Meta Launches Threads to Take on Twitter

[R0H1T]

The blurred lines between legitimate news sources and made up crap on social media has proven just how powerful disinformation is (sadly).

Anyone taking their news (just) from social media should probably stop browsing the internet, having said that IMO all news is biased these days whether to a small extent or Alex Jones level complete BS

 

[Deleted member 229121]

^ I agree, but it's obvious that many millions of Americans do just that unfortunately.
Any platform on any media outlet should be held accountable for disseminating disinformation; it is critical, now more than ever.

 

[Vayra86]

Elon Musk Didn’t Just Do Turkey’s Bidding. Censoring for Strongmen Is Now a Pattern.

Free speech—unless a country doesn’t really do free speech.

slate.com

Twitter today is literally censorship as a service. Turkey, India, etc. etc. Every government order of censorship Elon Musk has 100% complied with.

Twitter in 2021 did NOT comply with government requests of censorship (or at least, didn't comply with all of them. I think it was like 50%ish?) . This 100% compliance with the censors is a new thing starting in 2022 after the Elon Musk purchase.

Twitter Has Complied With Almost Every Government Request For Censorship Since Musk Took Over, Report Finds

The social media platform has not reported denying any government requests since Musk bought it, a change from its previous ownership.

www.forbes.com

Twitter is quickly becoming "Free Speech for Pro-Musk, Pro-Turkey, Pro-India, Pro-China" only. There's a pattern with the bans that's quite disturbing.

Also what the hell is this? Is he on LSD?

Shave, dude, SHAVE
Looking like a bum isn't good style, but I guess this is like the owner slowly starting to look like its dog... You own the gutter, you dress to match.

Even Zucker is like..

...and now I can't sleep proper tonight. Damn

Anyone taking their news (just) from social media should probably stop browsing the internet, having said that IMO all news is biased these days whether to a small extent or Alex Jones level complete BS

Quality news papers and proper journalism still works just fine. Perhaps not over the pond, but here in the Netherlands/EU? No issues whatsoever.
This is my go to... ever since I was 10. I think this news paper has taught me more about the world than school.

Volkskrant - Nieuws, achtergronden en columns

Het laatste nieuws met duiding van redacteuren, achtergronden, columns, opinie, wetenschap, en recensies van kunst & cultuur door de Volkskrant.

www.volkskrant.nl

I've also seen this inside world of journalism for a while, as I was very close to 1995 Srebrenica and the missing photographs of mass executions/genocide... its nothing like what we see on social media. Not even remotely.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Also what the hell is this? Is he on LSD?

No, LSD is Peter Thiel.

... Elon is widely known to be on Ketamine. Kind of different, but not really. Yes, he's on psychadelics, so is almost everyone else in the Valley. Its California culture, unfortunately.

Magic Mushrooms. LSD. Ketamine. The Drugs That Power Silicon Valley.

Entrepreneurs including Elon Musk and Sergey Brin are part of a psychedelic movement that proponents hope will expand minds, enhance lives and produce business breakthroughs.

www.wsj.com

 

[Vayra86]

No, LSD is Peter Thiel.

... Elon is widely known to be on Ketamine. Kind of different, but not really.

Really? Hah. Kinda explains a few things

 

[dragontamer5788]

Really? Hah. Kinda explains a few things

It explains a lot with the current VCs, more than I wanted.

Ex: everyone calling the lying AI's "hallucinating AIs" instead. Either word works for me, but since all these VCs / CEOs are on LSD / psychedelics of all kinds, they see "hallucinating AIs" as a god damn feature and thinks its going to improve their creativity or something.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Already announced the data harvesting they going to do with it, fair play they sensed a chance and have jumped on it, nice idea to integrate instagram user base so dont need to build one up.

Turns out you can't install Threads unless you already have an Instagram account.

And apparently you can’t delete your Threads account without also having to take an ax to your Instagram account too. How’s that for buy-in?

And honestly, folks wouldn’t have gone to social media for news if our reputable sources didn’t fail us so badly. Trust in the press is abysmal. There are sources that do a good job of not injecting their opinions and bias, but they are not common. Much of it is showmanship and “first post”ism. The more they can incite us and keep us afraid, the more lucrative it is for them. Heck, now we have “articles” that are basically just reposts of people’s social media reactions to something. What sort of lazy crap is that?

 

[the54thvoid]

And apparently you can’t delete your Threads account without also having to take an ax to your Instagram account too. How’s that for buy-in?

