AMD Unveils Radeon RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT Graphics Cards

[evernessince]

How is the 7800XT using 263W? The 6800XT has 4608 SP and uses 300W, meaning the 7800XT has 16% fewer SP and is only using 12% less power. That's even after a shrink from the 7nm node to 5nm.

The price is better then I was expecting though.

Yep, decent pricing on the 7800 XT considering the current market. If the charts are to be believed, it should perform around a RTX 4070 for $100 cheaper and with 4GB more VRAM, more memory bandwidth, and much more cache.

 

[AusWolf]

So far so good. Let's see the actual benchmarks now.

 

[Shou Miko]

Is all the reference photo just RX 7700 XT or is the 7800 XT gonna be a 2 fan card

 

[Luminescent]

Prediction, very good in raster, very bad in ray tracing and consume a lot more power than direct competitor, rtx 4060 ti and rtx 4070.
There is one scenario reviewers should consider, if you plan to keep a gpu for a very long time, like those people who still use a gtx 1060 or rx 580, how realistic is you would still be able to enable ray tracing in games from 2025 or later and still have a reasonable playable experience, is it possible rtx 4060's and 4070's will mostly be used in raster mode and ray tracing will be reserved to future rtx 5090....etc. ?

 

[Daven]

Prediction, very good in raster, very bad in ray tracing and consume a lot more power than direct competitor, rtx 4060 ti and rtx 4070.
There is one scenario reviewers should consider, if you plan to keep a gpu for a very long time, like those people who still use a gtx 1060 or rx 580, how realistic is you would still be able to enable ray tracing in games from 2025 or later and still have a reasonable playable experience, is it possible rtx 4060's and 4070's will mostly be used in raster mode and ray tracing will be reserved to future rtx 5090....etc. ?

Don’t forget that only part of a scene is ray traced today. In the future, more parts will be ray traced until we have full path bringing all current GPUs down to zero frames per second. Nvidia’s only reasons for ray tracing were to get people to buy their tech over the competition to fund their GPGPU compute dreams and to get people to buy another GPU every year as new games become unplayable on current hardware. No GPU today will be playable with ray tracing in 2025 and beyond.

Do you really think a 4090 will work on a full path ray traced game in the Cyperpunk AAA category of games? No way!

 

[Squared]

The 7800 XT seems like a successor to a 7-class card, which AMD seems to agree with by comparing it to the 4070 Ti. The $500 price tag is about $420 in 2019 dollars, which is similar to the $450 launch price of the GTX 1070 Ti. So prices seem to have roughly returned to normal.

 

[cvaldes]

Don’t forget that only part of a scene is ray traced today. In the future, more parts will be ray traced until we have full path bringing all current GPUs down to zero frames per second. Nvidia’s only reasons for ray tracing were to get people to buy their tech over the competition to fund their GPGPU compute dreams and to get people to buy another GPU every year as new games become unplayable on current hardware. No GPU today will be playable with ray tracing in 2025 and beyond.

Do you really think a 4090 will work on a full path ray traced game in the Cyperpunk AAA category of games? No way!

It’s not quite as dire as you claim.

Game developers are largely constrained by current console hardware. A game needs to run acceptably on the weakest specced device it’s supported on.

So 2023 that would be Xbox Series S or in some cases the Nintendo Switch. (Let’s ignore mid-range Android handsets to simplify this discussion.)

No games are only designed for the RTX 4090 class hardware. That market is insignificant.

Nintendo Switch? 130 million units and counting…

 

[tvshacker]

You write street price of 4060 ti vs MSRP of 7800 XT. When seeing what will cost in real offers in EU... Maybe will be disappointed. I predict not less than MSRP+100€ or more.

IIRC the 16GB 4060TI MSRP on several EU countries was 559€ and they're already below that, so I cannot see why the 7800XT would cost that much more over MSRP with the exception of poor availability.

 

[wNotyarD]

IIRC the 16GB 4060TI MSRP on several EU countries was 559€ and they're already below that, so I cannot see why the 7800XT would cost that much more over MSRP with the exception of poor availability.

Radeons with poor availability? When has that ever happened?

 

[TumbleGeorge]

IIRC the 16GB 4060TI MSRP on several EU countries was 559€ and they're already below that, so I cannot see why the 7800XT would cost that much more over MSRP with the exception of poor availability.

MSRP is for reference. Every trademarks with non reference models with better and more expensive design will charge more.

 

[SunWukong]

The 7700XT is a 6800 but with 12gb vram with a high price tag of $449. This should $400 max. 12gb should be reserve for 1080p. I'll just look for a used 6800 then.

