AMD Confirms New "Enthusiast-class" Radeon 7000-series Graphics Cards This Quarter

[btarunr]

AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su, in her Q2-2023 Financial Results call, confirmed that the company will launch new "enthusiast-class" gaming graphics cards within Q3-2023 (any time before October). "In gaming graphics, we expanded our Radeon 7000 GPU series in the second quarter with the launch of our mainstream RX 7600 cards for 1080p gaming. We are on track to further expand our RDNA 3 GPU offerings with the launch of new, enthusiast-class Radeon 7000 series cards in the third quarter," she stated.

There are two distinct possibilities of what "enthusiast class" entails. The first and most obvious one, could be the introduction of the RX 7800 series, including the RX 7800 XT, which is expected to closely resemble the limited-edition RX 7900 GRE by the specs; but a less talked-about possibility could even be the RX 7950 series. In its testing, the RX 7900 GRE was found to offer raster 3D performance comparable to the previous-generation RX 6950 XT although with better ray tracing performance on account of improved Ray Accelerators, which would put it behind the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti that AMD is trying to compete with. This should mean that for AMD to have a compelling "RX 7800 XT" product, it should perform faster than the RX 7900 GRE (possible through higher clock speeds or a few more CU).



The Radeon RX 7950 series is an exercise at significantly shoring up performance over the RX 7900 series, by increasing clock speeds and power limits. AMD is probably hoping for the RX 7950 XTX to take a swing at the performance crown held by the RTX 4090, while the RX 7950 XT could get a little closer to the performance of the RTX 4080. The current RX 7900 XT already beats the RTX 4070 Ti.

The announcement could also be a hint at the likelihood of mobile versions of the RX 7900 series, given that AMD has already developed the mobile-friendly package that's found powering the desktop RX 7900 GRE. This package is physically smaller than the regular "Navi 31," has lower Z-height, and is hence optimized for notebooks. Its lower pin-count could indicate a narrower 256-bit wide GDDR6 memory bus, and fewer power pins to go with the lower power-limits.

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[ZoneDymo]

k, nobody cares until the prices are what the should be.

 

[N/A]

sub 600 what else. 6950 going for 650. they really waited for every last 6000 to go before moving forward with the defective 7000s.

 

[john_]

I have a theory that we are going to 4 years circle in gaming GPUs. I believe that Ada Next might be just a refresh of Ada with cards that will be fixing some of the current line issues. Maybe this is one more reason why Nvidia released such a flawed series. To make 5000 series look superior to 4000 series, while being the same architecture. So, maybe 4090 Ti will be 5090 with a 512bit data bus, 4080 Ti will end up as a 5080 and all cards underneath will get extra CUDA cores and VRAM to look superior to the current line of 4060s and 4070s. AMD done that in the past, in their gloom and doom days when they didn't had much money to spend. When they gone from 7000 series to 200 series.

Why I am saying it? Because AMD is not really in a hurry to come out with these new RDNA3 cards. Maybe they are not better than 6000 series or even worst in some cases (video playback power usage), maybe they are more expensive to produce offering nothing new really in performance, maybe there are still too many 6000 cards in the market. We all have speculated those reasons. But what if they KNOW they have time? What if they know that Nvidia will greatly decelerate gaming cards development? We see low end graphics cards that are 10 years or more old to keep selling in the market. Who says that we will keep getting a TRUE new architecture every 2 years? In the past we where expecting a new architecture every year, even sooner than that. Now we are at a 2 years circle. Who says we can't go to 4 years circle with a simple refresh in the middle of that period?

 

[fancucker]

the dual issue FP32 fell flat (they should've expanded the CU count)
no proper dedicated raytracing units (strong reliance on shaders and an anemic cache hierarchy to feed it)
refusal to apply GDDR6X and instead rely on relatively slow last level cache
and the cherry on the cake, cant even hit target clock speeds outside of certain compute scenarios

RDNA3 is a veritable dud and at this point i wish AMD would sell the graphics division to Apple or something to ensure the IP and engineering legacy isnt wasted

 

[john_]

would sell the graphics division to Apple

Best joke this year.

 

[mb194dc]

7000 series refresh might be quite decent performance jump. They originally intended much higher clock speed I think but silicon wouldn't play ball.

They'll still be 1k ish though probably so doa commercially imo.

 

[R0H1T]

It wasn't clock speeds IIRC, it probably had something to do with drivers?

Maybe they fixed the software issues finally!