And honestly, folks wouldn’t have gone to social media for news if our reputable sources didn’t fail us so badly. Trust in the press is abysmal. There are sources that do a good job of not injecting their opinions and bias, but they are not common. Much of it is showmanship and “first post”ism. The more they can incite us and keep us afraid, the more lucrative it is for them. Heck, now we have “articles” that are basically just reposts of people’s social media reactions to something. What sort of lazy crap is that?

Marketeers realised people are dumb and want sensationalism. They gave the majority what they wanted.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Marketeers realised people are dumb and want sensationalism. They gave the majority what they wanted.

Who do those marketers work for? Who does Social Media work for? How did Newspapers get money before?

Social Media is superior for the advertising business as a means of controlling the masses and subtly getting us to believe in various marketers. They pay top-dollar to Facebook because Facebook is the best in the market for changing people's opinions and effective marketing.

Its not that people's trust in newspapers died. Its that the advertising money on Newspapers died as Newspapers have proven themselves to be less effective. No one paid for news, it was all advertising even back in the 80s or 90s that paid Newspaper's bills. Same with TV-news, it was all funded by ads, and that ad money has shifted to Social Media. Online shills work.

Facebook recognizes this reality, for better or worse. Twitter does not and has pissed off the advertisers. We all know where this will go. $100+ Billions of advertising money supports one of these new networks, while the other barely had $5 Billion/year and that was before Elon Musk pissed off the advertisers. The financial death of Twitter is basically assured by now. That being said, Twitter's ability to change people's minds is still pretty powerful, but its still a fraction of the strength compared to the true big-wigs (Facebook, Google) of the Ad-tech industry.

 

[Why_Me]

He's not anymore, that's for sure. What was described was a major ethics violation.


No, that's called an ethics violation. You've got a warped view here man.


It shows. Everyone but your type is leaving, so enjoy your newfound echo chamber.

It was company emails on a company server, not private email accounts. No ethics violation.

And then he banned that guy (Matt?) because he's such a thin skinned megalomaniac!

Not really 100% true IMO but it's not any better after Musk took over.

Tiabi was promoting another social media on Twitter ... I believe it was substack although tbh I've seen plenty of articles on twitter that are linked to substack and they weren't banned so there's probably more to it.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

It was company emails on a company server, not private email accounts. No ethics violation.

Yep, what’s on company hardware and transmitted over company accounts is properly of the company. I can’t believe the higher ups would put anything like that in an email. Sheesh, they tell you everything you do on a work machine can be monitored, and it doesn’t even require that much effort anymore.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Also what the hell is this? Is he on LSD?

Shave, dude, SHAVE
Looking like a bum isn't good style, but I guess this is like the owner slowly starting to look like its dog... You own the gutter, you dress to match.

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Even Zucker is like..
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...and now I can't sleep proper tonight. Damn


Quality news papers and proper journalism still works just fine. Perhaps not over the pond, but here in the Netherlands/EU? No issues whatsoever.
This is my go to... ever since I was 10. I think this news paper has taught me more about the world than school.

Volkskrant - Nieuws, achtergronden en columns

Het laatste nieuws met duiding van redacteuren, achtergronden, columns, opinie, wetenschap, en recensies van kunst & cultuur door de Volkskrant.

www.volkskrant.nl

I've also seen this inside world of journalism for a while, as I was very close to 1995 Srebrenica and the missing photographs of mass executions/genocide... its nothing like what we see on social media. Not even remotely.

Let's hope they're extra special at MMA and manage a double kill when they fight each other, please tell me Google shit news wasn't lieing about that,, oh how society would grieve, pair of asshats,

I may die alone and speak to no one ever again, but.
Better that then sign up for a single bit of Meta tat.

No Ty.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Let's hope they're extra special at MMA and manage a double kill when they fight each other, please tell me Google shit news wasn't lieing about that,, oh how society would grieve, pair of asshats,

I may die alone and speak to no one ever again, but.
Better that then sign up for a single bit of Meta tat.

No Ty.

The MMA fight just shows how influential they are and how much attention seeking they can get on an obviously piece of bullshit.

They don't care about the fight. They just like seeing people talk about them online and seeing how many heads they can turn.

 

[Why_Me]

Day one of Zuckerberg's chat and the censorship is hard and heavy. Not surprised in the least after experiencing Facebook. This is META all over again .. it's going to die within a year.

