Raspberry Pi Foundation Launches Raspberry Pi 5

[silent majority]

If you don't play games, this is enough; you don't need a PC.

 

[jayjr1105]

 

[TheLostSwede]

You're describing getting the platform up to par. I would assume this part is taken care of by the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
After this step, I would expect running pretty much everything would be business as usual.

Sadly no. Due to the use of the Videocore from Broadcom, they're still having a lot of limitations when it comes to what the GPU can do, both in terms of 3D and video playback.
It's always been one of the big drawbacks of the RPi.
Ethernet I'm sure they'll have figured out as well as some of the other things their xinese counterparts are struggling with, but there are still issues with the platform that are unlikely to ever be resolved, unless Broadcom decides to open up their Videocore. It's by far the biggest complaint about the platform as well.

I would imagine idle and light usage it would stay well under 10w. Just because the power brick is 5v5a doesn't mean it will use that all the time.

Doesn't make it a 5 W computer though and the idle power of most Arm chips is sub 1 W.
That said, from what I've seen so far, it appears that the RPi foundation has a lot of power optimisation left to do.

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That's headless or a screenshot from the RPi 5? Throwing that up with no context ells us nothing.

 

[bug]

Sadly no. Due to the use of the Videocore from Broadcom, they're still having a lot of limitations when it comes to what the GPU can do, both in terms of 3D and video playback.
It's always been one of the big drawbacks of the RPi.
Ethernet I'm sure they'll have figured out as well as some of the other things their xinese counterparts are struggling with, but there are still issues with the platform that are unlikely to ever be resolved, unless Broadcom decides to open up their Videocore. It's by far the biggest complaint about the platform as well.

Fair enough. Somehow my brain was set on headless usage for these, but yes, the plague of SoCs using proprietary, closed video (and other) drivers is still very much with us

 

[Frick]

See above. We're way past that now, as the RPi 5 is none of what you're describing.

What are the use cases for big performance and a lot of bandwidth?

 

[jayjr1105]

That's headless or a screenshot from the RPi 5? Throwing that up with no context ells us nothing.

Not headless

 

[TheLostSwede]

Fair enough. Somehow my brain was set on headless usage for these, but yes, the plague of SoCs using proprietary, closed video (and other) drivers is still very much with us

It's far from perfect in the x86/64 world either, but it's improving a lot faster.

What are the use cases for big performance and a lot of bandwidth?

Ask the people that has been pestering the RPi foundation about it.
Is this was to remain a low cost tinkering platform, not that many.

Not headless

Yeah, I'm not going to watch a video. Did it do anything advanced with the GPU or any interface at 6 W or just running pure CPU compute benchmarks?

 

[Frick]

Ask the people that has been pestering the RPi foundation about it.
Is this was to remain a low cost tinkering platform, not that many.

I'm not talking tinkering platforms though, I'm talking about things like using them as control centres for mobile homes, ventilation or any scenario which includes sensors and/or user input, of which there are so many. I thought that was the reason companies gobbled up any avaliable inventory, that they are insanley useful in so many scenarios.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

If you don't play games, this is enough; you don't need a PC.

If you don't do work and want to play games this is enough. Most non tinkerers using the Pi are just running emulation stations and it's very good at that.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I'm not talking tinkering platforms though, I'm talking about things like using them as control centres for mobile homes, ventilation or any scenario which includes sensors and/or user input, of which there are so many. I thought that was the reason companies gobbled up any avaliable inventory, that they are insanley useful in so many scenarios.

I believe it has more to do with the mature software, less hassle than trying to get one of the xinese SoC up and running properly.
I've been involved in a couple of AllWinner and Rockchip based projects and the software side is not mature at all.
It really comes down to the hardware needs, but companies like STMicro is now seemingly taking over the low power, low cost but half decent software support side of things with their STM32MP1 family of chips. At least for those that don't need video playback or 3D graphics support.
For the use cases you mentioned, I'd say it's a vastly superior solution. However, it's not as readily available and requires some work to get the software up and running in most cases.

 

[jayjr1105]

It's far from perfect in the x86/64 world either, but it's improving a lot faster.


Ask the people that has been pestering the RPi foundation about it.
Is this was to remain a low cost tinkering platform, not that many.


Yeah, I'm not going to watch a video. Did it do anything advanced with the GPU or any interface at 6 W or just running pure CPU compute benchmarks?

I literally qued it up right when he goes over the power consumption part. It's full fat GUI desktop while running a CPU stress test and it maxed out at 6 watts. And that's not factoring in any efficiency loss of the power brick which is probably 90%~ or so efficiency. I can't imagine adding a GPU stress adding much more. Don't piss and moan over a non context screenshot if you're not going to observe the context when someone does post it.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Another "review". I runs hot without that active cooling and the RPi 4 wasn't exactly cool. SD card and USB 3.0 performance is still meh.
Tom's is seeing around 7 W power draw when stress testing the CPU.

