AMD Unveils Radeon RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT Graphics Cards

[80-watt Hamster]

The 7800 XT seems like a successor to a 7-class card, which AMD seems to agree with by comparing it to the 4070 Ti. The $500 price tag is about $420 in 2019 dollars, which is similar to the $450 launch price of the GTX 1070 Ti. So prices seem to have roughly returned to normal.

1070 ti was very nearly a 1080. Vanilla 1070 launched at $380. Personally, I feel like the 7700 XT should cost $30-50 less and pull 30-50 fewer watts. As others have said, the deltas in both those metrics between it and the 7800 XT are small enough as to be nigh-irrelevant. Maybe a 7700 will show up to take that spot. If that and a 7600 XT launch, all $50 increments from $300-500 would be covered.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

1070 ti was very nearly a 1080. Vanilla 1070 launched at $380. Personally, I feel like the 7700 XT should cost $30-50 less and pull 30-50 fewer watts. As others have said, the deltas in both those metrics between it and the 7800 XT are small enough as to be nigh-irrelevant. Maybe a 7700 will show up to take that spot. If that and a 7600 XT launch, all $50 increments from $300-500 would be covered.

Honestly I think this has more to do with the 4060ti being so bad that AMD doesn't feel any pressure to make it any more affordable.... I guess consumers will have to decide wouldn't be the first time consumers bought an inferior Nvidia gpu over a similarly priced radeon alternative cough 570 vs 1050ti cough

 

[N3M3515]

Something to keep in mind:

AMD couldn't deliver performance wise vs the 6800XT, so they lower price, power consumption and add features that won't be available on the 6800XT

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Something to keep in mind:
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AMD couldn't deliver performance wise vs the 6800XT, so they lower price, power consumption and add features that won't be available on the 6800XT

I mean if you live in the states the real 6800XT replacement isn't that far off.....

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[Assimilator]

No USB-C on 7800 XT huh, definitely not a 6800 XT replacement. Cheaper cooler too.

For reference I play at 4K with an 8GB card (3060ti). I can't max out games obviously, but I couldn't do that anyway. 8GB is too little for midrange, I sort of agree with that, but 12GB is fine for a lot of things.

The fastest way to know that someone on a tech forum has no idea what they're talking about, is if they claim 8GB VRAM isn't sufficient.

 

[Frick]

The fastest way to know that someone on a tech forum has no idea what they're talking about, is if they claim 8GB VRAM isn't sufficient.

For higher settings and resolutions it might not be, depending on the game (if it's because a poorly optimized game or not is irrelevant to the discussion). And say a RTX 4090 or a 7900XTX would be absolutely crippled by 8GB RAM. Plus today you can do a lot of things with a GPU you couldn't do ten years ago, so VRAM is a bigger deal than it was say ten years ago.

 

[Anymal]

@btarunr why not include the slide with the prices, or mention the prices in euros?
Very curious about 7800XT "true" price around here. The cheapest 4060TI is ~537€ , if the 7800XT at 550€ beats it in RT scenarios it'll be the final nail in the coffin for the 16gb version of the 4060, at least at that price point.

Pricing

RX 7800 XT: $499/€549

RX 7700 XT: $449/€489

 

[kapone32]

No USB-C on 7800 XT huh, definitely not a 6800 XT replacement. Cheaper cooler too.


The fastest way to know that someone on a tech forum has no idea what they're talking about, is if they claim 8GB VRAM isn't sufficient.

The only cards that come with USB C are Reference designs. I have never seen an AIB card with USB C.

 

[Launcestonian]

Not comparing them to the 6xxx series is an insult to the intelligence of PC tech enthusiasts. Too bad for AMD they don't control the tech press, so very soon we all will know!

 

[rv8000]

Not comparing them to the 6xxx series is an insult to the intelligence of PC tech enthusiasts. Too bad for AMD they don't control the tech press, so very soon we all will know!

Is it? We know how fast the 4060ti and 4070 are in comparison to the 6000 series cards, it’s not a leap to gauge from there. Marketing slides job is to compare against the competition and also what people may be upgrading from.

