AMD Ryzen 7000G APU Series Includes Lower End Models Based on "Phoenix 2"

[btarunr]

AMD is giving final touches to its Ryzen 7000G series desktop APUs that bring the 4 nm "Phoenix" monolithic processor silicon to the Socket AM5 desktop package. The star attraction with these processors is their large iGPU based on the latest RDNA3 graphics architecture, featuring up to 12 compute units worth 768 stream processors, and full DirectX 12 Ultimate feature-set support. These processors should be able to provide 720p to 1080p gaming with entry-medium settings, where you take take advantage of FSR for even better performance. At this point we don't know whether the Ryzen AI feature-set will make its way to the desktop platform. "Phoenix" features an 8-core/16-thread CPU based on the latest "Zen 4" microarchitecture.

An interesting development here is that not only is AMD bring the "Phoenix" silicon to the desktop platform, but the processor models highlighted in this leak reference the smaller "Phoenix 2" silicon. This chip is physically smaller, features a CPU with two "Zen 4" and four "Zen 4c" cores; and an iGPU that has no more than 4 compute units worth 256 stream processors. The OPN codes of at least three processor models surfaced on the web. These include the Ryzen 5 PRO 7500G (100-000001183-00), the Ryzen 5 7500G (100-00000931-00), and the Ryzen 3 7300G (100-000001187-00). No specs about these chips are known at this point. The PRO 7500G and regular 7500G are expected to feature the full 2+4 core configuration, while the 7300G could probably feature a 2+2 core configuration. If the company does plan a 7600G and 7700G, those would likely be based on "Phoenix" with 6 or 8 regular "Zen 4" cores.



Both "Phoenix" and "Phoenix 2" dies feature an identical I/O that includes a dual-channel DDR5 memory interface (4x 40-bit sub-channels), and a 24-lane PCI-Express Gen 4 root complex (4 fewer PCIe lanes than the "Raphael" MCM). On desktop motherboards, this could mean that the x16 PEG slot will run at Gen 4 speed even on B650E and X670E motherboards, and only one of the two CPU-attached x4 NVMe slots will be active, as the remaining 4 lanes from the processor will be allocated as chipset bus.

The leak also includes a handful of entry-mainstream mobile processor models based on "Hawk Point," which is likely a refreshed "Phoenix" and "Phoenix 2" silicon that carries forward "Zen 4" CPU cores to the Ryzen 8000 series, much in the same way that the "Zen 3" based "Rembrandt-R" was slotted into the Ryzen 7030 series. Among the processor models listed here are the Ryzen 7 8840U (100-000001325-00), Ryzen 5 8540U (100-000001326-00), Ryzen 5 PRO 8540U (100-000001331-00), Ryzen 3 8440U (100-00000XXX-00).



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[AusWolf]

Good! The market is starved of good low-end AMD APUs, as much as it is starved of top-end AMD GPUs. At least one of these isn't a pipe dream anymore. Fingers crossed!

 

[Denver]

Hm, They will use APUs to complete the Zen4 lineup with cheap competitors for i3 models, if this is based on Phoenix 2 it makes no sense to buy it to use the iGPU, 4CU RDNA3 must be inferior to Vega 7 on Ryzen 4600g/4650g/5600G etc...

AM4 is also more accessible for users on a super tight budget.

 

[AusWolf]

cheap competitors for i3 models

That's the key here, imo. The cheapest AMD options with an iGPU are the 5600G or the 7600 right now, neither of which are exactly cheap, especially considering overall platform costs. Not to mention, the 2 CU RDNA 2 unit in the 7600 is basically nothing more than a display output.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

The next iterations of the Steam deck and Ally look very promising.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Hm, They will use APUs to complete the Zen4 lineup with cheap competitors for i3 models, if this is based on Phoenix 2 it makes no sense to buy it to use the iGPU, 4CU RDNA3 must be inferior to Vega 7 on Ryzen 4600g/4650g/5600G etc...

AM4 is also more accessible for users on a super tight budget.

You think far too highly of vega. The 680m is regularly between twice, to twice and a half, faster then the vega 7

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Vega-7-vs-Radeon-680M_10098_11124.247598.0.html

And the low end phoenix isnt competing with the 5600g. That's silly. It's competing with the slower 4300g and it's vega 6. 'm confident that a 4cu rDNA3 could beat that, especially with faster DDR5 RAM.

 

[Denver]

You think far too highly of vega. The 680m is regularly between twice, to twice and a half, faster then the vega 7

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Vega-7-vs-Radeon-680M_10098_11124.247598.0.html

And the low end phoenix isnt competing with the 5600g. That's silly. It's competing with the slower 4300g and it's vega 6. 'm confident that a 4cu rDNA3 could beat that, especially with faster DDR5 RAM.

The 680M has 12CU, if you move the comparison to the 660M with 6CU you will see that the performance is very similar to the Vega 7 especially on APUs with high TDP.

 

[Chrispy_]

The 680M has 12CU, if you move the comparison to the 660M with 6CU you will see that the performance is very similar to the Vega 7 especially on APUs with high TDP.

Yep, played with a 660M laptop earlier this year and it wasn't noticeably faster in any graphics loads than the 4700U I used to own with a Vega 7.
The only difference is that it managed at 15W what the much older Renoir chip managed at 22.5W

 

[SL2]

Hm, They will use APUs to complete the Zen4 lineup with cheap competitors for i3 models, if this is based on Phoenix 2 it makes no sense to buy it to use the iGPU, 4CU RDNA3 must be inferior to Vega 7 on Ryzen 4600g/4650g/5600G etc...

