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Whats the point of a 5950x 3d? You realize the 7950x - or even the 7900x will be faster than the 5950x 3d on pretty much everything, games included? I really don't see the point. It won't even be cheaper than the 7900x is currently.
Because I'm using a high-end X570 mobo with no plan to upgrade to the next gen for at least 2+ years (or if future GPUs need PCIe 5.0 specifically), so I may as well max out what's possible on this mobo. So I really don't care if a 7800X3D or 7950X3D is faster, or even cheaper. It would still necessitate an entire wholesale upgrade of mobo + chip + ram at the very minimum, when I can just pay for a theoretical, high-end 5950X3D instead, and put the savings towards a next-gen GPU, ESPECIALLY if its for gaming. Or did you forget the cost of upgrading from AM4 to AM5?

Thus, my Christmas wish for a Ryzen 5950X3D announcement stands. Sure, it may not happen, but hoping costs me nothing. I'm still going to round out my main PC with a 5950X regardless; a 5950X3D would have just been a perfect endcap to this build.
 
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Because I'm using a high-end X570 mobo with no plan to upgrade to the next gen for at least 2+ years (or if future GPUs need PCIe 5.0 specifically), so I may as well max out what's possible on this mobo. So I really don't care if a 7800X3D or 7950X3D is faster, or even cheaper. It would still necessitate an entire wholesale upgrade of mobo + chip + ram at the very minimum, when I can just pay for a theoretical, high-end 5950X3D instead, and put the savings towards a next-gen GPU, ESPECIALLY if its for gaming. Or did you forget the cost of upgrading from AM4 to AM5?

exactly this, just because a newer generation exists it doesnt make last generation useless. It usually makes it a better value allowing you to reuse parts that have a lot of life left in em. Anyone who bought a decent motherboard with an AM4 socket has had an almost unheard of selection of cpus that are compatible within that sockets lifetime. The 5500x3d might be a hell of an upgrade for someone with a compatible bios on an older AM4 board, and the x3d chips tend not to sensitive to memory scaling, so you dont really leave any performance on the table if you just had DDR4 3000 basic kit, instead of more premium stuff like DDR4 3600/3800 CL16 to pair with it.

Im pretty excited to see what the cheapest x3d chip can do, and think it is a very smart move for AMD to keep AM4 relevant.
 
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exactly this, just because a newer generation exists it doesnt make last generation useless. It usually makes it a better value allowing you to reuse parts that have a lot of life left in em. Anyone who bought a decent motherboard with an AM4 socket has had an almost unheard of selection of cpus that are compatible within that sockets lifetime. The 5500x3d might be a hell of an upgrade for someone with a compatible bios on an older AM4 board, and the x3d chips tend not to sensitive to memory scaling, so you dont really leave any performance on the table if you just had DDR4 3000 basic kit, instead of more premium stuff like DDR4 3600/3800 CL16 to pair with it.

Im pretty excited to see what the cheapest x3d chip can do, and think it is a very smart move for AMD to keep AM4 relevant.
It is hard for only Intel users to understand that logic. It's not like Intel release a 11400 with better Vcache for Z490 chipset. This is essentially what AMD has done but Lisa Su did say they planned long term suipport for AM4 so there is no surprise here and objectively (As long as they are priced properly) a good thing for all 1700,2700,2600,3600 and even 3800x Gamers. As those have been some of the cheapest AM4 CPUs for the past 3+ years one could think that they have a willing crowd in there. As far as the 5700X3D if that is priced right it will become the 3300X of that generation of AM4.
 
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Because I'm using a high-end X570 mobo with no plan to upgrade to the next gen for at least 2+ years (or if future GPUs need PCIe 5.0 specifically), so I may as well max out what's possible on this mobo.
I'm basically maxing out my X570/5950x too and going to ride it out probably to AM6/AM7. I just one pice left to get maybe next year. An 8x combo card with 10Gbit NIC, 2 USBC, and 2 NVMe slots.
Or did you forget the cost of upgrading from AM4 to AM5?
I'm always looking for deals and it seems AM5 is getting closer to finally eating AM4's lunch every 3 months just not necessarily for existing AM4 owners happy for a modest CPU upgrade from a low or mid tier CPU. For brand new systems DDR5 prices have come way down. Finally some less expensive AM5 boards are emerging in the $150 price range. VRM's in general (as far as I know) aren't completely garbage in AM5 lower tier boards so they seem an ok option. The price differential of a 5800X3D vs. 7800X3D is fairly small, about $80 to $100, which alone seems justifiable to bump up to the 7800X3D in my opinion and PCIe 5 GPU's will eventually come around the corner if the lust for AI GPU chips doesn't unbalance the market like the bitcoin mining boom did.
 