Raspberry Pi 5 Review: A New Standard for Makers (Updated)

The first new flagship Pi in four years was worth the wait.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Canned Noodles]

I’ll wait for some overclocking reviews/guides to come out, then decide whether or not it’s worth the money
All that matters is how fast you can MAKE it

 

[Assimilator]

They've had nearly HALF A DECADE to improve on v4 and this is what they came up with? Still no USB-C data transfer which makes it obsolete out of the gate, still using mini-HDMI WHICH HAS A ROYALTY FEE instead of mini-DP WHICH DOES NOT... or if you had USB-C ports YOU COULD JUST PIPE DISPLAYPORT THROUGH THEM.

This isn't so much insulting as it is just plain stupid.

 

[jayjr1105]

They've had nearly HALF A DECADE to improve on v4 and this is what they came up with? Still no USB-C data transfer which makes it obsolete out of the gate, still using mini-HDMI WHICH HAS A ROYALTY FEE instead of mini-DP WHICH DOES NOT... or if you had USB-C ports YOU COULD JUST PIPE DISPLAYPORT THROUGH THEM.

This isn't so much insulting as it is just plain stupid.

An no eMMC or native m.2 slot on board. Have to buy a hat.

 

[AusWolf]

Nice! I used to have a NAS built around a Pi running Linux, but it was way too slow. I'm tempted to try again with the Pi 5.

 

[Greenslade]

You guys have been quick on the drawI only just saw the new PI5 announced by my fav UK You tuber Chris Explaining Computers.

Sadly the 3.5 audio jack had gone sadly it still has those micro HDMI ports. And who uses two screens with the PII thought USB3 ports were always 5gbIt has been a long time coming do you think it was worth the wait?Anything you were expecting to get on it?

An no eMMC or native m.2 slot on board. Have to buy a hat.

Thats more expense There are so many single board computers about.But they are limited by not being able to run as many Os,s on them as the PI.If they were i would try one of them. Ones that sell for less than £100.

They've had nearly HALF A DECADE to improve on v4 and this is what they came up with? Still no USB-C data transfer which makes it obsolete out of the gate, still using mini-HDMI WHICH HAS A ROYALTY FEE instead of mini-DP WHICH DOES NOT... or if you had USB-C ports YOU COULD JUST PIPE DISPLAYPORT THROUGH THEM.

This isn't so much insulting as it is just plain stupid.

I take it you want be buying one

Assimilator. ​

 

[Icon Charlie]

Not headless

IMHO Explaining computers is one of the best sites on Youtube. He has done more in helping common people understand this sector of tech than just about anyone of late. I have a lot of respect for this man.

 

[jayjr1105]

IMHO Explaining computers is one of the best sites on Youtube. He has done more in helping common people understand this sector of tech than just about anyone of late. I have a lot of respect for this man.

He's great. I love his clean and simple approach. And Mr. Scissors

 

[Tropick]

I’ll wait for some overclocking reviews/guides to come out, then decide whether or not it’s worth the money
All that matters is how fast you can MAKE it

This is the biggest thing I'm interested in. I want to get that A76 flying around at 3GHz if possible. I have my 4B 8GB running 2.2GHz delidded on an ICE Tower cooler using a 5.1v 4A power supply and it's incredibly snappy running 64-bit RPi OS. Great little linux messaround box.

 

[Greenslade]

IMHO Explaining computers is one of the best sites on Youtube. He has done more in helping common people understand this sector of tech than just about anyone of late. I have a lot of respect for this man.

I agree with you there

Icon Charlie If i had a teacher like him when i was at school i might have learnt something.Love his sence of humour Mr Scissors​

and Stanly the knife ​

He's great. I love his clean and simple approach. And Mr. Scissors

You left out Stanly the knife.

 

[Psychoholic]

Nice, my PI 4 (8GB) Runs my DNS/Adblock, Speedtest server and a nas.

 

[sLowEnd]

This was a surprise to me. I remember reading something last year saying we shouldn't expect a new Pi in 2023.

No, there won't be a Raspberry Pi 5 in 2023 - and here's why

Raspberry Pi will not release a Pi 5 in 2023, although that doesn't mean there won't be any work done on it.

www.zdnet.com

I guess the supply chain recovered better than they expected?

 

[cvaldes]

In 2023 a desktop PC really needs to have decent video playback performance (YouTube, etc.).

One of the tech media sites, maybe Tom’s Hardware points out that video playback has been Raspberry Pi’s Achilles heel and version 5 has not solved this shortcoming.

You are better off getting a cheap (~$150) PC with an Intel CPU (like N95 or N100) which will handle video playback without issue and of course provide broad compatibility with standard desktop applications.

I like my RPi4 but it is a poor choice as a goto desktop PC. I ran Kodi via LibreELEC for a while on it but gave up and replaced it with a Beelink Mini S12 (Intel N95).

 

[ixi]

Main question is here. Can it run minecraft and minecraft server?