubt it? AMD's x86 division hasn't really disappointed since the release of ryzen, so I think they'll deliver based on historical precedent. I get that everybody is upset with the X399 to Threadripper Pro "transition", but I'm willing to bet AMD will release a true x399 successor (meaning that it is not a "pro" version and is directed at consumers/enthusiasts) with the Zen4 architecture.

...can't imagine Intel has anything that could compete with a 96 core Zen4 Threadripper(whether or not AMD will go as high as 96 core in a consumer HEDT platform is another question though, they might top it off at 64 core and then have anything higher on the threadripper "pro" linup), ...only exception would be that Intel can pull out some niche "wins" in specific workloads that use the specific accelerators they've added.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

From what I read and saw most people wanted Threadrippers due to the PCI-E lanes that you got vs Desktop

Having the ability to have things like external NICs (10,25,50gb+) multiple GPUs, Multiple NVME drives on top of the inbuilt etc etc etc

I dont actually think most people who went over to the x399 platform originally went for the top end CPUs but actaully went for the ones that were the same core counts as the desktop were capable of.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ah intels planned obsolescence by having 56 cores...

 

[Wirko]

...can't imagine Intel has anything that could compete with a 96 core Zen4 Threadripper(whether or not AMD will go as high as 96 core in a consumer HEDT platform is another question though, they might top it off at 64 core and then have anything higher on the threadripper "pro" linup)

The usefulness of 96 cores, even 64 cores, is dubious when the platform has a total of 4 memory channels (256 bits) available.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Doubt it? AMD's x86 division hasn't really disappointed since the release of ryzen, so I think they'll deliver based on historical precedent. I get that everybody is upset with the X399 to Threadripper Pro "transition", but I'm willing to bet AMD will release a true x399 successor (meaning that it is not a "pro" version and is directed at consumers/enthusiasts) with the Zen4 architecture.

...can't imagine Intel has anything that could compete with a 96 core Zen4 Threadripper(whether or not AMD will go as high as 96 core in a consumer HEDT platform is another question though, they might top it off at 64 core and then have anything higher on the threadripper "pro" linup), ...only exception would be that Intel can pull out some niche "wins" in specific workloads that use the specific accelerators they've added.

You may just have a hard time convincing buyers of the TRX40 platform of that. Fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice, shame on me. You saying "X399 to Threadripper Pro transition" alone shows precisely what I'm talking about.

The usefulness of 96 cores, even 64 cores, is dubious when the platform has a total of 4 memory channels (256 bits) available.

Well it's likely DDR5 and 256-bit would be octa DDR5 (as it's 2*32-bit/stick), but still, agreed

 

[eidairaman1]

The usefulness of 96 cores, even 64 cores, is dubious when the platform has a total of 4 memory channels (256 bits) available.

The usefulness of 96 cores, even 64 cores, is dubious when the platform has a total of 4 memory channels (256 bits) available.

Considering the pro line has Octo channel vs quad channel

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

So TRX40 is dead, didn't have much long-term support then. (nice failure of support AMD) There is 0 point to release a TR5 with 64 pci-express lanes. WRX80/Threadripper Pro proved that people will pay more if the option for more lanes & memory is there. From what I've seen many people run up against the 256GBs ram limit on TRX40 anyways, which is usually the reason they ended up with an Intel cpu & board or just a much more expensive server system that supports beyond 256GBs of ram.

 

[freeagent]

are stupidly power hungry

HEDT has never cared for the environment..

 

[Wirko]

Considering the pro line has Octo channel vs quad channel

True. My comment was about the consumer HEDT platform, which I understand to be the non-pro TR.

There is 0 point to release a TR5 with 64 pci-express lanes. WRX80/Threadripper Pro proved that people will pay more if the option for more lanes & memory is there. From what I've seen many people run up against the 256GBs ram limit on TRX40 anyways

How so? 64 lanes is 3 GPUs plus some fast storage and/or networking, or 2 GPUs plus a lot of fast storage and networking. (I expect TR to have as good bifurcation abilities as Epyc does, which means up to nine PCIe 5 devices per each set of 16 lanes.)

 

[Minus Infinity]

Stormpeak releasing basically with EOL Zen 4 and Zen 5 is just around the corner in Q1 2024 and Intel releasing Emerald Rapids Q4 this year.

 

[beedoo]

HEDT has never cared for the environment..

Not really a problem when you produce 100% of your own electricity.

 

[Daven]

Stormpeak releasing basically with EOL Zen 4 and Zen 5 is just around the corner in Q1 2024 and Intel releasing Emerald Rapids Q4 this year.

AMD does not release all SKUs on day one of a new architecture launch. Zen 5 TR could come up to a year later or get skipped altogether. I recommend buying what you need in the immediate future and not continue to delay until some perfect release schedule. Such a thing does not exist. There is always something else around the corner. You will drive yourself mad constantly turning around them.

 

[ValenOne]

So TRX40 is dead, didn't have much long-term support then. (nice failure of support AMD) There is 0 point to release a TR5 with 64 pci-express lanes. WRX80/Threadripper Pro proved that people will pay more if the option for more lanes & memory is there. From what I've seen many people run up against the 256GBs ram limit on TRX40 anyways, which is usually the reason they ended up with an Intel cpu & board or just a much more expensive server system that supports beyond 256GBs of ram.

