Unity to Start Charging Per-Installation Fee with New Business Model Update

[kondamin]

It's not retroactive, ie it only applies to new builds. Which means anything newly made. Which while perfectly legal, is plenty bad enough to avoid using it.

so if i have been working on a project for 3 years thinking I’m going to be able to work with the initial licence at launch I can just forget about that and throw out 3 years of work.

doesn’t really sit right

 

[progste]

Nothing, but it's not a high level language based one. It uses C++ to my knowledge. This makes both modding more diffilcult, and attracts a different type of dev.

bruh, C++ is a high level language. It also performs better than scripting languages used by some other engines.

 

[Assimilator]

bruh, C++ is a high level language.

C++ is a low-level language pretending to be a high-level one. Doesn't matter how many new features they continue to bolt onto that shambling zombie, it's never going to be alive.

It also performs better than scripting languages used by some other engines.

Well of course it does, it's compiled. But so is C#.

 

[progste]

C++ is a low-level language pretending to be a high-level one. Doesn't matter how many new features they continue to bolt onto that shambling zombie, it's never going to be alive.


Well of course it does, it's compiled. But so is C#.

well first of all even C is a high level language, low level languages are stuff like assembly, but even so C++ is far, far removed from its parent language and when using it to make game objects you don't have to delve in the complexity left over from C.
C# is usually a compiled language, but it's used for scripting in engines like Unity and Godot(optional) and you can see it from the poor performance of unity-made games when things start to get a bit more complicated.

 

[R-T-B]

so if i have been working on a project for 3 years thinking I’m going to be able to work with the initial licence at launch I can just forget about that and throw out 3 years of work.

doesn’t really sit right

I didn't say it did. You'd have to have already published. Just the way it is and yes it's asinine as all heck.

well first of all even C is a high level language

Once maybe, in an age of C# and Java and such no one considers it one anymore in day to day speak.

bruh, C++ is a high level language. It also performs better than scripting languages used by some other engines.

Someone is a fellow 80s programmer who didn't update his linguistics libraries.

Regardless of the articulation of the point though, the point stands: No one using and trained primarily in C# is going to easily migrate to a C++ world.

you can see it from the poor performance of unity-made games when things start to get a bit more complicated.

This is really a dev skill issue much more than a "C# bad" issue. That said, Unity has sunk itself so why even bother to defend it now?

I'm half tempted too because I have a lot of skill in it (ironically half of my skill in it is in fighting it on telemetry, as well as other game mods), but unlike many, I am at least prepared to migrate for personal use, and mods aren't levied fees, so yeah.

Nothing left here but wasted talent and potential for a decent engine, sadly.

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

well first of all even C is a high level language, low level languages are stuff like assembly, but even so C++ is far, far removed from its parent language and when using it to make game objects you don't have to delve in the complexity left over from C.
C# is usually a compiled language, but it's used for scripting in engines like Unity and Godot(optional) and you can see it from the poor performance of unity-made games when things start to get a bit more complicated.

Poor performance is as likely more of a coding issue than language choice issue in 90+% of cases. Plenty of Unity games are pretty much shovelware tier, so not like they'd be carefully optimized for max performance either, and even big releases are known to have issues in that regard.

 

[trsttte]

bruh, C++ is a high level language. It also performs better than scripting languages used by some other engines.

To embedded nerds (not making a dig, I'm one myself) sure is, but in the big scheme of things it's really not. Performance wise things are not as they once seemed, you can have compiled python competing with C code but without needing to spend a week debugging pointers and memory access or reinventing well known utilities and data structures

bolt onto that shambling zombie, it's never going to be alive.

well first of all even C is a high level language, low level languages are stuff like assembly, but even so C++ is far, far removed from its parent language and when using it to make game objects you don't have to delve in the complexity left over from C.

C is not a high level language, even says so in the C "bible" (Kernighan and Ritchie's book). C++ might seem "high level" to people from an electronics background like i'm assuming you are but if you start using modern languages like python or java, or the new kids on the block like kotlin you'll see the differences are night and day.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

What's wrong with Unreal?

Unreal is great, but it is more technically complex then unity. For single devs without the backing of investors, unity is a lot easier to work with and learn on the fly.