If current AM5 (2 x RDNA2) models have 55% the performance of a 5600G, then I'd guess 4 x RDNA3 beats the latter. That's a pretty good budget APU (even if not useful for me).

That's the key here, imo. The cheapest AMD options with an iGPU are the 5600G or the 7600 right now, neither of which are exactly cheap, especially considering overall platform costs.

The 5600G is €122, B550 for €68, 16GB for €35, = €225. Not bad for a cheap build. Edit: Forgot it's a PCIE3 CPU so cut €20 from the board if you like.
Just the 7600 starts at €228 tho.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

no more than 4 compute units

I hope that AMD will move to desktop also something more performed than was written in this article.

 

[SL2]

I hope that AMD will move to desktop also something more performed than was written in this article.

These are probably budget models that will go for less than the 5600G did at first ($260). I expect 5600G/5700G successors as well.

I don't know if those with more than 8 cores will be AM5.

Spoiler: teh futurez

Probably a bit of speculation going on here.. dunno how 40CU and regular RAM will work lol

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[TumbleGeorge]

These are probably budget models that will go for less than the 5600G did at first ($260). I expect 5600G/5700G successors as well.

I don't know if those with more than 8 cores will be AM5.

Spoiler: teh futurez

Probably a bit of speculation going on here.. dunno how 40CU and regular RAM will work lol
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If any of the listed processors make it to the desktop, they will certainly have an AM5 socket. There is no information that a different socket has been developed for use before the AM6 is ready and in use from mid-autumn 2026 (if there are no delays).

 

[Mawkzin]

If any of the listed processors make it to the desktop, they will certainly have an AM5 socket. There is no information that a different socket has been developed for use before the AM6 is ready and in use from mid-autumn 2026 (if there are no delays).

They will be on AM5 since they need ddr5 but the only one that will need a special socket is the Halo because of the 256b quad-channel interface and it's probably only for the notebook and embedded markets.

 

[SL2]

If any of the listed processors make it to the desktop, they will certainly have an AM5 socket.

I was hinting at soldered APU's on desktop boards, as it is currently the only way to get the fastest 6000/7040 APU's in somewhat desktop, not yet another socket.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

a special socket is the Halo

Has no reason to be developing socket only for one APU. If "Halo" exists out of rumors. Apple solding its M chips. And they are a company that can afford such an investment, if it makes any sense.

soldered APU's on desktop boards

I think that we talking about DIY desktop PCs. For OEM everything is possible.

 

[SL2]

I think that we talking about DIY desktop PCs.

Exactly, that's why I pointed out that those variants may not be available with a socket, just so people won't get all hyped up.

 

[Cheeseball]

That would be pretty disappointing if no "7700G" ever comes to fruiton. All they need to do is take a 7840U/7840HS/7940HS (12 CUs) and scale the TDP to at least 65W and you have a great monolithic desktop APU.

I'd get one for around $350 perhaps.

 

[Garrus]

AMD is taking too long. Even the RTX 4060 is too slow for 720p upscaled games now. Starfield, Alan Wake 2, Avatar.

We need an iGPU that is faster than the RTX 4060 for a good price to play games at 720p/60fps locked.

 

[SL2]

That would be pretty disappointing if no "7700G" ever comes to fruiton.

I wouldn't worry, those listed are probably OEM parts since they're listed together with laptop APU's.
AMD is usually late with their desktop APU's, but they've had 8 core models for two generations now.

 

[qcmadness]

AMD is taking too long. Even the RTX 4060 is too slow for 720p upscaled games now. Starfield, Alan Wake 2, Avatar.

We need an iGPU that is faster than the RTX 4060 for a good price to play games at 720p/60fps locked.

You will not get this anytime soon as APUs are very bandwidth-starved by the main memory.

 

[mechtech]

You will not get this anytime soon as APUs are very bandwidth-starved by the main memory.

Ya, it would be nice if they had some motherboards with a 4GB gddr6 chip soldered on dedcated for the on board graphics. I recall there used to be long ago.

 

[qcmadness]

Ya, it would be nice if they had some motherboards with a 4GB gddr6 chip soldered on dedcated for the on board graphics. I recall there used to be long ago.

Still a long way to go against 4060-class memory bandwidth.

 

[Hardware1906]

Hm, They will use APUs to complete the Zen4 lineup with cheap competitors for i3 models, if this is based on Phoenix 2 it makes no sense to buy it to use the iGPU, 4CU RDNA3 must be inferior to Vega 7 on Ryzen 4600g/4650g/5600G etc...

AM4 is also more accessible for users on a super tight budget.

2CU RDNA2 on Ryzen 7000 are already more than 50% performance of Vega 7
4CU RDNA3 would be identical to Vega 7 because of generation leaps (if the leap exists), but maybe the R3 7300G is the only one use 4CU option

 

[mechtech]

Still a long way to go against 4060-class memory bandwidth.

?? It's on board graphics. It's not meant to be 4060 dedicated gpu or bandwidth.

 

[Ruru]

Ya, it would be nice if they had some motherboards with a 4GB gddr6 chip soldered on dedcated for the on board graphics. I recall there used to be long ago.

Yeah some AM3 boards did have a 128MB DDR3 chip for the iGPU back in the day.