Intel Core i5-14600K an 8P+8E Processor, Core i3 6P+0E, Core-Counts of Other SKUs Surface

[btarunr]

Intel is planning to aggressively step up CPU core counts of its 14th Gen Core "Raptor Lake Refresh" SKUs over the 13th Gen, to offer more value at given price-points, given that the IPC of these processors aren't seeing an increase, according to a report by RedGamingTech. We already reported that the 14th Gen Core i7 series, such as the i7-14700K, will come with a core-configuration of 8P+12E. It turns out that the Core i5-14600K will witness the first uplift in performance core-counts in over 4 years (since the i5-8600K). These chips will be 8P+8E, which entails 8 "Raptor Cove" Performance cores, and 8 "Gracemont" Efficiency cores. The i5-14600K is, for all intents and purposes, identical to the current Core i7-13700K, but with a touch lower maximum boost clocks, and more importantly, a lower price.

This doesn't mean that the entire 14th Gen Core i5 series has the same 8P+8E configuration. Intel has been sub-segmenting its Core i5 series for a few generations now, and the Core i5-14600K and i5-14600KF will be the only SKUs with 8P+8E. There will likely not be an "i5-14600" (non-K) SKU altogether, to avoid the kind of confusion that emerged between the 13th Gen i5-13600 and i5-13600K (lower L2 cache sizes for the non-K SKU). The Core i5-14500 and Core i5-14400 will be 6P+8E processors. It's likely that Intel will use the newer silicon that gives the P-cores of these two chips 2 MB of L2 cache per core instead of 1.25 MB, and their E-core clusters will each get 4 MB of L2 cache instead of 2 MB.



In a big move that's sure to shake up the entry-level, Intel is planning to give the 14th Gen Core i3 series a much needed core-count increase. These will be 6-core/12-thread processors—that's 6 P-cores, and zero E-cores. In essence, the 14th Gen Core i3 series will resemble the 12th Gen Core i5 non-K series processors that lacked E-cores, but which are still formidable for 1080p and 1440p gaming PC builds on a tight budget.

Lastly, in a piece of bad-ish news, the top-of-the-line 14th Gen Core i9 series will continue to be 8P+16E, just like the 13th Gen. Intel might try to dial up clock speeds of the Core i9-14900K a bit over that of the i9-13900K, but the company has already squeezed the most performance out of this die with the Limited Edition Core i9-13900KS, we doubt the i9-14900K will do any better.

Intel is expected to debut the 14th Gen Core "Raptor Lake Refresh" family in October 2023.

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[joemama]

6 cores for a i3, I wonder how many cores there will be for the CPUs ten years in the future

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Drop the useless e-cores and add more p-cores, or make the CPU more efficient.

 

[Crackong]

6 cores for a i3, I wonder how many cores there will be for the CPUs ten years in the future

4c8t 10GHz

 

[Hyderz]

Ooooo fascinating and let’s hope the price stays the same or just minor bump

 

[Dirt Chip]

Intel give away E cores like cookies to children

 

[dj-electric]

Intel give away E cores like cookies to children

From what it seems, its sub 150 dollar category also gets P cores. cookies or not, children or not, seems like this category is to stay blue camp cominant for quite a while longer.
six next-gen P-core configs for a processor really makes you wonder how gaming is going to scale from there upwards. Your starting point is already quite deep into diminishing returns

 

[A&P211]

Intel give away E cores like cookies to children

The ice truck people dont approve, Intel moving on their turf.

 

[Wirko]

If there are going to be new chips below the i3 (artists formerly known as Pentiom and Celerun), they'll almost certainly have to be 4C/8T and 4c/4T. That would be great.

 

[bug]

14600k could be a worthy upgrade over my 12600k. Not that I need it, but if the price is right, why not?
Is there an ETA for these? Nevermind, it's in the last line in the article.

 

[Bubster]

13900K is already running hot like a furnace, thermal limitations are a problem except for the few lucky people that can afford those Cryo tech coolers, well good for the 14600k and 14700k that are getting more cores and generous cache, question is at what price?

 

[Daven]

If there are going to be new chips below the i3 (artists formerly known as Pentiom and Celerun), they'll almost certainly have to be 4C/8T and 4c/4T. That would be great.

Intel has discontinued those brands and the creatively named ‘Intel Processors’ are mobile only.

 

[Fatalfury]

THEY BETTER NOT INCREASE THE PRICE OF i3 6+0core processor, or i m going AMD

 

[ratirt]

i wonder if the i3's will have HT enabled.