 

[Sp33d Junki3]

we've worked on few projects on Unity, all this is just unreal.
When board members sold shares before announcement, 1.4-2.5 mil
That is a nice nest egg, one that should be looked at.

 

[R-T-B]

we've worked on few projects on Unity, all this is just unreal.
When board members sold shares before announcement, 1.4-2.5 mil
That is a nice nest egg, one that should be looked at.

The selling of shares is vastly overplayed from what I've seen. It seems more the CEO is just a moron and has been a trainwreck for a while.

 

[thesmokingman]

The selling of shares is vastly overplayed from what I've seen. It seems more the CEO is just a moron and has been a trainwreck for a while.

That's insider trading lol.

 

[R-T-B]

That's insider trading lol.

Being a moron? No it's not.

My point is his sales have not been statistically significant relevant to his holdings, which they would need to be for an Insider Trading scenario.

 

[thesmokingman]

Being a moron? No it's not.

My point is his sales have not been statistically significant relevant to his holdings, which they would need to be for an Insider Trading scenario.

Whose the moron? Don't get all pisssy. The poster mentioned board members. And it doesn't matter shit all what you think, these trades need to be filed so its not some dude's word.

 

[R-T-B]

Whose the moron? Don't get all pisssy. The poster mentioned board members.

The CEO. ie I wasn't insulting you man.

If I was a board member when news of this broke I'd dump too. That wouldn't be insider trading at that point. If anyone dumped before public news I've yet to see solid evidence on it, but am open to being wrong.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I've already posted this on R-T-B's page as a joke. But now I can post it here and its on topic!

Note: its a joke and contains a bit of misinformation. But then again, Unity itself is full of misinformation as they're backtracking / "clarifying" what their words actually mean. I don't think anyone has a solid idea of what's going on anymore aside from "trust has been broken" at a large scale. A lot of the details to this story will be changing as Unity realizes how much they've messed up here...

 

[thesmokingman]

we've worked on few projects on Unity, all this is just unreal.
When board members sold shares before announcement, 1.4-2.5 mil
That is a nice nest egg, one that should be looked at.

I did a quick look and sure enough there were a lot of insider trades. I'm not an Unity investor so I haven't looked into the timing of the filings, but shit like this is a red ass flag. Total shit company here and they know it by these trades SIX DAYS before. Trades like this are a big FU to investors.

Unity executives, including the CEO, sold shares prior to the recent controversial announcement

Recent share sales suggest the company officials were prepared for the stock decline, alluding to insider trading.

www.xfire.com

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/u/insider-activity

 

[trsttte]

Whose the moron? Don't get all pisssy. The poster mentioned board members. And it doesn't matter shit all what you think, these trades need to be filed so its not some dude's word.

The CEO. ie I wasn't insulting you man.

If I was a board member when news of this broke I'd dump too. That wouldn't be insider trading at that point. If anyone dumped before public news I've yet to see solid evidence on it, but am open to being wrong.

Not every trade by an insider is considered insider trading or illegal, the board of directors always knows more than the public, they would be barred from trading shares of their company which would make most stock option bonuses illegal.

How do you prove that he knew this decision would be unpopular and the stock would fall? Why would they make such a decision, are they trying to screw their own company? How do you seperate incompetence from insider trading? How do you connect a trade to a specific piece of information only the insider knew?

 

[thesmokingman]

Not every trade by an insider is considered insider trading or illegal, the board of directors always knows more than the public, they would be barred from trading shares of their company which would make most stock option bonuses illegal.

How do you prove that he knew this decision would be unpopular and the stock would fall? Why would they make such a decision, are they trying to screw their own company? How do you seperate incompetence from insider trading? How do you connect a trade to a specific piece of information only the insider knew?

I'm not a lawyer for the SEC but these trades here certainly look like the bad kind. Taking profits before you cause the share price to get dumped, yea not a good look. Why you defending this shit?????

The CEO. ie I wasn't insulting you man.

If I was a board member when news of this broke I'd dump too. That wouldn't be insider trading at that point. If anyone dumped before public news I've yet to see solid evidence on it, but am open to being wrong.

You don't have to be an insider, but be trading on inside news like the guy who traded Pfizer right at the beginning of the pandemic.