 

[AusWolf]

I hope it's the 7800 series. The 7950 XTX would be dumb. An overclocked 7900 XTX will never catch the 4090, only increase prices further for no reason.

 

[ZoneDymo]

I hope it's the 7800 series. The 7950 XTX would be dumb. An overclocked 7900 XTX will never catch the 4090, only increase prices further for no reason.

imagine if instead if would take over the spot of the 7900xtx and everything else would slide down.....one could hope.,

 

[Dan.G]

Well, I guess they're making nice money from console SoCs and nVidia is earning a lot from AI. So that leaves... Intel!
"Help me, Intel. You're my only hope."
It's like nVidia and AMD don't care (that much) anymore...
I mean, sure, the 4090 is a great card, BUT the price... You can buy a used petrol VW Polo from 2007 with that money... Just doesn't feel right...

 

[R0H1T]

But wouldn't you prefer

When your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?

Spoiler

Just Buy It: Why Nvidia RTX GPUs Are Worth the Money

Some enthusiasts are upset about the price of the Nvidia RTX 2080 / 2070, but the opportunity cost of sticking with old technology is higher.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Crackong]

7950xtx ?
Maybe the original rumored multi GPU die package ?
2 x 96 CU , runs in 2 GHz ?

 

[Vya Domus]

the dual issue FP32 fell flat (they should've expanded the CU count)

I really wish people that actually knew how these things work would give their opinion on this stuff.

Like I said said previous times AMD should really start browsing tech forums because clearly this is were all the chip designer prodigy geniuses dwell.

 

[Pumper]

And I have no doubt that they will have worse performance/dollar than the 6800/XT, unless AMD decides to replace the 7900XTX with 7950 at the $999 price point and cut the MSRP on the rest of the lineup accordingly.

 

[john_]

AMD should really start browsing tech forums because clearly this is were all the chip designer prodigy geniuses dwell.

I can offer them free advices if they wish.

 

[Vya Domus]

And I have no doubt that they will have worse performance/dollar than the 6800/XT.

Lol, why ? 7900 XTX/XT are at the top of the charts for performance/dollar out of most cards this generation. Why wouldn't these ones end up there as well ?

AMD really should start charging an arm and a leg like Nvidia there is no reason not to, people still clown on them from being too expensive even though they've literally always had the better perf/dollar.

 

[tvshacker]

To make 5000 series look superior to 4000 series, while being the same architecture. So, maybe 4090 Ti will be 5090 with a 512bit data bus, 4080 Ti will end up as a 5080 and all cards underneath will get extra CUDA cores and VRAM to look superior to the current line of 4060s and 4070s.

I've thought about this as well. Drop every SKU a peg (and maybe price).
4060 -> 5050 (~250€)
maxed out AD106 -> 5060 (<400€)
4070 -> 5060TI (~450€)
4070TI -> 5070 (>500€)
...

 

[MicroUnC]

7950xtx ?
Maybe the original rumored multi GPU die package ?
2 x 96 CU , runs in 2 GHz ?

God! Please! No!

 

[Pumper]

Lol, why ? 7900 XTX/XT are at the top of the charts for performance/dollar out of most cards this generation. Why wouldn't these ones end up there as well ?

AMD really should start charging an arm and a leg like Nvidia there is no reason not to, people still clown on them from being too expensive even though they've literally always had the better perf/dollar.

Yeah, this generation, not vs. 6000.

 

[Vya Domus]

Yeah, this generation, not vs. 6000.

You do realize the price of everything does in fact slowly go up over time right ? Older generations almost always fair better when it comes to perf/dollar.

I could compare today's generation to ATI 4000 and GTX 200 series in terms of perf/price but it would be totally worthless unless it's adjusted to how prices have changed since then.

 

[pavle]

How about making a proper RX 7970 instead?

 

[Totally]

imagine if instead if would take over the spot of the 7900xtx and everything else would slide down.....one could hope.,

imagine? I remember when that used to be the case.

 

[3DVCash]

AMD really should start charging an arm and a leg like Nvidia there is no reason not to

They tried that with the 7900XT at launch. Didn't seem to work out so well...

 

[Aquinus]

k, nobody cares until the prices are what the should be.

Prices will never stabilize back to where they used to be without competition, which nVidia needs for that to occur. When you have "the best," you can sell it for whatever people are willing to pay for it. The only other solution is for people to stop buying stupidly priced GPUs just to have the best. To me, that's the biggest problem. People with huge wallets keep showing nVidia that people will buy their stuff regardless of the price point. This is why I vote with my wallet, it's the only thing I can do to help.