Its clear everything but the 4090 and 7900XTX are the only performance leaps this gen, everything else just slots in a similar price performance with new features and power saving. The 7800XT has potential to actually be a good deal though.

 

[cvaldes]

Not comparing them to the 6xxx series is an insult to the intelligence of PC tech enthusiasts. Too bad for AMD they don't control the tech press, so very soon we all will kno

This is not AMD's first rodeo. It is precisely the fact that they don't control the tech media that encouraged them to make today's announcement. They know that the best way to bury bad news it to announce it on a Friday when half the world has already left for the weekend.

 

[Launcestonian]

Is it? We know how fast the 4060ti and 4070 are in comparison to the 6000 series cards, it’s not a leap to gauge from there. Marketing slides job is to compare against the competition and also what people may be upgrading from.

Its clear everything but the 4090 and 7900XTX are the only performance leaps this gen, everything else just slots in a similar price performance with new features and power saving. The 7800XT has potential to actually be a good deal though.

But some may consider upgrading from 6xxx series, so why not put it in their marketing material? besides, soon enough tech news outlets will be on to this in their compare reviews.

 

[cvaldes]

But some may consider upgrading from 6xxx series, so why not put it in their marketing material? besides, soon enough tech news outlets will be on to this in their compare reviews.

AMD has already run the standard benchmarks. They know where the 7800 XT and 7700 XT stand relative to existing products. They know how all of their 6000-series cards perform too.

If they choose to gloss over/ignore particular data points, there's probably a reason behind it.

 

[Launcestonian]

AMD has already run the standard benchmarks. They know where the 7800 XT and 7700 XT stand relative to existing products. They know how all of their 6000-series cards perform too.

If they choose to gloss over/ignore particular data points, there's probably a reason behind it.

Of course, but that won't stop the press throwing up reviews directly comparing to previous gen.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Price of 7800XT makes sense as it is is the real 7700XT, but the 7700XT aka the 7600XT is piss poor value. $399 would be max it could possibly list at to be viable.

The 7800XT will struggle to beat the 6800XT but at least it's starting price befits it's lack of progress if you are to believe the naming convention.

Anyway zero interest in this gen as these two cards provide nothing unless you want to use FSR3 and RT. 7800XT should smoke 6700XT in RTing.

 

[Shou Miko]

Yeah, it seems the 7800XT is pretty close to the 6800XT. In an ideal world the 7800XT should be between 6900xt and 6950xt, but in reality i think it will be between 6800xt and 6900xt. That's like 5% higher than the 6800xt, almost nothing. At least it consumes less power and is somewhat cheaper.

Well the RX 6800 XT got a listed TDP of 300W and the RX 7800 XT listed TDP is 263W on the TPU Specs which is about 37W difference but if it can manage a great undervolt like the RX 6800 XT and my current RX 7900 XT it might be a good card if it can go down to like 250W without much loss of performance which but it inbetween RTX 4070 and Ti

Source: RX 6800 XT Specs vs RX 7800 XT Specs
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But honestly I am torn to see that AMD compared to RTX 20 series card not even 30 series, but I have been thinking about playing around with the power of my RX 7900 XT since it does 1.020V stabile in all the games I currently have tried to see if I can do a TDP lock instead default is 300W but all the way down to 250W to see how it freaks out performance wise.

 

[olymind1]

@btarunr why not include the slide with the prices, or mention the prices in euros?
Very curious about 7800XT "true" price around here. The cheapest 4060TI is ~537€ , if the 7800XT at 550€ beats it in RT scenarios it'll be the final nail in the coffin for the 16gb version of the 4060, at least at that price point.

The cheapest 4060 TI starts at 380€, but i would go for an MSI version for 420-430€, if i would want to buy a 4060 TI, but i don't.

 

[3x0]

7800XT seems to be a meaningful upgrade for my ITX system, looking forward to reviews

 

[DBGT]

The only cards that come with USB C are Reference designs. I have never seen an AIB card with USB C.