TRX40 is a PCIe 4.0-era chipset that was scaled from the AM4 X570-era chipset.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

TRX40 is a PCIe 4.0-era chipset that was scaled from the AM4 X570-era chipset.

No it isn't. it's mostly off the I/O chiplet as the other 64 lanes are disable, because there aren't any connections to it.
The chipset on WRX80 is mostly pointless with the number of pci-express lanes your given.

 

[eidairaman1]

True. My comment was about the consumer HEDT platform, which I understand to be the non-pro TR.


How so? 64 lanes is 3 GPUs plus some fast storage and/or networking, or 2 GPUs plus a lot of fast storage and networking. (I expect TR to have as good bifurcation abilities as Epyc does, which means up to nine PCIe 5 devices per each set of 16 lanes.)

Who knows I may piece meal a TR5 together...

 

[ValenOne]

No it isn't. iI's off the EPCY dies as the other 64 lanes are disable, because there aren't any connections to it.

Wrong. Socket sTRX4 and chipset TRX40's PCIe 4.0 signaling design is based on X570's PCIe 4.0 signaling design. "Zen 2" introduced PCIe 4.0 for AMD platforms.
Socket sTRX4 supports quad 64-bit memory channels.

Socket sWRX8 (supports Zen 2 and Zen 3-based SKUs) is also PCIe 4.0 signaling design similar to X570's PCIe 4.0 signaling design.
Socket sWRX8 supports eight 64-bit memory channels.

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Zen 4, Socket AM5(desktop), and Socket SP5 (Epyc) are for PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 generation for AMD platforms.

 

[AlwaysHope]

Not really a problem when you produce 100% of your own electricity.

Would not the environmental considerations depend on how the electricity is generated?

 

[Wirko]

Wrong. Socket sTRX4 and chipset TRX40's PCIe 4.0 signaling design is based on X570's PCIe 4.0 signaling design. "Zen 2" introduced PCIe 4.0 for AMD platforms.
Socket sTRX4 supports quad 64-bit memory channels.

Socket sWRX8 (supports Zen 2 and Zen 3-based SKUs) is also PCIe 4.0 signaling design similar to X570's PCIe 4.0 signaling design.
Socket sWRX8 supports eight 64-bit memory channels.

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Zen 4, Socket AM5(desktop), and Socket SP5 (Epyc) are for PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 generation for AMD platforms.

In Ryzen systems, it's a known fact that AMD reused the I/O die for the X570 chipset. Did they do the same with any of the Epyc/TR chipsets?

 

[Minus Infinity]

AMD does not release all SKUs on day one of a new architecture launch. Zen 5 TR could come up to a year later or get skipped altogether. I recommend buying what you need in the immediate future and not continue to delay until some perfect release schedule. Such a thing does not exist. There is always something else around the corner. You will drive yourself mad constantly turning around them.

Well thanks captain obvious. The point is why would you pay nearly Epyc pricing for a CPU that is about to be superseded. For the insane money they ask you should be getting it quite early on in the cpu cycle to get a better payback. AMD chooses to play stupid games with TR.

 

[DarthJedi]

I've bought a great 3990X getting a very nice workstation with 64 cores and enough RAM (256) that enabled me to have many NVMe drives, GPUs and a 40GbE NIC. Then I've bought a second one and a third one. We ended up with 7 Threadripper machines and many new builds were AMD Zen 3.

AMD lied to me and then doubled the price, adding memory channels and PCIE lanes, but still, killing my upgrade path and forcing double the price. Then ignored us as customers.

I know I might not be relevant with my small company, but for the reason AMD did what they did, since then all of my new 57 machines for all my developers were Intel Core.
All of our GPUs (90 units) were Nvidia.

Even if AMD releases a better Threadripper this time, our first purchase of 2024 Q1 budget will be 56-core Xeons. So far it looks to be 5 of those 3990X replaced with 3 more probable. Yes, I am aware they fall into Pro and more expensive bracket and worse performance than the Threadripper 7000.
But I don't care. As small as statement that is, it is one from my perspective. Half a million dollars is not much for AMD, but it will go to Intel's account.

 

[KLMR]

I've bought a great 3990X getting a very nice workstation with 64 cores and enough RAM (256) that enabled me to have many NVMe drives, GPUs and a 40GbE NIC. Then I've bought a second one and a third one. We ended up with 7 Threadripper machines and many new builds were AMD Zen 3.

AMD lied to me and then doubled the price, adding memory channels and PCIE lanes, but still, killing my upgrade path and forcing double the price. Then ignored us as customers.

I know I might not be relevant with my small company, but for the reason AMD did what they did, since then all of my new 57 machines for all my developers were Intel Core.
All of our GPUs (90 units) were Nvidia.

Even if AMD releases a better Threadripper this time, our first purchase of 2024 Q1 budget will be 56-core Xeons. So far it looks to be 5 of those 3990X replaced with 3 more probable. Yes, I am aware they fall into Pro and more expensive bracket and worse performance than the Threadripper 7000.
But I don't care. As small as statement that is, it is one from my perspective. Half a million dollars is not much for AMD, but it will go to Intel's account.

Similar situation here. Youtubers may forget, but I won't forget STRX40.
I leave TR for very specific situations (where is a no brainer) which is limited thanks to "small" epycs.
I don't recommend it either and I explain why. I spit some PR bullshit from xeon pro-sellers I get branded workstations and move on.
TR (1,2 and 3...) was a great platform for affordable modular out-of-big-brands workstations, I feel like they killed their own market.