 

[R-T-B]

It was company emails on a company server, not private email accounts. No ethics violation.

I'm sure they completed consented to disclosure too... /s

Pretty sure you don't even care, but that does show how detatched from reality you really are if so.

Tiabi was promoting another social media on Twitter ... I believe it was substack although tbh I've seen plenty of articles on twitter that are linked to substack and they weren't banned so there's probably more to it

Do me a favor, try creating a Mastadon account, put it in your profile and see how long you last. I think you'll be shocked. Fun fact, Mastadon even has conservative bubble worlds you'd be likely to love.

They don't care about the fight. They just like seeing people talk about them online and seeing how many heads they can turn.

The thing I don't get is why Musk frickin canceled citing his MOM. That's sort of out of character even for him... lol.

Day one of Zuckerberg's chat and the censorship is hard and heavy. Not surprised in the least after experiencing Facebook. This is META all over again .. it's going to die within a year.

It's really ironic to hear you say that when most people these days consider facebook largely a conservative trollville. Let me guess (or not) how you feel about reddit.

 

[Why_Me]

I'm sure they completed consented to disclosure too... /s

Pretty sure you don't even care, but that does show how detatched from reality you really are if so.


Do me a favor, try creating a Mastadon account, put it in your profile and see how long you last. I think you'll be shocked. Fun fact, Mastadon even has conservative bubble worlds you'd be likely to love.


The thing I don't get is why Musk frickin canceled citing his MOM. That's sort of out of character even for him... lol.

It's really ironic to hear you say that when most people these days consider facebook largely a conservative trollville. Let me guess (or not) how you feel about reddit.

Have you ever looked into who makes up the circle of Facebook fact checkers? No you haven't. Pamela Karlan was head fact checker at Facebook until recently. That pretty much sums up Facebook in a nutshell and yes I've had a FB account since 2008.

Meanwhile those fun loving ex Twitter employees who couldn't do enough for the government are back in the news. Musk vs Zuckerberg

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1677027130847162370

 

[dragontamer5788]

Have you ever looked into who makes up the circle of Facebook fact checkers?

The dude you're replying to is mostly talking about Mastodon and Elon Musk.

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Speaking of Elon Musk, remember the last court case he did? Something about not thinking it was legal for him to be forced into buying Twitter? How did that work out? Elon Musk is a nightmare client with regards to court and law. I'm going to bet against Elon Musk from here on out in the courts. He's completely insane.

We all know that Facebook stole Mastodon code to make Threads. They didn't steal from Twitter, because they were too busy stealing from Mastodon. The case has no merit at all, and will likely be dropped as Twitter doesn't have enough money for lawyers right now anyway. (https://www.reuters.com/legal/litig...ds-ex-workers-legal-cases-lawsuit-2023-07-03/)

 

[Vayra86]

Day one of Zuckerberg's chat and the censorship is hard and heavy. Not surprised in the least after experiencing Facebook. This is META all over again .. it's going to die within a year.

It sounds like at least you believe it. Does it help to keep repeating it, does it keep the illusion up for you?

It doesn't for anyone else...

 

[Colddecked]

It was company emails on a company server, not private email accounts. No ethics violation.

If there was some nefarious plot to influence Twitter to discriminate against conservatives you would think the deep state would hide their tracks a wee bit better.

Anyways, so what if Biden's campaign threatened twitter there would be consequences if Hunter's dick pick was released and spread throughout their system? That's the least Joe could do to protect his son's privacy. The only ethics violations are from the people who want to release that.

Have you ever looked into who makes up the circle of Facebook fact checkers? No you haven't. Pamela Karlan was head fact checker at Facebook until recently. That pretty much sums up Facebook in a nutshell and yes I've had a FB account since 2008.

Meanwhile those fun loving ex Twitter employees who couldn't do enough for the government are back in the news. Musk vs Zuckerberg

Those fun loving ex twitter employees that Elon fired and didnt pay severence to. You believe those people shouldnt be able to get a job?

 

[Why_Me]

If there was some nefarious plot to influence Twitter to discriminate against conservatives you would think the deep state would hide their tracks a wee bit better.

Anyways, so what if Biden's campaign threatened twitter there would be consequences if Hunter's dick pick was released and spread throughout their system? That's the least Joe could do to protect his son's privacy. The only ethics violations are from the people who want to release that.