 

[john_]

Intel is winning market share in the consumer market, the same way it lost it. By offering more and more cores. E cores? E cores, it doesn't matter. Average consumer can't understand the difference between E cores and P cores. Doesn't even know it exists.

AMD is going to have a HUGE problem when these come out. It will be selling only X3D and 12-16 cores chips. It's 6-8 cores NON X3D chips will be DOA in the market. And how long is AMD going to still rely on AM4 for even having a low-mid range market? If Intel doesn't increase prices, it's going to take 10% of the market back in less than a year.

 

[Wirko]

4c8t 10GHz

YOU ARE
--HERE--

 

[Outback Bronze]

14400 looks like the ones to get on a budget. 6P's and 8E's plenty of horsepower for today's games. I'm guessing clocks speeds might be 4.5 all core?

 

[Sithaer]

I assume we wont be getting the 14100 earlier than Q1 of 2024? 'similar to how the 12100 was launched/I have it in my PC since 2022 february'
I'm not pressured to upgrade my CPU yet but that 14100/14400 looks like something I might just upgrade to as my first and last upgrade in this socket/mobo. 'depends on the price mainly'

 

[bug]

Intel is winning market share in the consumer market, the same way it lost it. By offering more and more cores. E cores? E cores, it doesn't matter. Average consumer can't understand the difference between E cores and P cores. Doesn't even know it exists.

AMD is going to have a HUGE problem when these come out. It will be selling only X3D and 12-16 cores chips. It's 6-8 cores NON X3D chips will be DOA in the market. And how long is AMD going to still rely on AM4 for even having a low-mid range market? If Intel doesn't increase prices, it's going to take 10% of the market back in less than a year.

For general purpose computing, E-cores are perfectly fine. How many apps do you run that will use more than 8 cores (+HT) at full potential? It's ok to have some weaker cores where you can offload some of the less demanding threads. Plus, E-cores aren't exactly weak, otherwise how would Intel manage to beat AMD in multithreading?

It's heterogeneous computing, more complex to implement and use properly. But it puts 4 cores where only 1 big core would fit, so they make sense from a silicon point of view. And, more importantly, it works well overall.

 

[Wirko]

For general purpose computing, E-cores are perfectly fine. How many apps do you run that will use more than 8 cores (+HT) at full potential? It's ok to have some weaker cores where you can offload some of the less demanding threads. Plus, E-cores aren't exactly weak, otherwise how would Intel manage to beat AMD in multithreading?

It's heterogeneous computing, more complex to implement and use properly. But it puts 4 cores where only 1 big core would fit, so they make sense from a silicon point of view. And, more importantly, it works well overall.

Here is everything you need to know about Intel's P and E.

But jokes aside, I agree, except about core sizes. Marketing slides do show 4 E cores being as big as one P core but die shots put the ratio at 1:3 in both ADL and RPL. An E core cluster is 4/3 as wide and equally tall as one P core (without L3 slices). However, some silicon around the E cores remains unrecognised so it may or may not be part of the cores.

Also, with more than 8 threads running, putting additional threads on E cores and avoiding HT results in higher performance than using HT and avoiding the E cores. So people who frown at E cores but are proud of the great HT capabilities in their CPUs might need to rethink this.

 

[ARF]

But Core i5-13600K's TDP is 125-181-watts.
How do you cool these chips?

 

[Sherhi]

Are those CPUs with that special ecore designed to basically run windows 11 on its own? I was reading about that somewhere.

 

[N/A]

Nope, only the mobile meteor lake has 2 extra cores embedded into the north bridge tile. the desktop is a monolithic die.

But Core i5-13600K's TDP is 125-181-watts.
How do you cool these chips?

This is where the new 7 heatpipe 1600 g coolers come into play. I was unable to cool the 8+8 config with just 800 g. the surface of the cpu could be blamed. Only if I could lap it perfectly.

 

[dj-electric]

But Core i5-13600K's TDP is 125-181-watts.
How do you cool these chips?

Their power consumption is not the issue. The thermal density and heat transfer from the die is the issue.
To politically correct answer is that even mid range air coolers do quite a decent job at controlling the temperature of such chip under any realistic workload

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

So, with this, the core i7 and i9 become effectively useless for all but E-measuring contests?

Not that I'm complaining, of course. It just means that anyone that recommends over an i5 for gaming in the future will be shown to not know what they are talking about.