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I wasn't saying "get the 7950x3d/7900x3d instead", i was saying the multi ccx parts with 3d cache so far have not been that great. The 7950x3d is slightly better than the 7950 but you need to use the stupid xbox game bar and get an aditional layer of complexity for little gain in most scenarios. You basically get a slighly worse 7800x3d for gaming and a slightly worse 7950 for everything else, it's a weird offering in my view and a 5950x3d might be worse because the io die and cache controllers weren't as mature to deal with this type of stuff - probably why it didn't see the light of day
Yeah, especially the 7900x 3d is a frankenstein, pointless CPU.

Because I'm using a high-end X570 mobo with no plan to upgrade to the next gen for at least 2+ years (or if future GPUs need PCIe 5.0 specifically), so I may as well max out what's possible on this mobo. So I really don't care if a 7800X3D or 7950X3D is faster, or even cheaper. It would still necessitate an entire wholesale upgrade of mobo + chip + ram at the very minimum, when I can just pay for a theoretical, high-end 5950X3D instead, and put the savings towards a next-gen GPU, ESPECIALLY if its for gaming. Or did you forget the cost of upgrading from AM4 to AM5?

Thus, my Christmas wish for a Ryzen 5950X3D announcement stands. Sure, it may not happen, but hoping costs me nothing. I'm still going to round out my main PC with a 5950X regardless; a 5950X3D would have just been a perfect endcap to this build.
I just don't think a 5950x 3d will cost less than 550€ and im being very generous here. In which case with 100€ more you can get a 7900x, ddr5 and a mobo. Granted, not the best of mobos, but you can still sell your old system and make up the difference. Upgradability really doesn't save you money, I learned it the hard way with the 5800x 3d :roll:
 
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I guess you have a 7900X3D to prove that.
Do I need to have a CPU to "prove" anything? It's supposedly a high end chip, costs high end money and it turns out it works like a 6 core for games. Uhm, great
 
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Do I need to have a CPU to "prove" anything? It's supposedly a high end chip, costs high end money and it turns out it works like a 6 core for games. Uhm, great
Then tell me why it feeds my GPU 3-5 more GB/s VRAM vs the 5800X3D at 4K?
 
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Then tell me why it feeds my GPU 3-5 more GB/s VRAM vs the 5800X3D at 4K?
No it doesn't. Are you telling me the 7900x 3d is faster than the 5800x 3d in 4k? With a 7900xt? Uhm...right.
 
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No it doesn't. Are you telling me the 7900x 3d is faster than the 5800x 3d in 4k? With a 7900xt? Uhm...right.
I could care less if you believe me or not but it is the same PC I am typing this post on.
 
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I could care less if you believe me or not but it is the same PC I am typing this post on.
Well if you are telling me that you are seeing a difference in 4k between a 5800x 3d and a 7900x 3d, with a 7900xt none the less, then yeah, it's not that I don't believe you, it's that it's literally impossible unless you are talking about valorant and cs go at 4k ultra low settings with FSR on top.
 
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Upgradability really doesn't save you money, I learned it the hard way with the 5800x 3d

If you bought it early sure, but right now it's a very good deal. Heck, it made Zen4 unnactractive until 3d cache versions started coming out and even now it's still an atractive option as an upgrade or even for an entire new build.

I don't know your specific case, maybe you got the runaround with mobo support like user NC37 but in general the 5800x3d is an excelent upgrade performance and cost wise.

Then tell me why it feeds my GPU 3-5 more GB/s VRAM vs the 5800X3D at 4K?
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The 7900x3d should slot somewhere in the middle between the 5800x3d and the 7950x3d. It's perfectly fine to be happy with ones purchase but I doubt you can significantly see what will be at most a 5% difference between both systems.
 
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The 7900x3d should slot somewhere in the middle between the 5800x3d and the 7950x3d. It's perfectly fine to be happy with ones purchase but I doubt you can significantly see what will be at most a 5% difference between both systems.
The graph above is with a 4090. A 7900xt is significantly slower, so I doubt there is even a 1% difference between the 2 cpus. Heck, even a 12400 can max out a 7900xt at 4k.
 
