AMD Ryzen 8000G Socket AM5 Desktop APU Lineup Detailed

[Count von Schwalbe]

FWIW, these will have media encoders the RX 6400 lacks.

 

[SL2]

It's funny how people are prepared paying a premium when it comes to top CPU performance, but not for the best IGPU's.

The 8700G is an overpriced niche product that makes the 7800X3D look mainstream, oh and they'll probably cost the same when the former launches.

 

[chrcoluk]

It's close to RX 470/6400 in terms of performance if we're talking 8700G. Slower but not by a heap. Meaning you can play 720p60 (1080p + FSR: Balanced) Cyberpunk on not so high settings with visible but not game breaking stutters.

This actually is really not bad for an iGPU but that doesn't convince. dGPUs are too cheap nowadays. You can buy a GPU for mere 250 dollars (RX 6650 XT or 7600, or a used 2080 for that matter) and get very much playable experience at 1080p and even decent framerates at 1440p without much of upscaling and lowering quality settings. To be a "shut up and take my money" thing these APUs need something more spicy than 12 CUs and something more impressive than dual channel DDR5. Now they're just enough for a niche user. A niche user that only chooses between different AMD generations since Intel produce none of that.

Well 250USD isnt nothing, for lots of people thats just too much. iGPU's are extremely useful and its good AMD finally standardised it on their chips.

As an example I could build an entire system for £200, adding a discrete GPU even at the price you quoted is doubling the build cost.

If you want cheap my GT 1030 cost me £30. Thats cheap. Sadly there is nothing in that ballpark these days which is why iGPU's are so important, and they really handy for when testing not having to install a dGPU as well.

My second rig mostly runs headless and I was using my GT 1030 on the 2600X, it would have been ridiculous to buy a £200-250 GPU for such a system. Now it runs of the iGPU on the 5600G its saving me over 20w of power as well.

So if you could play at 720p for £200, or 1080p for £400 whilst double the power cost as well, the former is very nice. Even better if the system has no gaming requirements, AMD now finally offer a iGPU on all their chips.

 

[SL2]

Massive CU drop off for the 2 lower SKU's, seems quite extreme.

I think those are the much needed budget chips for AM5, and besides that, Phoenix 2 doesn't have more CU's to begin with.

AMD needs something cheaper than €175.

 

[AusWolf]

I think those are the much needed budget chips for AM5, and besides that, Phoenix 2 doesn't have more CU's to begin with.

AMD needs something cheaper than €175.

Agreed. 4 CUs still make a decent HTPC with modern video decode capabilities. Price is more crucial in this segment than performance, imo.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Athlon 200GE MSRP $55. This is cheap APU. Not something for $175+

 

[SL2]

Not something for $175+

Which one are you talking about?

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Which one are you talking about?

For no one in particular. But I am watching how the sensibility of buyers has changed as to what price they perceive as budget.

 

[SL2]

Well you can't just rule out upcoming models before you even know the prices. There's no way that the cheapest of there models will cost s much as $175. They will cost more than $55 tho, that's for sure. AM4 is still alive and a better choice for the lowest budgets given the board prices.

 

[Macro Device]

Well 250USD isnt nothing, for lots of people thats just too much.

When you are considering an 8C16T gaming CPU with onboard graphics of "yes" performance levels for something a lot more than $250 for that CPU alone these $250 for a GPU don't sound too high of a price.

When you're very tight on budget you are forced to only pick one of these: actually playing games (having a Ryzen 1600 + RX 470 level system) or playing nothing but having a more modern system (Ryzen 8300G alone which is more expensive than aforementioned Ryzen 1600 + RX 470 no matter how this CPU will be priced: the rest of the system is already gonna be more pricey).

Sadly there is nothing in that ballpark these days

Yes, only having used GPUs as an under-$100 option really does suck. Yet it's possible to obtain a GTX 1070 for $100. And, y'know, this GPU still can play games.

it would have been ridiculous to buy a £200-250 GPU for such a system.

Really depends on tasks. If the task is AAA gaming at reasonable settings at 1440p then this purchase makes all the sense in the world. If the task is watching YT videos and completing your work reports then obviously it's better to have an iGPU.

 

[AusWolf]

Well you can't just rule out upcoming models before you even know the prices. There's no way that the cheapest of there models will cost s much as $175. They will cost more than $55 tho, that's for sure. AM4 is still alive and a better choice for the lowest budgets given the board prices.

The R3 4300G which is a quad-core Zen 2 with a 384-shader iGPU currently sells for £80. The new 8000-series R3 has much better CPU, but seemingly slightly weaker iGPU parts, unless it can compensate with clock speed. Anyway, I would expect it to be around the 4300G in price if it wants to be competitive. Pricing will be key, that's for sure.

 

[SL2]

The R3 4300G which is a quad-core Zen 2 with a 384-shader iGPU currently sells for £80. The new 8000-series R3 has much better CPU, but seemingly slightly weaker iGPU parts, unless it can compensate with clock speed. Anyway, I would expect it to be around the 4300G in price if it wants to be competitive. Pricing will be key, that's for sure.

Stranger things has happened before, didn't AMD go from 11 to 8 CU's with Renoir, without being slower, and still being GCN?

The 8300G probably has a 1GHz faster GPU than the 4300G, just like the laptop models. It's also RDNA3, and not GCN5.

I've actually posted about this before in another thread..

If current AM5 (2 x RDNA2) models have 55% the performance of a 5600G, then I'd guess 4 x RDNA3 beats the latter. That's a pretty good budget APU (even if not useful for me).
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Gaming benchmarks shows quite a different picture than GFLOPS, obviously. Either way it's a budget model, and aimed at at a different market than the R5 and R7.

Have they finally allowed PCI4 or even 5 to the chipset ? The old "G" were hobbled by PCIE3

They've gone PCIE 4 since Zen 3+.

Here's the 7940HS.

 

[illli]

This is neat and all, but I am much more curious about that rumored strix halo (codenamed sarlak) product. It is rumored to have 40CUs

 

[Leavenfish]

16 Core/32 Thread monsters no more?

 

[AusWolf]

16 Core/32 Thread monsters no more?

These are the APUs, not CPUs. The CPUs (including 16c/32t) have launched a while ago.

 

[Nhonho]

Do you know if the NPU units of the new AMD and Intel CPUs need optimized apps to be accessed? Are these NPUs only used by new apps with optimized code?

Or do older apps use these NPUs too?

 

[LabRat 891]

Can they do AFMF?

Easy-peasy in Win11 to render on one GPU, and AFMF w/ another.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Can they do AFMF?

Easy-peasy in Win11 to render on one GPU, and AFMF w/ another.

What is afmf? If other AMD graphics can do that, this iGPU also do it.

 

[LabRat 891]

What is afmf? If other AMD graphics can do that, this iGPU also do it.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adrenalin/afmf.html

It's a Navi 2x and Navi 3x feature for low-latency frame generation.
I never thought 'fake frames' would be so handy; A:FoP plays great on my older Vega 10 16GB GPU, using a Navi 24 4GB for AFMF and video-out.

AMD does say 700M series APUs support it, so I'd assume that includes these new 8000G APUs?

 

[TumbleGeorge]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adrenalin/afmf.html

It's a Navi 2x and Navi 3x feature for low-latency frame generation.
I never thought 'fake frames' would be so handy; A:FoP plays great on my older Vega 10 16GB GPU, using a Navi 24 4GB for AFMF and video-out.

AMD does say 700M series APUs support it, so I'd assume that includes these new 8000G APUs?
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I even read a website review that included this feature. I forgot the name of the site.
A simple Google search brought up results, including YouTube.