ASUS & AsRock Motherboards Updated with BIOS Support for Intel 14th Gen Core

[T0@st]

Momomo_us posted on Twitter about their finding of a BIOS firmware update for an Intel chipset motherboard from AsRock, others soon pointed out that ASUS had quietly revised a higher-end model as well. Both boards share the same socket platform - LGA 1700 - and currently support Team Blue's 13th Gen Raptor Lake CPU series, but new details presented on pages for the ROG Maximus Z790 APEX and B760M PG Sonic WiFi suggests that these models are pre-prepared for the (still heavily rumored) launch of Raptor Lake Refresh. The changelogs for their respective BIOS updates mention "compatibility for the next-gen" and "support for next-generation" processors. TPU community member, Nater, has pointed out that his ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI board is also eligible for 14th gen support.

Leaks suggest that the Intel 14th Gen Core lineup is expected to launch around October time this year. Raptor Lake Refresh is likely going to serve as a sort of interim release, since insiders think that desktop Meteor Lake-S SKUs are no longer on the menu, and a full-fledged next-gen upgrade - Arrow Lake-S - is not due until Q4 2024 or Q1 2025. Not much is known about how much more performant the RPL refresh will be when compared to the existing range, but more leaks are expected in the coming months. Mobile Meteor Lake examples have been spotted in the wild recently, in official and less official capacities, so keep your eyes peeled.




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[Battler624]

3 Generations on 1 socket? noice.

 

[ixi]

3 Generations on 1 socket? noice.

Refresh of refresh while refreshing the refresh

 

[Why_Me]

Looking forward to this. Hopefully this isn't a bust.

 

[Nater]

Looks like my Z790 Creator has it as well. Here I thought I bought a dead end rig and wasted money.

 

[T0@st]

Looks like my Z790 Creator has it as well. Here I thought I bought a dead end rig and wasted money.

Cheers for the tip. Added to the article.

 

[persondb]

Refresh of refresh while refreshing the refresh

To be fair, Raptor Lake isn't that much of a refresh. There were plenty of changes, like a new refinement of the process, small iteration over Golden Cove(Raptor Cove), more L2 cache for both big and small cores...

I would say that the changes were significant enough to not warrant being called a refresh. Generally, it's a refresh when you basically re-release the same die as a different product, with maybe some things enabled that weren't before and small clock bump, like what AMD did to Renoir and Lucienne(or Cezanne and Barcelo).

Though, part of the 13th gen lineup is basically a refresh of Alder Lake, e.g. 13400 which is just Alder Lake dies being reused.

From the looks of it, it sounds like they are going to reuse Raptor Lake for 14th gen though.

 

[bonehead123]

Refresh of refresh while refreshing the refresh

Kinda like the gov't proposing to do/fund a feasibility study to see if it would be feasible to do feasibility study on this or that thing by someone sometime somewhere somehow, hehehe

 

[mechtech]

Sonic mobo..............nice

 

[tussinman]

To be fair, Raptor Lake isn't that much of a refresh. There were plenty of changes, like a new refinement of the process, small iteration over Golden Cove(Raptor Cove), more L2 cache for both big and small cores...

I would say that the changes were significant enough to not warrant being called a refresh. Generally, it's a refresh when you basically re-release the same die as a different product, with maybe some things enabled that weren't before and small clock bump, like what AMD did to Renoir and Lucienne(or Cezanne and Barcelo).

Though, part of the 13th gen lineup is basically a refresh of Alder Lake, e.g. 13400 which is just Alder Lake dies being reused.

From the looks of it, it sounds like they are going to reuse Raptor Lake for 14th gen though.

Agreed. Raptor lake if I remember correctly was at least a double digit increase on every front (single thread performance, number of cores, threads, better ram support).

When I think refresh I think like Ryzen 1600 vs 2600 and Intel 8600k vs 9600k (basically the same exact chip)

 

[chrcoluk]

They bumped small core count as well on raptor lake, my 13700k has same amount of cores as 12900k.

