Report Claims that Intel Raptor Lake Refresh Debuting in October

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Chinese tech tipster Enthusiast Citizen (ECSM) has once again posted about upcoming Intel CPU product launches—according to an inside info post (published via Bilibili), Team Blue has possibly scheduled their Raptor Lake Refresh/14th Gen Core K-series for a release window around the 42nd week of 2023 (October 17 - 23). ECSM posits that non-K models will arrive during the first week of 2024, coinciding with January's CES trade event. The Core i7-14700K model is said to feature a new configuration of 8 Performance and 12 Efficiency cores, and current LGA1700 motherboards will most likely require a firmware upgrade to run this specific SKU.

ECSM also seems to have insider information regarding motherboard chipsets for desktop Arrow Lake/15th Gen Core, although they cannot determine an accurate time frame for the (fully new) product launch. Intel Z890, B860 and H810 chipsets are named as possible upcoming candidates for proper next generation CPUs, with H870 allegedly dropped from development. ECSM claims that a competing AMD Zen 5 lineup is not arriving this year—prior insider information was perhaps fabricated. They believe that Storm Peak (Zen 4 Threadripper) is scheduled for Q4 2023, with two unnamed chipsets lined up to accompany this next-gen HEDT platform.




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[ZoneDymo]

hoping they bring the power consumption down a bit

 

[P4-630]

The Core i7-14700K model is said to feature a new configuration of 8 Performance and 12 Efficiency cores

Would be my last upgrade on socket 1700...

For now I'm still good with my i7 12700K.

 

[BorisDG]

I still don't understad why those CPUs should come every year like EA's FIFA... and not "cook" something better and release it like every 2-3 years.. just like GPUs. They are so boring and semi...

 

[pressing on]

I still don't understad why those CPUs should come every year like EA's FIFA... and not "cook" something better and release it like every 2-3 years.. just like GPUs. They are so boring and semi...

The Intel 12th (Alder Lake) and 13th gen (Raptor Lake) chips were released as K series around October/November and non-K including i3 and i5 models around January/February. So yes this rumour points to a repeat of that with 14th gen. Arguably for anything from 13600K upwards Raptor Lake was better than Alder Lake.

The change this time may be less, but it still gives those with Intel 600 and 700 series motherboards, subject to BIOS updates, the choice of what they want to do. And early 'next-gen processor' BIOS updates have already been issued by some vendors for some boards. This will give Intel a 3 year platform for the first time so again no complaints from existing owners. New buyers can take their choice. There is always the allure of the new...

 

[ir_cow]

hoping they bring the power consumption down a bit

Lol. I assume its going up. 6GHz

Arguably for anything from 13600K upwards Raptor Lake was better than Alder Lake.

Thats because the anything but the 13600, 13700 and 13900 are all 12th gen rebranded. I can see 14th gen i3 being the same 12th gen.

 

[freeagent]

I will punish my little ITX board with one of these if I can

 

[GoldenX]

So we're in Skylake repetitions again now...

 

[InVasMani]

We keep hear about 14700K, but I haven't seen mention of a 14900K or 14600K. I think the changes on 13700K to 14700K are just what it needed though. They could've taken a different path depending on who you ask I suppose, but it's positive change to keep it more in line with the direction on the rest of the product stack.

I suppose they probably could do something with a P core only unlocked chip though and maybe combine it with a more robust integrated GPU. I mean 10c or 12c K model P chip with a more beefy iGPU!!? I don't think their doing that, but it could probably fit within the product stack and have some appeal to it. Now a 4P/6P core unlocked chip with a lot beefier iGPU that would be neat to see.

Is Intel Deep Link basically their version of Nvidia Optimus or is it something a bit different and more complex/practical benefit!!?

 

[dj-electric]

I still don't understad why those CPUs should come every year like EA's FIFA... and not "cook" something better and release it like every 2-3 years.. just like GPUs. They are so boring and semi...

There's is no 1 team that develops all chips. There are multiple teams working on multiple generations of chips simultaneously.
Some of the engineers work on refinement gens, some work on next-gen

 

[GerKNG]

prepare for a whopping 1-3% performance gain and even less efficient cinebench accelerators.