 

[Chrispy_]

The main reason to bite with these cards is FSR 3.0, how many games it applies to, and how soon we can expect to see games support it.

The 7800XT in particular would be a tough sell without FSR 3.0 and a free copy of Starfield, since it's looking worse than the 6800XT for more money. Unless a bunch of very marginal gains matter to you (efficiency, RT, AV1, FSR 3.0, slightly more bandwidth) this is basically a 80% of a 6800XT with 10% higher clocks. My prediction is that the fight between a 6800XT and 7800XT will be a wash at best, with feature support and other perks tipping the balance.

 

[N3M3515]

kinda painful they are comparing to a 5700xt and not a 6700xt / 6800....

also 50 bucks price difference is ridiculous considering the specs, they dont want you to buy the 7700xt...

Inb4 a hardwareUnboxed video bashing the pricing, saying the 7700xt should be xxx Dollars and expecting it to fall to that price point in the coming months...and then it does.

Yeah, it seems the 7800XT is pretty close to the 6800XT. In an ideal world the 7800XT should be between 6900xt and 6950xt, but in reality i think it will be between 6800xt and 6900xt. That's like 5% higher than the 6800xt, almost nothing. At least it consumes less power and is somewhat cheaper.

 

[ModEl4]

$499 is very competitive positioning for 7800XT imo, but $449 for 7700XT is a fail.
It should have been max $429 (and $399 in order to create the same impression as 7800XT price positioning)
It doesn't matter that the GCD is 200mm² , Navi 23 & 24 has small sizes also but AMD launched them (full vs cut-down version) with sufficient price difference.For example RX6600 and RX6600XT has the same die size and the same memory but 6600XT was +15% more expensive throughout the life of 6600XT (and 6650XT is 20%++ more expensive)
RX7700XT has one less MCD and 4GB less memory, that's around $30 less in retail for the MCD only (37mm² at 6nm, check RX6500XT pricing and extrapolate) and an additional $20 less in retail price just for the memory different, so $50 without even touching the performance difference and the fact the RX7700XT is a (slightly) cut-down Navi32...
So 7800XT at the same price and with the same memory as 4060Ti 16GB is going to be around +37% faster in QHD raster (based on AMD claims) but 7700XT with only +20% better QHD performance vs 4060Ti is asking $50 more?
In 4K 7800XT should match 6800XT or be close and at $499 is a better deal even now with the lower 6800XT prices, but 7700XT is going to be at best 25% faster than 6700XT and based on the low retail pricing of 6700XT should have been a $399 product if AMD wanted to create buzz and at the same time close somewhat the pricing gap with RX7600

 

[wNotyarD]

The main reason to bite with these cards is FSR 3.0, how many games it applies to, and how soon we can expect to see games support it.

The 7800XT in particular would be a tough sell without FSR 3.0 and a free copy of Starfield, since it's looking worse than the 6800XT for more money. Unless a bunch of very marginal gains matter to you (efficiency, RT, AV1, FSR 3.0, slightly more bandwidth) this is basically a 80% of a 6800XT with 10% higher clocks. My prediction is that the fight between a 6800XT and 7800XT will be a wash at best, with feature support and other perks tipping the balance.

If FSR 3.0 works all the same on a 6800XT which also should come with a free copy of Starfield now, 7800XT still won't be worth over its older sibling unless those features in bold are crucial.

 

[Chrispy_]

Yeah, it seems the 7800XT is pretty close to the 6800XT. In an ideal world the 7800XT should be between 6900xt and 6950xt, but in reality i think it will be between 6800xt and 6900xt. That's like 5% higher than the 6800xt, almost nothing. At least it consumes less power and is somewhat cheaper.

They don't want you to buy the 7700XT because yields are great and they likely have to sell functional Navi32 dies that would likely be fine to sell as 7800XTs.

Navi 32's GCD is small by Monolithic die standards, thanks to the separate MCDs that a chiplet design allows, and on one of TSMCs higher-yielding processes - one which is considered mature by now as well.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