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If you bought it early sure, but right now it's a very good deal. Heck, it made Zen4 unnactractive until 3d cache versions started coming out and even now it's still an atractive option as an upgrade or even for an entire new build.

I don't know your specific case, maybe you got the runaround with mobo support like user NC37 but in general the 5800x3d is an excelent upgrade performance and cost wise.


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The 7900x3d should slot somewhere in the middle between the 5800x3d and the 7950x3d. It's perfectly fine to be happy with ones purchase but I doubt you can significantly see what will be at most a 5% difference between both systems.
Where is the 7900X3D in this chart?

The graph above is with a 4090. A 7900xt is significantly slower, so I doubt there is even a 1% difference between the 2 cpus. Heck, even a 12400 can max out a 7900xt at 4k.
Again you are waxing on the narrative. Speaking so confidently about a product you don't have.
 
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Where is the 7900X3D in this chart?


Again you are waxing on the narrative. Speaking so confidently about a product you don't have.
I don't need to have a 7900xt to tell you its significantly slower than a 4090 at 4k. That's a fact.

And it doesn't matter where the 7900x 3d is in the chart. Even if it's on the top of the chart (it isn't, cause 6 core gaming lmao) - there is no difference between that and a 5800x 3d with a 7900xt.
 
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I don't need to have a 7900xt to tell you its significantly slower than a 4090 at 4k. That's a fact.

And it doesn't matter where the 7900x 3d is in the chart. Even if it's on the top of the chart (it isn't, cause 6 core gaming lmao) - there is no difference between that and a 5800x 3d with a 7900xt.
Wow, I never thought I would meet an enthusiast with the living definition of hubris. I guess 5.0 drives are not faster than 4.0 drives in daily use either.

Wow, I never thought I would meet an enthusiast with the living definition of hubris. I guess 5.0 drives are not faster than 4.0 drives in daily use either.
What is the max clock of the 5800X3D? 4.45 Ghz what is the boost clock of the 7900X3D? 5.7 Ghz that seems to be a difference there. Maybe you can't see in your mind what CPU clock speed actually is to make such an asinine comment.
 
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Wow, I never thought I would meet an enthusiast with the living definition of hubris. I guess 5.0 drives are not faster than 4.0 drives in daily use either.


What is the max clock of the 5800X3D? 4.45 Ghz what is the boost clock of the 7900X3D? 5.7 Ghz that seems to be a difference there. Maybe you can't see in your mind what CPU clock speed actually is to make such an asinine comment.
Yeah, cause when you are completely gpu bound your CPU clockspeeds really do matter. :roll:
 
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Yeah, cause when you are completely gpu bound your CPU clockspeeds really do matter. :roll:
If you think a 7900XT can't do 4K you I can't help that. I guess a 7900XT is not faster than a 6800XT in your world. I know the narrative likes to think that it is not possible but using a 5800X3D with a 6500XT will get you faster frames vs a 3600 at 1080P. There is nothing that a 5800X3D does faster than a 7900X3D. If you add a 5.0 OS the gap widens. A 12 core/24 thread CPU is not 6 cores and what you don't understand is that there are 3 things that make the 7900X3D/7900XT combo special.

1. 2 CCDs with 6 cores produce less heat than 2 CCDs with 8 cores period less heat means more performance for Ryzen.
2. There are no Games that use more than 4 cores for raster
3. Rebar and Hyper RX are real improvements in raw performance

For the AMD users that have not met him let me expand as there is no TPU review. For those that have the 5900x, you know how that CPU just feels smooth in everything? For those that have a 5950X you know how that CPU feels snappy in everything? The 7900X3D is everything you want if you went from one of those to the 5800X3D and lament the Productivity performance (3DMark) to go to the fastest PC I have ever owned. I could post numbers but all I can say is all of the problems people have been complaining about for new releases have been a non issue for me. You see I actually believe what AMD tells me. So when I had my 6800XT and heard about 7000 I bought myself a FV43U. Using the 5800X3D/6800XT system I had to play some Games at 1440P the get over 100 FPS. Then I got the 7900XTX and that was great until something happened. I got my refund and saw that the 7900XT was $400 cheaper than the XTX for the series I had a Water block for. I got it and noticed maybe 10% less performance but I was getting close to 100 FPS in 4K. Then I got the 7900X3D and saw everything (even TW) consistently play at 120+ fps in all Games. Then AMD Drivers did there thing and today I have Hyper RX a software update that automatically applies those settings in Adrenlin. So now MSI Afterbutner is an after thought as AMD Overlay is even more granular than that and as AMD laptops evolve all AMD systems will benefit with the APU/GPU communication they are developing.

