Gigabyte Quietly Launches Low Profile GeForce RTX 4060 Graphics Card

Tomgang · Aug 5, 2023

freeagent said:
Do GPU fans really die that often?

I used my GTX 580 Matrix Platinum 24/7 for about 7 years, fans are still good..

GTX 980 Classified on 24/7 for 6 years of ownership with me, plus god knows how long with previous owner.. fans are still good.

RTX 3070 Ti in use and on 24/7 for 3 summers, fans are still mint.

Hm..

I have not yet experience a fan failure on a gpu ever. But i tend to also keep the my cards for 3 years max.

What i think people are worried about, is that small fans tends to spin at higher rpm than bigger fans, and by that shorten the fans life span besides that of being whinning noisy. Specielly if the card at the same time do not have a 0 db mode/fans stops at ilde/below a pre chosen temperature.

The noise i am not so worried about throw.

TheinsanegamerN · Aug 5, 2023

Taisho said:
4060 Ti has a poor VRAM/$ ratio. 4060 non-Ti fails to deliver the level of power efficiency that other Ada GPUs do. In the NVIDIA world, you can only choose between bad and very bad.

Th elow profile world is VERY different. Up until this point, we have had 4GB 1650s, or 4GB rx 6400s which are total jokes. There was also the low profile 380, which was a total POS that you cant even find stateside.

The 4060 is disappointing, yes, but compared to LP options its a huge breath of fresh air.

80-watt Hamster · Aug 5, 2023

GerKNG said:
it could be a 4030.

Why, because of the form factor? You are under some serious misapprehensions about what comprises a 30-class card. The 1030 was a 30W part, and pulled ~40fps in DOOM'16 at 1080p Low. The 75W 1630, which everyone slagged as the worst thing since smallpox blankets (it was pretty bad; probably the worst release in a decade) managed about the same in DOOM Eternal at 1080p max. The 115W 4060 ups that to over 90 at 4K max. Drop back to 1080p, and it's nearly 240. It's almost as fast overall as the 2080 at around half the power. I'll entertain the concept that it the 4060 could have been better branded as a 4050 ti, but a 4030 it is not.

freeagent said:
Do GPU fans really die that often?

I used my GTX 580 Matrix Platinum 24/7 for about 7 years, fans are still good..

GTX 980 Classified on 24/7 for 6 years of ownership with me, plus god knows how long with previous owner.. fans are still good.

RTX 3070 Ti in use and on 24/7 for 3 summers, fans are still mint.

Hm..

I lost one of two on an R9 380 after 3-ish, IIRC. 550 ti fan started to go in about the same timeframe, but held on until retirement a couple years later. Bolted a new fan assembly to a secondhand R9 270, but can't remember if one or both went on that one. It was old when I got it and I've no idea what kind of prior life it led. Had to replace the fan on a likewise secondhand 9700 AIW if memory serves. That probably adds up to about an at most 20-25% incident rate within my own collection.

enb141 · Aug 5, 2023

TheinsanegamerN said:
Th elow profile world is VERY different. Up until this point, we have had 4GB 1650s, or 4GB rx 6400s which are total jokes. There was also the low profile 380, which was a total POS that you cant even find stateside.

The 4060 is disappointing, yes, but compared to LP options its a huge breath of fresh air.

Yep, I was waiting for a 3050 low profile, never came, so my hope was to get a 4050 low profile, but now Gigabyte is offering a 4060 low profile, this is really good news to me, this card is way better than anything low profile, maybe the AXXXX but those are extremely expensive.

P4-630 · Aug 5, 2023

Like a silent fart.....

loracle706 · Aug 5, 2023

freeagent said:
Do GPU fans really die that often?

I used my GTX 580 Matrix Platinum 24/7 for about 7 years, fans are still good..

GTX 980 Classified on 24/7 for 6 years of ownership with me, plus god knows how long with previous owner.. fans are still good.

RTX 3070 Ti in use and on 24/7 for 3 summers, fans are still mint.

Hm..

Do GPU fans really die that often?
Small fans that spins a lot yes, not hard to understand it !!

Ruru · Aug 5, 2023

freeagent said:
Do GPU fans really die that often?

I used my GTX 580 Matrix Platinum 24/7 for about 7 years, fans are still good..