“As alleged in our complaint, Amit Dagar misused his access to confidential clinical trial results to enrich himself and his friend, Atul Bhiwapurkar,” said Joseph Sansone, Chief of the Market Abuse Unit. “Dagar and Bhiwapurkar allegedly leveraged this information by trading out-of-the-money call options to generate massive one-day returns. Thanks to our surveillance, the defendants must now face the consequences of their greed.”

 

[R-T-B]

You don't have to be an insider, but be trading on inside news like the guy who traded Pfizer right at the beginning of the pandemic.

I know, which is why I placed great emphasis on the dates at which the news broke.

I did a quick look and sure enough there were a lot of insider trades. I'm not an Unity investor so I haven't looked into the timing of the filings, but shit like this is a red ass flag. Total shit company here and they know it by these trades SIX DAYS before. Trades like this are a big FU to investors.

Unity executives, including the CEO, sold shares prior to the recent controversial announcement

Recent share sales suggest the company officials were prepared for the stock decline, alluding to insider trading.

www.xfire.com

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/u/insider-activity

Thanks, new reading material for me.

 

[dragontamer5788]

These Redditors are blaming the board rather than the CEO: https://www.reddit.com/r/unity/comments/16j23ci
Plenty of alternate opinions and alternate takes on this subject. I don't think I have an opinion yet. Something clearly has gone wrong but I'm not sure how to wrap my head around it.

 

[R-T-B]

These Redditors are blaming the board rather than the CEO: https://www.reddit.com/r/unity/comments/16j23ci
Plenty of alternate opinions and alternate takes on this subject. I don't think I have an opinion yet. Something clearly has gone wrong but I'm not sure how to wrap my head around it.

Same status here. It's just too much of a mess to read right now.

 

[AusWolf]

I did a quick look and sure enough there were a lot of insider trades. I'm not an Unity investor so I haven't looked into the timing of the filings, but shit like this is a red ass flag. Total shit company here and they know it by these trades SIX DAYS before. Trades like this are a big FU to investors.

Unity executives, including the CEO, sold shares prior to the recent controversial announcement

Recent share sales suggest the company officials were prepared for the stock decline, alluding to insider trading.

www.xfire.com

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/u/insider-activity

Sell stock at high price, then introduce some stupid rules that bring the price down, and buy them back. Money laundering at its best.

I just don't know how many devs will have any trust in Unity after this debacle.

 

[Wye]

Unity still being single threaded in 2023 coupled with greedy fees made me cancel my game I've been working for a few years now.

 

[trsttte]

I did a quick look and sure enough there were a lot of insider trades. I'm not an Unity investor so I haven't looked into the timing of the filings, but shit like this is a red ass flag. Total shit company here and they know it by these trades SIX DAYS before. Trades like this are a big FU to investors.

Unity executives, including the CEO, sold shares prior to the recent controversial announcement

Recent share sales suggest the company officials were prepared for the stock decline, alluding to insider trading.

www.xfire.com

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/u/insider-activity

Sorry but what a bunch of sensasionalist and click baity bullshit, just look at the nasdaq market activity you posted, they were automatic orders and for exemple Tomer Bar-Zeev 37000 shares are but a small part of his over all 1.2 million shares.

It's concerning that the CEO and one of the directors hold no shares or barely any shares in the company but from what I can see it's been that way for a long while and that would be a matter of shareholder confidence (or more appropriately lack thereof), not insider trading.

I'm not a lawyer for the SEC but these trades here certainly look like the bad kind. Taking profits before you cause the share price to get dumped, yea not a good look. Why you defending this shit?????

I'm not defending anything, I'm just looking past a silly headline and instead looking at the actual numbers. Do i thrust a company where the CEO holds no skin in the game? Nope, not one bit, but is it insider trading when the same automatic orders go over every months? Also nope

 

[R-T-B]

Unity still being single threaded in 2023 coupled with greedy fees made me cancel my game I've been working for a few years now.

Unity is only single threaded if you write your game single threaded? It's an engine its really up to you to multithread, it provides the tools. It's not easy, but it never is.

Don't worry though, there are plenty of reasons to avoid it now.