 

[Wirko]

Though, part of the 13th gen lineup is basically a refresh of Alder Lake, e.g. 13400 which is just Alder Lake dies being reused.

From the looks of it, it sounds like they are going to reuse Raptor Lake for 14th gen though.

Maybe they'll also extend the use of Raptor Lake die to the i3 and i5 non-K processors.

 

[Why_Me]

Maybe they'll also extend the use of Raptor Lake die to the i3 and i5 non-K processors.

This ^^ ... I would like to see a better version of the 13400 / 13400F.

 

[Lionheart]

I mainly clicked on this for the Sonic motherboard, it does look nice & I ain't even a huge Sonic fan. Dayum I'd buy into raptor lake rn if I wasn't already on AM5.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Rumoured 8P+12E core version possibly 14800 could be nice. If they use the DLVR and can cut power say 20% I'd be tempted.

 

[Pumper]

Looks like my Z790 Creator has it as well. Here I thought I bought a dead end rig and wasted money.

Buying a mobo that is way more expensive than your CPU? oof

 

[Mussels]

This is good news, but the questions arise:

1. Does this mean there's little change between the CPUs?
2. Does this cut back the CPU's, and how? (PCI-E lanes, PCI-E gen, etc)



That sorta info lets us know how 12/13 will run on 14th gen boards - nothing more fun than getting complaints from a client who slapped an older CPU into a newer board, and half the PCI-E lanes dont work

They bumped small core count as well on raptor lake, my 13700k has same amount of cores as 12900k.

TPU's 13700k review shows it to be about 5% faster than the 12900k while using about 5 watts less power, but also somehow being less power efficient in every single task
Kinda feels like they altered PL1/PL2 values and shuffled the product numbers around (so the old 129 is the new 137)

It even has the same power efficiency as the 12900K, so it genuinely does seem like the exact same CPU relabelled - to me that's a refresh, if the only new thing is renaming parts and shuffling power limits

 

[chrcoluk]

Did w1zzard ever do lower pl2 testing on the 13700k? I have seen people report at reduced pl2, there is a gap over alder lake.

 

[Nater]

Buying a mobo that is way more expensive than your CPU? oof

It's waiting for a 14900KS!

(Every other board with 10Gbe and PD USB-C cost $100's more when I got it, the extra cores on the other CPU's are useless to me)

 

[Pumper]

It's waiting for a 14900KS!

(Every other board with 10Gbe and PD USB-C cost $100's more when I got it, the extra cores on the other CPU's are useless to me)

But you just said that you thought that you got a dead end platform, so that means that you did not know that this refresh will be a thing when you were buying the overpriced mobo.

 

[Mussels]

But you just said that you thought that you got a dead end platform, so that means that you did not know that this refresh will be a thing when you were buying the overpriced mobo.

He bought for features - that i can completely understand.
I spent $300 Au on my B550 ITX board, because it had features cheaper boards with the same gaming performance did not (more 10Gb USB ports, 2.5Gbe, wifi 6E) - not for any planned CPU upgrades in the future (of which there are like... two choices. 5950x or 5800x3D)

 

[Jim Hutchinson]

This is good news, but the questions arise:

1. Does this mean there's little change between the CPUs?
2. Does this cut back the CPU's, and how? (PCI-E lanes, PCI-E gen, etc)



That sorta info lets us know how 12/13 will run on 14th gen boards - nothing more fun than getting complaints from a client who slapped an older CPU into a newer board, and half the PCI-E lanes dont work


TPU's 13700k review shows it to be about 5% faster than the 12900k while using about 5 watts less power, but also somehow being less power efficient in every single task
Kinda feels like they altered PL1/PL2 values and shuffled the product numbers around (so the old 129 is the new 137)

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It even has the same power efficiency as the 12900K, so it genuinely does seem like the exact same CPU relabelled - to me that's a refresh, if the only new thing is renaming parts and shuffling power limits

The 13700K is an RPL die with Raptor Cove cores. You can also tell by the cache. The 12900K has 1.25MB L2 per core while the 13700K has 2MB L2 per core. They are physically different dies.