GTX 980 Classified on 24/7 for 6 years of ownership with me, plus god knows how long with previous owner.. fans are still good.

RTX 3070 Ti in use and on 24/7 for 3 summers, fans are still mint.

Hm..

My old 980 Ti had one of its fans dead, I was wondering high temps and the reason was that only one fan was spinning. And one of the three fans on my 1080 Ti made always an annoying noise when the fans kicked in.

Replaced the fans on both cards and worked fine after that

kilis · Aug 5, 2023

enb141 said:
Do GPU fans really die that often?

I used my GTX 580 Matrix Platinum 24/7 for about 7 years, fans are still good..

GTX 980 Classified on 24/7 for 6 years of ownership with me, plus god knows how long with previous owner.. fans are still good.

RTX 3070 Ti in use and on 24/7 for 3 summers, fans are still mint.

Hm..

My Sapphire hd6850 fan went crazy after 3 years of usage, some 8-9 years ago. I couldnt find original replacement fan and i had to Dremel cut plastic housing and fit 3rd party 80 mm fan and connect it to motherboard fan power outlet. If i was not able to that minor repair ,fully functioning card might have gone to garbage.
Now whenever i plan to purchase new gpu card i always look for fan-stop feature and removable main cooler shroud for easy cleaning and fan replacement.
But, since i am restricted with gpu dimension because of HTPC case i will have to give up one of my criteria.
Unfortunately things are getting more restrictive if you are slim computer case user.

TheLostSwede · Aug 5, 2023

loracle706 said:
Do GPU fans really die that often?
Small fans that spins a lot yes, not hard to understand it !!

I don't actually think I've had one die on me and that includes cards way back when you got 40-60 mm fans on them.
I have seen dead fans on cards, because people don't clean out the dust in their systems once in a while, which is the big fan killer, plus smoking next to your computer, which makes the dust stick really hard to things.

Squared · Aug 5, 2023

Well it's about time. Thank you, Gigabyte.

gffermari said:
The other thing is the size. Is the low profile that preferable than the ITX gpus?
How much smaller a case can be, so the sacrifice getting a low profile gpu (with the limitation of models) instead of an ITX one is worth it?

The problem with ITX cases is that they're either a cube—which is a poor fit for many TV setups—or they have a PCIe riser which is expensive (for PCIe 4.0) and adds some risk to system stability.

kilis said:
Gigabyte website doesnt mention if the card has Fan-stop feature.
Having triple small diameter fan whining all the time even not gaming is a big let down for me.

Good point, noise while gaming would be acceptable but while idle or playing video, this really needs to be silent since this is intended for HTPC use. Someone should review the card and find how the fans do.

Tomgang said:
OH, site note for those also considering this cards. If you have a older system with PCIe 3 only, you can exspect to lose 5-10 % performance, do to nvidia doing a cheap out. RTX 4060 only runs PCIe 4 X8. So in a PCIe 3 setup, that would bacically be like running it a PCIe 2 full.

This isn't a problem for new builds but a lot of low-profile systems are a little older and will be affected by this. Mine is PCIe 2.0, so I'd be looking at PCIe 1.0 x16 performance. So this card is a bad choice for me unless I replace my HTPC.

As some also mentioned, the precursors to this were the 1050 Ti and the 1650. So if the 4060 can replace them, then it's the successor to 50-series GPUs.

AMD won't be able to compete in this form factor this generation, because the 7600 is not as efficient as other 7000-series GPUs. Compared to the 4060, the 7600 is slower, more power hungry, and has the same PCIe limitation.

It's great that HTPCs finally have this much performance and VRAM available, but it's a bummer more VRAM isn't available. My HTPC is my only device connected to a 4K display. It's also a disappointing that a low-end GPU in this market used to be like $200 in 2023 dollars and now it's $300.

Tomgang · Aug 5, 2023

Squared said:
Well it's about time. Thank you, Gigabyte.

The problem with ITX cases is that they're either a cube—which is a poor fit for many TV setups—or they have a PCIe riser which is expensive (for PCIe 4.0) and adds some risk to system stability.

Good point, noise while gaming would be acceptable but while idle or playing video, this really needs to be silent since this is intended for HTPC use. Someone should review the card and find how the fans do.

This isn't a problem for new builds but a lot of low-profile systems are a little older and will be affected by this. Mine is PCIe 2.0, so I'd be looking at PCIe 1.0 x16 performance. So this card is a bad choice for me unless I replace my HTPC.