PS: I bought a MP700 1TB and that is about 15-20% faster than the Seagate FireCuda 530 2TB in daily use as an OS drive.

None of what I have said is hyperbole. This is after all an X3D thread and obviously AMD wants as many people to find their sweet spot for X3D chips. I am willing to bet that the 5500X3D will be a very popular first time chip and 6600s are actually around $200 CAD so the $600 Gaming PC may come back. I know the budget end has been crying for some love.
 
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If you think a 7900XT can't do 4K you I can't help that.
I neverr said it can't do 4k. My 1060 can do 4k. That is not the point. The point is it's not fast enough to bottleneck either a 5800x 3d or any CPU for that matter at 4k.

1. 2 CCDs with 6 cores produce less heat than 2 CCDs with 8 cores period less heat means more performance for Ryzen.
2. There are no Games that use more than 4 cores for raster
3. Rebar and Hyper RX are real improvements in raw performance
What types of games you are playing that don't use more than 4 cores? What the actual heck. Most games I've tried have severe issues with only 4 cores. You are not talking about CS go and valorant are you?
 
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I neverr said it can't do 4k. My 1060 can do 4k. That is not the point. The point is it's not fast enough to bottleneck either a 5800x 3d or any CPU for that matter at 4k.


What types of games you are playing that don't use more than 4 cores? What the actual heck. Most games I've tried have severe issues with only 4 cores. You are not talking about CS go and valorant are you?
Do you even read I said raster. Is Raster the only thing CPUs are responsible for in Games?
 

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as one of the few 5600x3d owners on this site, i just want to say it has been rock solid for me and even in the most demanding games i never see above 60 celsius, im happy i went with this one over the 5800x3d, saved a hundred bucks and about 10 celsius on top of that. i love cold temps :D
 
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Your logic is incredibly flawed here. AMD is releasing these not only more then a year after the x3d parts came out, but after their SUCCESOR platofrm came out, AND the successor x3d parts...
The logic isn't flawed, it's obvious.
If products and updates are still being released for a platform, even if the products are just cut-down or modified versions of previous products, the platform is not dead.
It's possible for a CPU manufacturer to support multiple platforms at once (and therefore have multiple platforms that are not dead), and that's exactly what AMD is doing here with AM4 and AM5. Not every new CPU has to be a high-end model released for the newest platform, and a platform doesn't immediately become dead the moment a newer platform comes along.

AMD is treating AM4 as a low-end platform which will exist alongside AM5 for high-end processors, at least until releasing low-end Zen 4 desktop processors becomes more profitable than continuing to sell Zen 3 for AM4, like what they did a few years ago for AM3+ and FM2+, and what Intel did for LGA 1155 alongside LGA 1356. In both cases, 2 platforms were supported alongside each other for desktop processors at different price points.

By your logic, you may as well say that AM5 is dead too, because sTR5 was recently announced.

Do you even read I said raster. Is Raster the only thing CPUs are responsible for in Games?
No... So why even bother to bring it up?
If a CPU isn't powerful enough to run the rest of the game's calculations that need to be performed every frame (this can include calculating resources, physics, etc) faster than the GPU can generate frames, it will bottleneck the GPU, regardless of what the raster threads are doing.
The point that fevgatos and trsttte are making is that in most modern games at 4K ultra settings, with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and an RX 7900 XT, performance will be limited by the GPU, so upgrading the CPU to a 7900X3D will not result in a significant increase to fps. This doesn't apply to all games, but it is demonstrably true for most, and benchmarks easily prove this.

What was "feeds my GPU 3-5 more GB/s VRAM" even supposed to mean? The CPU isn't connected to the VRAM, so it doesn't directly affect your VRAM bandwidth in any way. The CPU communicates with the GPU through PCIe. In what situations are you seeing your GPU get more VRAM bandwidth with the 7900X3D than with a 5800X3D, and does it actually affect performance? A more powerful CPU could potentially increase the VRAM usage with reBAR enabled as it would be able to access and use data from the GPU more often, but describing this as "feeding the GPU more VRAM" is completely backwards - it's using more bandwidth, not providing more bandwidth.
 