$499 is very competitive positioning for 7800XT imo, but $449 for 7700XT is a fail.
It should have been max $429 (and $399 in order to create the same impression as 7800XT price positioning)
It doesn't matter that the GCD is 200mm² , Navi 23 & 24 has small sizes also but AMD launched them (full vs cut-down version) with sufficient price difference.For example RX6600 and RX6600XT has the same die size and the same memory but 6600XT was +15% more expensive throughout the life of 6600XT (and 6650XT is 20%++ more expensive)
RX7700XT has one less MCD and 4GB less memory, that's around $30 less in retail for the MCD only (37mm² at 6nm, check RX6500XT pricing and extrapolate) and an additional $20 less in retail price just for the memory different, so $50 without even touching the performance difference and the fact the RX7700XT is a (slightly) cut-down Navi32...
So 7800XT at the same price and with the same memory as 4060Ti 16GB is going to be around +37% faster in QHD raster (based on AMD claims) but 7700XT with only +20% better performance vs 4060Ti is asking $50 more?
In 4K 7800XT should match 6800XT or be close and at $499 is a better deal even now with the lower 6800XT prices, but 7700XT is going to be at best 25% faster than 6700XT and based on the low retail pricing of 6700XT should have been a $399 product if AMD wanted to create buzz and close somewhat the pricing gap with RX7600

AMD is going with it's 7900 series game plan with these cards and will just let the market decide pricing.

 

[Chrispy_]

If FSR 3.0 works all the same on a 6800XT which also should come with a free copy of Starfield now, 7800XT still won't be worth over its older sibling unless those features in bold are crucial.

Yeah, I'm considering the sidegrade for the free copy of Starfield, alone - as a 6800XT owner.
I can either spend £60 on Starfield, or I can lose £60 selling my 6800XT and buying a 7800XT.

 

[N3M3515]

The 7800 XT seems like a successor to a 7-class card, which AMD seems to agree with by comparing it to the 4070 Ti. The $500 price tag is about $420 in 2019 dollars, which is similar to the $450 launch price of the GTX 1070 Ti. So prices seem to have roughly returned to normal.

They aren't even comparing it to a 4070 Ti, just the vanilla 4070. Since launch i said that the real 6800xt replacement was the 7900XTX, because it is a 100% match of the 4080 (remember 6800xt vs 3080).
This gen, amd brought nothing to compete with the 4090. They thought that by naming them 7900 they would automatically be tier 9. But no, you can name them whatever you want, they are 8 tier gpus.

 

[Frick]

The 7700XT is a 6800 but with 12gb vram with a high price tag of $449. This should $400 max. 12gb should be reserve for 1080p. I'll just look for a used 6800 then.

For reference I play at 4K with an 8GB card (3060ti). I can't max out games obviously, but I couldn't do that anyway. 8GB is too little for midrange, I sort of agree with that, but 12GB is fine for a lot of things.

 

[Makaveli]

If FSR 3.0 works all the same on a 6800XT which also should come with a free copy of Starfield now, 7800XT still won't be worth over its older sibling unless those features in bold are crucial.

I have a feeling FSR 3.0 will be faster on RDNA 3 vs 2.

Just like XeSS works faster on Intel gpu's and it uses DP4a for all other gpu's.

 

[ModEl4]

AMD is going with it's 7900 series game plan with these cards and will just let the market decide pricing.

Sure it was a plan, if the $900 RX7900XT plan was to miss an opportunity and create bad vibes in the community with their pricing strategy... (again, it wasn't the first time either that they did it, shooting themselves in the foot)

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Sure it was a plan, if the $900 RX7900XT plan was to miss an opportunity and create bad vibes in the community with their pricing strategy... (again, it wasn't the first time either that they did it, shooting themselves in the foot)

It was obviously a terrible plan.... Although in this price range they are only really competing with the garbage 4060ti and last gen cards so it may work a little better.

 

[ModEl4]

It was obviously a terrible plan.... Although in this price range they are only really competing with the garbage 4060ti and last gen cards so it may work a little better.

I guess, anyway let's focus on the positive side, 7800XT pricing is great and to me a surprise, I really was expecting a $549 SRP.
Still the gap with RX7600 is big, I wonder if we are going to see a 7600XT with a little bit higher GPU and memory clocks and higher TBP (but within 1x8pin territory for the reference) but with 16GB, at $299 it would be an interesting proposal for 1080p gaming with lower settings but with ultra textures for future games.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I guess, anyway let's focus on the positive side, 7800XT pricing is great and to me a surprise, I really was expecting a $549 SRP.
Still the gap with RX7600 is big, I wonder if we are going to see a 7600XT with a little bit higher GPU and memory clocks and higher TBP (but within 1x8pin territory for the reference) but with 16GB, at $299 it would be an interesting proposal for 1080p gaming with lower settings but with ultra textures for future games.

Agree, given how the current generation has gone if AMDs slides are even close to accurate the 7800XT could be a real winner. The 7700XT will likely look good vs the 4060ti but bad vs the 7800XT so sorta in a no mans land.

I think both AMD/Nvidia feel gamers spending under 300 are lucky to even get a current generation gpu it's been like that for a while now.