As some also mentioned, the precursors to this were the 1050 Ti and the 1650. So if the 4060 can replace them, then it's the successor to 50-series GPUs.

AMD won't be able to compete in this form factor this generation, because the 7600 is not as efficient as other 7000-series GPUs. Compared to the 4060, the 7600 is slower, more power hungry, and has the same PCIe limitation.

It's great that HTPCs finally have this much performance and VRAM available, but it's a bummer more VRAM isn't available. My HTPC is my only device connected to a 4K display. It's also a disappointing that a low-end GPU in this market used to be like $200 in 2023 dollars and now it's $300.

No it will not be a problem made with in the last 2-3 years where PCIe gen 4 came out. But it will be a problem for people with older system. But still 5 to 10 % losed performance, is still way better than RX6400 or GTX 1650 can ever offer. For those still running a PCIe gen 2 sustem i can not reccomend bying this card. Cause not only will you have a greal loss i brandwith, but also a bigger CPU bottleneck. Given a PCIe 2 system will be farly old by now and cpu pretty weak.

kilis · Aug 5, 2023

We dont know the full specs of the this card but lets assume that it doesnt have fan-stop and removable main cooler shroud.
Due to dust and dirt ,cooling fins will lose their efficiency earlier because of their small size. Non fan-stop means ,fan will be forcing more stuff to cooling fins unnecessarily which accelerate dirt built-up. Cleaning is very difficult because shroud is not removable and openings between fans and plastic housing so tight it prevents you to use vacuum cleaner in a good way.
How many of us willing to remove all parts, thermal paste etc etc to make proper cleaning ?
Why not design the damn thing properly for customer who has no other choice in these segment and charge them with few bucks more ?

freeagent · Aug 5, 2023

loracle706 said:
Do GPU fans really die that often?
Small fans that spins a lot yes, not hard to understand it !!

Yeah it is hard to understand. Do you honestly think I have not used small fans before?

Anyways.. back to the news..

TheinsanegamerN · Aug 5, 2023

kilis said:
We dont know the full specs of the this card but lets assume that it doesnt have fan-stop and removable main cooler shroud.
Due to dust and dirt ,cooling fins will lose their efficiency earlier because of their small size. Non fan-stop means ,fan will be forcing more stuff to cooling fins unnecessarily which accelerate dirt built-up. Cleaning is very difficult because shroud is not removable and openings between fans and plastic housing so tight it prevents you to use vacuum cleaner in a good way.
How many of us willing to remove all parts, thermal paste etc etc to make proper cleaning ?
Why not design the damn thing properly for customer who has no other choice in these segment and charge them with few bucks more ?

I've run cards like this for years now. The shroud is removable. It has to be assembled, so it has to come apart. They are just screwed into the heatsink. Takes 30 seconds.

You have to make concessions in design to make cards small like this. Dont get so angry over it. If you cant remove 4 screws and apply thermal paste why on earth are you building PCs in the first place? LP cards like this are so simple to maintain a monkey can do it.

I've also never had one of these fans fail. The only fan that failed was a single slot fan on a HD 3450 many years ago. Fun pro tip: due to size constraints all these LP cards use the same retention mechanism. It is trivial to find a donor LP card, strip the heatsink off of it, and install it. I used to buy dead LP server cards and move the heatsinks onto LP desktop GPUS for quieter operation.

Dan.G · Aug 5, 2023

Hopefully, a PCIe-powered R(G)TX card is in the making.
Wouldn't mind having Ada architecture sans RT (it's not much of use on lower-end SKUs anyway).
A GPU with 2048 CUDA cores and 6 GB 96-bit GDDR6 memory would be very appealing if it's PCIe-powered only.
Without RT, they might even bring the costs under 200$.
DLSS is really useful, though!

Selaya · Aug 5, 2023

TheinsanegamerN said:
Th elow profile world is VERY different. Up until this point, we have had 4GB 1650s, or 4GB rx 6400s which are total jokes. There was also the low profile 380, which was a total POS that you cant even find stateside.

The 4060 is disappointing, yes, but compared to LP options its a huge breath of fresh air.

what is A2000

gffermari · Aug 5, 2023

Squared said:
The problem with ITX cases is that they're either a cube—which is a poor fit for many TV setups—or they have a PCIe riser which is expensive (for PCIe 4.0) and adds some risk to system stability.

