Intel 14th Gen Raptor Lake Refresh Full Lineup Leaks Out

[Hxx]

If I upgrade the GPU, I will have a CPU bottleneck.

Im running an i9 9900K @ 5GHz, 16GB RAM, Asus STRIX 3080Ti.

You would need both a cpu and a gpu upgrade (ram too) for 4k gaming but depends on which titles … I’m assuming latest AAA. I would figure out your budget and go from there

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

You would need both a cpu and a gpu upgrade (ram too) for 4k gaming but depends on which titles … I’m assuming latest AAA. I would figure out your budget and go from there

My plan is a complete system overhaul. I typically keep a system for 3-5 years so I plan on going balls to the walls.

 

[bug]

Yeah you answered it yourself there.

I know what they are, I was saying they don't make sense for the few $ saved. Though as others have pointed out, depending on SKU, the difference can be higher than that.

 

[Hxx]

My plan is a complete system overhaul. I typically keep a system for 3-5 years so I plan on going balls to the walls.

Balls to the walls for gaming would be an am5 platform with a 7800x3d/7950x3d and a 4090 / 7900xtx depending on which titles.. and 32gb cl30 ddr5

 

[bug]

All CPU's need to support ECC by default. I dont understand why this isnt a thing.

It's not needed. It would drive up the cost of RAM, CPU and motherboard in order to avoid something like one error a year.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Balls to the walls for gaming would be an am5 platform with a 7800x3d/7950x3d and a 4090 / 7900xtx depending on which titles.. and 32gb cl30 ddr5

I don't want to go amd because I don't want to deal with the long boot times and memory training

 

[beedoo]

I don't want to go amd because I don't want to deal with the long boot times and memory training

How long are these long boot times and memory training taking?

I've got a Threadripper 2950X (which needs replacing) and an AM5 7700X - both with all solid state drives, and the latter is significantly faster to boot.

Maybe I'm just out of touch and Intel systems are instant these days.

 

[Hxx]

I don't want to go amd because I don't want to deal with the long boot times and memory training

Those times can be significantly shortened by enabling memory context restore in bios . You can read up on it on Reddit since this question was asked times and times again

otherwise core i5 13500k … I wouldn’t go any higher on an intel platform for 4k gaming

 

[bug]

How long are these long boot times and memory training taking?

I've got a Threadripper 2950X (which needs replacing) and an AM5 7700X - both with all solid state drives, and the latter is significantly faster to boot.

Maybe I'm just out of touch and Intel systems are instant these days.

DDR5 systems may require training

A small number of DDR5 systems and motherboards require a period of "training" newly installed memory to work with the system and allow access to the UEFI, or otherwise to complete the system's power-on self-test (POST).

www.crucial.com

Intel boot isn't instant (no UEFI boot will ever be ), but afaik, Intel either doesn't need this or it just does it much, much faster.
The worst part is there's no feedback during this process, so users may unknowingly reboot, restarting the whole process and wondering why there's no more POST anymore.

 

[Hxx]

DDR5 systems may require training

A small number of DDR5 systems and motherboards require a period of "training" newly installed memory to work with the system and allow access to the UEFI, or otherwise to complete the system's power-on self-test (POST).

www.crucial.com

Intel boot isn't instant (no UEFI boot will ever be ), but afaik, Intel either doesn't need this or it just does it much, much faster.
The worst part is there's no feedback during this process, so users may unknowingly reboot, restarting the whole process and wondering why there's no more POST anymore.

Yeah I don’t mind the long-er boot times on my ryzen system for this very reason because I can get in bios much easier than on my older intel platform with its fast boot times. Easier to figure out if my ram oc is messed up or not lol

 

[Minus Infinity]

Pointless annual release / refresh by intel to please their largest system builders. The sooner this trash comes out the quicker they can focus on meteor lake

They need something to tide them over until Arrow Lake arrives in 12 months, as they'll will be getting the crap kicked out of them in early 2025 (March/April) by Zen 5 which is showing huge IPC uplifts > 20%.

 

[Why_Me]

Balls to the walls for gaming would be an am5 platform with a 7800x3d/7950x3d and a 4090 / 7900xtx depending on which titles.. and 32gb cl30 ddr5

A few fps less than the 7800X3D and you don't have to become an AMD guinea pig.

 

[Verpal]

A few fps less than the 7800X3D and you don't have to become an AMD guinea pig.

Won't say its guinea pig, more like people don't realize most game either don't substantially or only marginally benefit from oversized L3 cache, only a short list of game greatly benefit from L3 caches.

For me its fine, I know I do play tons of simulation game, but most PC builder just quickly look at averages in benchmark before deciding what to buy, instead of reading in depth into details.