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The logic isn't flawed, it's obvious.
If products and updates are still being released for a platform, even if the products are just cut-down or modified versions of previous products, the platform is not dead.
It's possible for a CPU manufacturer to support multiple platforms at once (and therefore have multiple platforms that are not dead), and that's exactly what AMD is doing here with AM4 and AM5. Not every new CPU has to be a high-end model released for the newest platform, and a platform doesn't immediately become dead the moment a newer platform comes along.

AMD is treating AM4 as a low-end platform which will exist alongside AM5 for high-end processors, at least until releasing low-end Zen 4 desktop processors becomes more profitable than continuing to sell Zen 3 for AM4, like what they did a few years ago for AM3+ and FM2+, and what Intel did for LGA 1155 alongside LGA 1356. In both cases, 2 platforms were supported alongside each other for desktop processors at different price points.

By your logic, you may as well say that AM5 is dead too, because sTR5 was recently announced.
You dont understand my logic yet felt the need to comment on it. LMAO.

If you had read my comments, the logic I was criticizing was using the "4080 is obsolete because the 4090 exists" argument, because those are different products in the same stack, whereas the 5700x3d is a different product in a previous stack. I criticize the 5700/5500x3d because the 5800/5600 have been available for quite some time, with multiple sales that put them below the expected MSRP of these parts, said sales were easy to find and lasted quite some time. If someone wanted x3d at this price, well its been available for awhile already, and the niche of "wants a x3d and is willing to pay asking price but WASNT willing to buy at a cheaper price for over a year and still wants to dump hundreds into a EOL platform" is rather......how do we say? Small? Who are these people and why did they not get a 5800x3d when they were going for $220? Or the 5600x3ds that were on sale for $150 at one point?

But everyone's response to this question so far has been to accuse me of being biased(?) or just straight up anger. Tells me I'm on the right track here in saying these are likely a waste of time when there is such a major hole in the AM5 stack for a decent low price product.
 
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The logic isn't flawed, it's obvious.
If products and updates are still being released for a platform, even if the products are just cut-down or modified versions of previous products, the platform is not dead.
It's possible for a CPU manufacturer to support multiple platforms at once (and therefore have multiple platforms that are not dead), and that's exactly what AMD is doing here with AM4 and AM5. Not every new CPU has to be a high-end model released for the newest platform, and a platform doesn't immediately become dead the moment a newer platform comes along.

AMD is treating AM4 as a low-end platform which will exist alongside AM5 for high-end processors, at least until releasing low-end Zen 4 desktop processors becomes more profitable than continuing to sell Zen 3 for AM4, like what they did a few years ago for AM3+ and FM2+, and what Intel did for LGA 1155 alongside LGA 1356. In both cases, 2 platforms were supported alongside each other for desktop processors at different price points.

By your logic, you may as well say that AM5 is dead too, because sTR5 was recently announced.


No... So why even bother to bring it up?
If a CPU isn't powerful enough to run the rest of the game's calculations that need to be performed every frame (this can include calculating resources, physics, etc) faster than the GPU can generate frames, it will bottleneck the GPU, regardless of what the raster threads are doing.
The point that fevgatos and trsttte are making is that in most modern games at 4K ultra settings, with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and an RX 7900 XT, performance will be limited by the GPU, so upgrading the CPU to a 7900X3D will not result in a significant increase to fps. This doesn't apply to all games, but it is demonstrably true for most, and benchmarks easily prove this.

What was "feeds my GPU 3-5 more GB/s VRAM" even supposed to mean? The CPU isn't connected to the VRAM, so it doesn't directly affect your VRAM bandwidth in any way. The CPU communicates with the GPU through PCIe. In what situations are you seeing your GPU get more VRAM bandwidth with the 7900X3D than with a 5800X3D, and does it actually affect performance? A more powerful CPU could potentially increase the VRAM usage with reBAR enabled as it would be able to access and use data from the GPU more often, but describing this as "feeding the GPU more VRAM" is completely backwards - it's using more bandwidth, not providing more bandwidth.
So what is Re bar? Is not Rebar a technology where the CPU has all access to the entire VRAM buffer? Only because they think that a 7900XT cannot push 4K do they believe it.


That could be why the 7900xt is the card for 4K in this Game and that is not me but AMD saying that.

Do you know what Hyper RX is? Just because everyone one of relevance on Youtube uses a 4090 for their rigs means that other cards are not viable at that resolution.

The funniest is that I don't even have the BIOS that puts my card to 400W power draw. You could ask yourself how a GPU with the specs of the 7900XT could be considered a bottleneck at 4K.
 
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