The smallest ITX case is probably the Velka 3 or something similar.
I mean, how much smaller you want your case to be, so that you are willing to sacrifice a potentially 4070 in ITX format?

About the cost, ok. Most of them are on the expensive side for the size and quality you get.

Dan.G · Aug 5, 2023

Selaya said:
what is A2000

An overpriced piece of... hardware. :roll:

It's similar in performance to a RTX 3050, though. And you can get a 12 GB variant (if you start selling things from the house - TV, AC, your Batman comics collection). :roll:

Sorry, I'm just feeling funny (or that's what I like to believe).

kilis · Aug 5, 2023

TheinsanegamerN said:
I've run cards like this for years now. The shroud is removable. It has to be assembled, so it has to come apart. They are just screwed into the heatsink. Takes 30 seconds.

You have to make concessions in design to make cards small like this. Dont get so angry over it. If you cant remove 4 screws and apply thermal paste why on earth are you building PCs in the first place? LP cards like this are so simple to maintain a monkey can do it.

I've also never had one of these fans fail. The only fan that failed was a single slot fan on a HD 3450 many years ago. Fun pro tip: due to size constraints all these LP cards use the same retention mechanism. It is trivial to find a donor LP card, strip the heatsink off of it, and install it. I used to buy dead LP server cards and move the heatsinks onto LP desktop GPUS for quieter operation.

I hope you are right if it is designed that way.
Although my own pc 10 years old, i help my friends to build hi-spec pc s and repair if i can do it for fun, Free of charge. And i do similar things with my woodworking shop.
It just saddens me, when it comes to maintain and repair their stuff, most of the people worst than sea sponge.
Sometimes i get angry because most of these failures could have been prevented just by little bit better design. Sorry for the off-topic, I used to work on merchant ships for 20 years. I know how much energy and effort goes to carrying all these raw materials to build stuff around us.

trsttte · Aug 5, 2023

loracle706 said:
Shit card dont buy this, hard to find those fans to replace a dead one, and fans dies quickly due to high speed spins.

It's as hard to find compatible fans as any other regular size gpu. It's always a crapshoot to find something compatible, only GPUs where that's not the case are the recent asus noctua colabs that use regular 120mm.

Tomgang said:
If you have a older system with PCIe 3 only, you can exspect to lose 5-10 % performance, do to nvidia doing a cheap out. RTX 4060 only runs PCIe 4 X8. So in a PCIe 3 setup, that would bacically be like running it a PCIe 2 full.

That's an exageration, the 4090 with an i9-13900k lost about ~6% but that's the 4090, a more modest card should lose about 2% or 3% which is the same as margin of error and silicon lottery.

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www.techpowerup.com

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Selaya · Aug 5, 2023

Dan.G said:
An overpriced piece of... hardware.
It's similar in performance to a RTX 3050, though. And you can get a 12 GB variant (if you start selling things from the house - TV, AC, your Batman comics collection).
Sorry, I'm just feeling funny (or that's what I like to believe).

that's pretty rich considering this generation's name's Ada Loverpricelace
also, you can get used (mined) A2000s at much cheaper now (cheaper than a 4060 for sure), and they tend to be in good-to-excellent condition ...

so yeah

ARF · Aug 5, 2023

80-watt Hamster said:
Why, because of the form factor? You are under some serious misapprehensions about what comprises a 30-class card. The 1030 was a 30W part, and pulled ~40fps in DOOM'16 at 1080p Low. The 75W 1630, which everyone slagged as the worst thing since smallpox blankets (it was pretty bad; probably the worst release in a decade) managed about the same in DOOM Eternal at 1080p max. The 115W 4060 ups that to over 90 at 4K max. Drop back to 1080p, and it's nearly 240. It's almost as fast overall as the 2080 at around half the power. I'll entertain the concept that it the 4060 could have been better branded as a 4050 ti, but a 4030 it is not.

This is a *50 (without Ti) tier card. GTX 1650 and RTX 3050 also had low profile versions.

Low Profile RTX 3050 With 65W TDP Surfaces in China

But you will have to fork out the equivalent of $278 for this desktop card toting a mobile GPU.

www.tomshardware.com