 

[Hxx]

A few fps less than the 7800X3D and you don't have to become an AMD guinea pig.

i dunno if i would take a more expensive chip, running much hotter needing a much beefier cooler on a dying platform for the sake of.... nothing i mean there is no benefits of going with an intel gaming rig vs amd ....,maybe cheaper boards. i mean imagine how much brute force that chip needs to even match an x3d on average.

 

[Why_Me]

i dunno if i would take a more expensive chip, running much hotter needing a much beefier cooler on a dying platform for the sake of.... nothing i mean there is no benefits of going with an intel gaming rig vs amd ....,maybe cheaper boards.

Cheaper boards, better memory controller, no retarded memory training, etc ...

 

[Hxx]

better memory controller

noone cares about this unless youre benchmarking. the difference between 6K MT and 8k MT is peanuts in games.

 

[AnotherReader]

It's not needed. It would drive up the cost of RAM, CPU and motherboard in order to avoid something like one error a year.

It wouldn't drive up the cost of the CPU as the CPU already supports it. Intel disables it for product segmentation. Additional motherboard cost would be trivial as well. Only the cost of ECC RAM is higher due to the additional chips.

 

[Hxx]

Won't say its guinea pig, more like people don't realize most game either don't substantially or only marginally benefit from oversized L3 cache, only a short list of game greatly benefit from L3 caches.

For me its fine, I know I do play tons of simulation game, but most PC builder just quickly look at averages in benchmark before deciding what to buy, instead of reading in depth into details.

from the very screenshot you replied to:

"Things look different with gaming. Here the 7800X3D can flex its muscle, because it is a perfect match—games don't need a lot of cores, but love to have a lot of fast cache memory, all wrapped in a single CCD with low latencies. This winning combo makes sure the 7800X3D storms to the top of our charts, beating all the other processors in our test group, including 13900K and 7950X3D."

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU - Value & Conclusion | TechPowerUp

 

[JustBenching]

The 2 most recent games seem to be doing great on amd, totally buy

Spoiler

 

[beedoo]

Every time I swing by and read comments from the regular dick-measuring cohort; I die a little bit inside.

 

[Dragam1337]

Repurposed defective dies, nothig wrong with that. What doesn't make sense to me is the F SKUs. Why would I opt out of an IGP, which can be a life saver in case your GPU craps out, only to save $5-10?

Last intel cpu i had was an F sku. In alot of places in the world, the price difference between non-f and f is quite substantial. For the cpu in question the difference was 80 usd.

Secondly i've never used the igpu on one of my desktop pc's, ever... so it's just wasted die space and wasted power having it running on the cpu in the first.

Had there been a 7800x3D without igpu, i would have bought that instead of the standard version. Instead i've had to disable the igpu in the bios...

 

[sLowEnd]

Repurposed defective dies, nothig wrong with that. What doesn't make sense to me is the F SKUs. Why would I opt out of an IGP, which can be a life saver in case your GPU craps out, only to save $5-10?

If you have spare cards you might not care for the iGPU.

The price difference is more than $5-10 in some cases.

In Canada for example, the 12100 goes for about $150 most of the time.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/qrhFf7/intel-core-i3-12100-33-ghz-quad-core-processor-bx8071512100

The 12100F goes for about $120 most of the time.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/grhFf7/intel-core-i3-12100f-33-ghz-quad-core-processor-bx8071512100f

The 13600K goes for about $410 most of the time.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/LfNxFT/intel-core-i5-13600k-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600k

13600KF, about $380 most of the time.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/GVM48d/intel-core-i5-13600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600kf

$30CAD is about $22USD.

 

[bug]

Last intel cpu i had was an F sku. In alot of places in the world, the price difference between non-f and f is quite substantial. For the cpu in question the difference was 80 usd.

Secondly i've never used the igpu on one of my desktop pc's, ever... so it's just wasted die space and wasted power having it running on the cpu in the first.

Had there been a 7800x3D without igpu, i would have bought that instead of the standard version. Instead i've had to disable the igpu in the bios...

Yes, for $80 it makes sense to go with an F CPU.
But when the difference is $5-10, the IGP is a nice insurance if something happens to your video card. It's also a nice option for those that just want to work on a PC and not game.

 

[folto_esempio529]

Im really hoping i can get my hands on a new system soon and plop in a 14900K. Would be a huge upgrade over my 9900K.

bro, I advise you to choose the 15th generation processors, they will have the LGA 1851 socket and will lose DDR4 support, they will also have a better integrated video card than the 13th and 14th generation processors.

 

[bug]

bro, I advise you to choose the 15th generation processors, they will have the LGA 1851 socket and will lose DDR4 support, they will also have a better integrated video card than the 13th and 14th generation processors.

Waiting for products with a vague release horizon... that's not how this game is played.