Those fun loving ex twitter employees that Elon fired and didnt pay severence to. You believe those people shouldnt be able to get a job?

There's hours of film footage of the Congressional hearings with ex twitter execs along with printed emails so we can skip the 'what if'. That ship has sailed.

 

[Colddecked]

Hours of footage of hearings? If there was anything of substance we wouldnt hear the end of it. But you only vaguely reference hours of hearings with no specifics. Tells me everything I need to know.

Also, I wasn't saying what if... I said SO what if, as in what did you expect Biden to do, sit idlily by while people pass pictures of his sons privates amongst themselves and to the public? He's a father trying to protect his son's privacy. If he didn't do at least that much, people would just criticize him that he didn't fight for or stand up for his kids.

 

[Vayra86]

Yep, we're down the rabbit hole Hilarious

A few pages on and the world is flat, led by reptiles, etc.

 

[Why_Me]

Hours of footage of hearings? If there was anything of substance we wouldnt hear the end of it. But you only vaguely reference hours of hearings with no specifics. Tells me everything I need to know.

Also, I wasn't saying what if... I said SO what if, as in what did you expect Biden to do, sit idlily by while people pass pictures of his sons privates amongst themselves and to the public? He's a father trying to protect his son's privacy. If he didn't do at least that much, people would just criticize him that he didn't fight for or stand up for his kids.

Nobody cares about Hunter Biden's private parts. What's important is Twitter along with other social media sites colluded with the govt. in order to censor stories that they didn't want published and/or push the correct agenda RE covid, laptop, etc ... As far as their being repercussions from those hearings ... a federal judge recently ruled that the govt. is not allowed to collude with social media companies due to abuse of the 1st Amendment.

 

[Colddecked]

Nobody cares about Hunter Biden's private parts. What's important is Twitter along with other social media sites colluded with the govt. in order to censor stories that they didn't want published and/or push the correct agenda RE covid, laptop, etc ... As far as their being repercussions from those hearings ... a federal judge recently ruled that the govt. is not allowed to collude with social media companies due to abuse of the 1st Amendment.

Did that judge also find government specifically infringed on peoples 1st amendment rights? Because that last line of yours doesn't mean that there was any specific abuse, just that vaguely government shouldn't collude (what does that mean anyways, collude?) with social media companies...

 

[dragontamer5788]

Nobody cares about Hunter Biden's private parts. What's important is Twitter along with other social media sites colluded with the govt. in order to censor stories that they didn't want published and/or push the correct agenda RE covid, laptop, etc ... As far as their being repercussions from those hearings ... a federal judge recently ruled that the govt. is not allowed to collude with social media companies due to abuse of the 1st Amendment.

And then Elon Musk shadowbanned that guy personally.

So its not like even Elon Musk cared so much for what that guy was talking about. Even without government intervention, he was useless to Elon Musk and has been removed from Twitter. And that's the end of the story. No one gives a shit about it anymore.

So your assumption that Twitter is a bastion of free speech is... hilariously wrong. This is again, a company that's complying with Pro-Chinese / Pro-Indian / Pro-Turkey censorship policies now. They're literally and consistently working with government officials to censor the press today, right now, in elections (Turkey's Elections), etc. etc.

By all measurements, the problem you're talking about has gotten worse under Elon Musk. I've already posted the list of Government requests of censorship / other freedom of speech issues. Now other posters included that German requests are reasonable (and I'll agree with that. I support Germany determining its own history / censoring of Nazi images within the context of German law). But I definitely draw the line at the strong-man / pro-Turkey censorship going on Twitter today.

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BTW: Twitch allows streamers to talk about their Youtube videos. Youtubers are allowed to talk about Twitch. Why can't you talk about Substack on Twitter? Why can't you talk about Threads on Twitter? Is that really a banworthy infraction in your opinion?

Your sense of morals and justice is twisted. You're so pro-Elon that you can't even see the inconsistencies associated with your extremely pro-Elon / pro-Twitter perspective. Which is... standard. People go all fanboy crazy on the internet about lots of things. But hopefully my words can make you aware of the insane levels of support you're giving this asshole and his webpage.

Neither Elon Musk, nor the Twitter webpage, help freedom of speech advocates at all. Find a new perspective, find a new argument. Its a hilariously bad take to be trying to be a free-speech advocate (or pretend to be one) on this issue. Twitter's censorship literally aided in Erdogan's election. Twitter is a tool for governments today to control populations, even more-so than before.