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Western Digital is Getting Ready to Launch the SN580 Blue NVMe SSD

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But I don't buy that. For one, we got plenty of M.2 2230 2TB drives before they offered us 4TB 2280 - an almost three times larger form factor!

Have you seen how ridiculously small the 2230 is? It covers the area usually taken just by the drive's controller!

Sure, but check the prices. Here, again, you pay dearly for that high concentration of bits and tall stacks of dies. The Teamgroup MP44S 2TB costs 215 EUR in Germany, and besides, that much money only buys you 450 TBW write endurance.

Well they could make 8tb drives easily in 2.5inch casing or on a pci-e slot drive.

The limitations are down to their own decisions.

I own currently 8 sata SSD's they would only be replaced with larger capacity models that match same durability/performance spec aka not QLC.

I own also 3 NVME SSDs, I think its a tough sell to me to replace an existing one with one that benches faster but has no real world benefit. The way to make me replace those again is higher capacity replacement without a nerf in existing metrics. This is especially the case for M.2, as M.2 is so expensive to place on a motherboard it has high real estate requirements, so limited M.2 slots means its basically high capacity only now for new M.2 purchases, my prime reason for the purchase of my DC-P4600 was the 2TB size to its cost.

It feels they pushing performance as the enticer to get enthusiasts to keep buying new models instead of capacity. I feel this is all linked to M.2 limitations. U.2 would have been so much better.

Image below to show limited board real estate for U.2 connectivity.



With U.2 drives been connected via cable it means the limitation for space is moved from the board to the case which is how it should be.
Right, U.2 is the way to go at the moment if you're looking for a 8 TB drive (or larger!).
 
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Guessing due to lack of competition in that space is the extreme price per gig for that SKU.

But you have also invalidated one of your previous replies as you have proven its possible by finding a released product, no extra stacking or more bits required.

16tb should be possible in SATA on TLC given we have a 8tb M.2. Just needs manufacturers willing to produce SSDs with more dies on them.
 

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Guessing due to lack of competition in that space is the extreme price per gig for that SKU.

But you have also invalidated one of your previous replies as you have proven its possible by finding a released product, no extra stacking or more bits required.

16tb should be possible in SATA on TLC given we have a 8tb M.2. Just needs manufacturers willing to produce SSDs with more dies on them.
I have invalidated nothing. Of course it's possible, but it requires NAND built using the most advanced tech available, so the price is out of most people's reach.
And while in SATA form factor there would be space to simply add more lower density chips instead, controllers can't handle too many of them (https://sabrent.com/blogs/storage/ssd-controllers).
 
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Well think what you want, you seem on an absolute mission to disagree with me, but what you said is there earlier in the thread. As well as replies to some others. That SSD exists so we know its possible and on TLC parts.
 
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