Taichi 6800 XT

 

[ToTTenTranz]

What's up with AMD pricing their tier runner-ups so high to the point of making people think they only exist to upsell the faster model? Happened to the 7900XT -> 7900XTX, it's happening to the 7700XT -> 7800XT.

Is this a good strategy? Doesn't sound like it is.

 

[Macro Device]

if the 7800XT at 550€ beats it in RT scenarios

Impossible. RDNA3 is as terrible in RT as RDNA2 is. 6950 XT as a bare minimum if you wanna have playable RT performance at 1080p... 7900 XTX if you want to have at least half of other settings being higher than the absolute minimum.

7800 XT, with its specs, will fail to outperform 6800 XT. It is a very horrible offer. 7700 XT is made even more overpriced precisely for this reason. Hardcode limited to only be supported by 7000s, FSR3 could've in a very ugly way but help RDNA3 to become viable. But, firstly, there is no such thing as FSR3. And, secondly, there will be no such thing as FSR3 for a couple weeks more at the very least.

 

[Taisho]

Is it? We know how fast the 4060ti and 4070 are in comparison to the 6000 series cards, it’s not a leap to gauge from there. Marketing slides job is to compare against the competition and also what people may be upgrading from.

Its clear everything but the 4090 and 7900XTX are the only performance leaps this gen, everything else just slots in a similar price performance with new features and power saving. The 7800XT has potential to actually be a good deal though.

It's been 3 years. If AMD didn't fail with Navi 3 big time, they would have no problem comparing 7800 XT to 6800 XT.

 

[tvshacker]

The cheapest 4060 TI starts at 380€, but i would go for an MSI version for 420-430€, if i would want to buy a 4060 TI, but i don't.

Sorry, I meant the 16GB version, I've edited the post.

Impossible. RDNA3 is as terrible in RT as RDNA2 is. 6950 XT as a bare minimum if you wanna have playable RT performance at 1080p... 7900 XTX if you want to have at least half of other settings being higher than the absolute minimum.

7800 XT, with its specs, will fail to outperform 6800 XT. It is a very horrible offer. 7700 XT is made even more overpriced precisely for this reason. Hardcode limited to only be supported by 7000s, FSR3 could've in a very ugly way but help RDNA3 to become viable. But, firstly, there is no such thing as FSR3. And, secondly, there will be no such thing as FSR3 for a couple weeks more at the very least.

Well the 4060TI 16GB seems to offer similar RT performance to the 6800XT so I don't think I made an outlandish comparison/prediction.

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[Macro Device]

Well the 4060TI 16GB seems to offer similar RT performance to the 6800XT so I don't think I made an outlandish comparison/prediction.

I don't quite see any way for 7800 XT to be any faster than 6800 XT (<10% don't count) since it has 60 VS 72 CUs. This basically means it has to have at least 20% higher clocks (which is possible, not gonna lie, but do you really expect AMD to get us 3+ GHz on 7800 XT? I hardly doubt they will be so generous) than its predecessor to stay on par. Not to mention lower cache volume.

This means 7800 XT will be best case scenario on par with 4060 Ti in RT. DLSS3 makes 4060 Ti destroy all AMD cards in RT (despite being a terrible RT performer in overall).

7800 XT's fate is to be heavily discounted and to be a 4060's competition. Both nVidia and AMD offer very terrible products below highest tiers and AMD is outjensening nVidia. No one wants RX 7600. No one wants RTX 4060 Ti. No one wants RTX 4070. They all are so severely cut down it makes negative sense to buy them if you already have something of two previous gens.

These conclusions imply FSR3 will be a major fail, even more major than it currently is (it's a whole year too late already). If this ends up being incorrect and FSR3 somehow some way will be at least on par with DLSS3 and at the same time be more stable and faster on RDNA3 compared to RDNA2, then RDNA3 will get their demand. But now, it's just RDNA2 refresh for a very insignificant discount.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

These conclusions imply FSR3 will be a major fail

These conclusions isn't enough to make your prediction for FSR3 valid.