 

[InVasMani]

Wifi 7 and better MB memory OC support at least. I imagine they've done some minor or moderate improvements upon the iGPU as well. I'm not expecting much on frequency uplift. Still a few hundred MHz isn't bad across so many cores. I think that's a fairly positive upside take away. The base frequency might go up a modest bit too if they've managed to make subtle refinements to push things a bit further w/o it getting out of hand on power and voltage requirements.

From a efficiency standpoint the 13900 non-K chip and the 13900T are impressive so the follows might be close to the 13900KF, but at those low power draw figures. If that's the case that's quite nice for a minor refresh with moderately low expectations.

 

[trparky]

hoping they bring the power consumption down a bit

Good luck with that.

Lol. I assume its going up. 6GHz

Yep.

From a efficiency standpoint the 13900 non-K chip and the 13900T are impressive

Efficiency and Intel are two words that don't belong in the same sentence.

 

[Daven]

Zen 5 and Arrow Lake will probably go head to head in 2024 H2.

Raptor Lake refresh is only going to be good for those on pre Zen 3 or pre Alder Lake platforms.

 

[Chaitanya]

hoping they bring the power consumption down a bit

Looking at the motherboards shown off at Computex for Refresh, its going to be worse than existing SKUs.

 

[trparky]

Looking at the motherboards shown off at Computex for Refresh, its going to be worse than existing SKUs.

So, will Intel be providing a nuclear power station style cooling tower to cool their CPUs? Because you're going to need it.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I still don't understad why those CPUs should come every year like EA's FIFA... and not "cook" something better and release it like every 2-3 years.. just like GPUs. They are so boring and semi...

Because when number go up, wallets go spinny.

Consoomers will see that number go up and shell out for the new chips, regardless if they are better. This is why AMD and Nvidia re-branded low end cards for years, to the point that fermi was being sold well in 2015.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Lol. I assume its going up. 6GHz


Thats because the anything but the 13600, 13700 and 13900 are all 12th gen rebranded. I can see 14th gen i3 being the same 12th gen.

Not quite, 13600K is 13th gen, 13600 is tweaked Alder Lake too.

Why wouldn't they call the 8+12 variant 14800?

We have xx400, xx500, xx600, xx700 and xx900. They now want to release a new never before seen core config and still call it xx700. Is there some bizarre superstitious problem with the number 8 in the US?

 

[trparky]

Is there some bizarre superstitious problem with the number 8 in the US?

I thought it was the number 13 that nobody liked. Hell, some elevators even skip that number.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I thought it was the number 13 that nobody liked. Hell, some elevators even skip that number.

Check your seat number next time you board a plane. Last one I was on, there was no row 13.

 

[dyonoctis]

So, will Intel be providing a nuclear power station style cooling tower to cool their CPUs? Because you're going to need it.

If you actually run the chips according to Intel specs, (PL1:125w PL2: 253w, rather than 4069w on PL1 and PL2 which is the default on every Z boards. And also disable MCE) it's actually manageable. A 240 AIO can cool a 13700k. Tinkerers who know how to undervolt can even go further, I've seen people cooling a 13900k with a low profile cooler, and still soundly beating a stock 13700k .
I agree that The PL2 can be brutal, but you are not supposed to run at that wattage beyond 1 minute.
Intel having to stay on 10nm is an issue, but boards manufacturers trying to get ahead of each other are also giving those chips a bad reputation.

 

[Midiamp]

So socket 1700 got three "generation" of processors? That's good news for me at least despite technically it's a blunder. Sure my 12700 can last more than 4-5 years for my computational needs, but an option to upgrade is always a welcome notion.

Not quite, 13600K is 13th gen, 13600 is tweaked Alder Lake too.

Why wouldn't they call the 8+12 variant 14800?

We have xx400, xx500, xx600, xx700 and xx900. They now want to release a new never before seen core config and still call it xx700. Is there some bizarre superstitious problem with the number 8 in the US?

Well, more likely Intel is keeping 8 for special product since they had i7-8086K, and pretty sure they will commemorate the 808 for the next 50th year of x86.

 

[Hyderz]

I still don't understad why those CPUs should come every year like EA's FIFA... and not "cook" something better and release it like every 2-3 years.. just like GPUs. They are so boring and semi...

Because amd took the performance/price crown with the 7800x3d, Intel won’t sit still

 

[lexluthermiester]

hoping they bring the power consumption down a bit

Agreed. They likely will, though a drop by about 10% is the best we should hope for.

 

[MKRonin]

What is an "extreme fan YY?"