Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5950X |
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Motherboard | Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero WiFi |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 |
Memory | 32Gb G-Skill Trident Z Neo @3806MHz C14 |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX2070 |
Storage | Seagate FireCuda 530 1TB |
Display(s) | Samsung G9 49" Curved Ultrawide |
Case | Cooler Master Cosmos |
Audio Device(s) | O2 USB Headphone AMP |
Power Supply | Corsair HX850i |
Mouse | Logitech G502 |
Keyboard | Cherry MX |
Software | Windows 11 |
System Name | Gungnir |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
Motherboard | ASUS TUF B650M-PLUS WIFI |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assasin 120 SE Black |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR5 CL36 5600MHz |
Video Card(s) | XFX RX 6800XT Merc 319 |
Storage | 1TB WD SN770 | 2TB WD Blue SATA III SSD |
Display(s) | 1440p 165Hz VA |
Case | Lian Li Lancool 215 |
Audio Device(s) | Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 80Ohm |
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA 750W 80 Plus Gold |
Mouse | Logitech G Pro Wireless |
Keyboard | Keychron V6 |
VR HMD | The bane of my existence (Oculus Quest 2) |
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 16 GB Corsair Vengeance EXPO DDR5-6000 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
How so? Do you see a TDP switch in the BIOS? It's not labelled as "ECO mode" on every board.And here I am thinking about getting a new am5 board as this one doesn't allow me to enable eco mode
I disagree. Based on my AM5 adventures so far (7700X and 7800X3D), RAM speed brings very minimal performance advantage, basically zero with X3D.higher DDR5 speeds (also, something that AMD desperately needs)
Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | ASRock B650M PG Riptide |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | DDR5 6000Mhz CL28 32GB |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Palit GamingPro OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen.4 1TB |
What is yout motherboardAnd here I am thinking about getting a new am5 board as this one doesn't allow me to enable eco mode
It would be fun to see APU with 8 GB HBM 3 or 16 GB GDDR7 integrated. There is 676 mm2 area under heatsink to contain it all at least.I disagree. Based on my AM5 adventures so far (7700X and 7800X3D), RAM speed brings very minimal performance advantage, basically zero with X3D.
With that said, I'm very curious about the new Phoenix APUs, and it'll be interesting to see how RAM speed affects their iGPU performance.
System Name | Sunk Cost Fallacy |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | ASRock B650E Steel Legend Wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 |
Memory | 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 6000 CL30 (A-Die) |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio |
Storage | WD Black SN850X 1TB + 2x 2TB, 2x 4TB Crucial MX500, 4TB Samsung 870 Evo. |
Display(s) | Alienware AW2723DF, LG 27GR93U, LG 27GN950-B |
Case | Streacom BC1 V2 |
Audio Device(s) | Bose Companion Series 2 III, Sennheiser GSP600 and HD599 SE - Creative Soundblaster X4 |
Power Supply | bequiet! Dark Power Pro 12 1500w Titanium |
Mouse | Logitech GPRO X Superlight & G502 X |
Keyboard | Corsair K65 RGB Mini, Razer Black Widow V3 TKL |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift S |
System Name | Marmo / Kanon |
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Processor | Intel Core i7 9700K / AMD Ryzen 7 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi / X570S Aorus Pro AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12S x 2 |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32GB 2666-C16 / 32GB 3200-C16 |
Video Card(s) | KFA2 RTX3070 Ti / Asus TUF RX 6800XT OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO+ 1TB, 860 EVO 1TB / Samsung 970 Pro 1TB, 970 EVO+ 1TB |
Display(s) | Dell AW2521HFA / U2715H |
Case | Fractal Design Focus G / Pop Air RGB |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard / Creative SB ZxR |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus GX 650W / PX 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX310 / G1 |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 / G513 |
Software | Win 11 Ent |
I believe this "not enough space" issue was down to some mobo manufacturers using smaller size BIOS chips (e.g. Gigabytes). My Gigabytes B450 mobo both had only an 128Mbit BIOS chip. To have support for Zen 3 it had to lose the support for Zen+. The later mobos from them including my X570S had an updated 256Mbit BIOS chip and no longer has that limitation.Remember that time when AMD wasn't updating AM4 motherboards to run the latest CPU's because "the motherboards didn't have space for the new processors?" Now they're still adding more and more CPU's to the line as if space's no object! Haha, good times, good times.
No, 7500F exists.I'm a bit confused. Don't all AM5 chips include an iGPU?
Why are they (8000X's & 8000G's) not all considered APU's?
Why aren't 8000G's called Ultra APU's? (seems like a missed marketing opportunity by AMD)
System Name | Not a thread ripper but pretty good. |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5950x |
Motherboard | ASRock X570 Taichi (revision 1.06, BIOS/UEFI version P5.50) |
Cooling | EK-Quantum Velocity, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, EK-CoolStream PE 360, XSPC TX360 |
Memory | Micron DDR4-3200 ECC Unbuffered Memory (4 sticks, 128GB, 18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1) |
Video Card(s) | XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate |
Storage | Samsung 2TB 980 PRO 2TB Gen4x4 NVMe, 2 x Samsung 2TB 970 EVO Plus Gen3x4 NVMe, AMD Radeon RAMDisk |
Display(s) | 2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount) |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model) |
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x |
Mouse | Logitech M575 |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional (64bit) |
Benchmark Scores | Typical for non-overclocked CPU. |
If you have access to PBO in the UEFI/BIOS you can't you just reduce PPT for the same or similar effect (just more fine grained)?And here I am thinking about getting a new am5 board as this one doesn't allow me to enable eco mode
It's like B550 was the one trick AMD pulled that consumers weren't able to reverse and they got away with it.True but that's only on a technicality, how do you explain B550 boards not supporting zen or zen+ chips? I wanted to move my 2700 to a cheaper board & still retain the ability to upgade it later ~ there were zero options except x570 at the time early last year, the xx4x boards were mostly out of stock/production here!
I mean, it's pretty obvious what it means if you actually read the article. They're guaranteeing that new CPUs will be on AM5 until 2025, but may continue on beyond that depending on the circumstances. Maybe Zen 7 or whatever they currently plan to move to AM6 with will be delayed or something, and they'll end up releasing a Zen 6+ generation on AM5 to fill the gap. Just as Intel were forced kicking and screaming into releasing a third generation of CPUs on the same socket due to desktop Meteor Lake being a disaster.What is "till 2025 and beyond"? Is it until 2025 or beyond 2025 now? You can't have it both ways.![]()
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | ASRock B650M PG Riptide |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | DDR5 6000Mhz CL28 32GB |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Palit GamingPro OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen.4 1TB |
Arrow lake is LGA 1851, so 2 years with the 12900ks ~9% slower in single thread than 14900k and 20% in multi. Not really enought improvement to upgrade if you already have 12900ks the fastest alder lakeThat's pretty non-committal
AM5 only release in q4 2022 so "'till 2025" is 2 years... if we add " and beyond" - 3 years?
3 years on a really socket isn't a huge deal. LGA1700 released in q4 2021 and will be sunset in 2024 when arrow lake releases in q4 (maybe?).
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
Q3-Q4 of 2024 is zen 5 launch... they launch new architectures every 18-24 months... so this makes sense. Zen 6 isn't launching in 2025 unless they double their release cadence.Important to remember that new CPUs doesn't necessarily means new architecture, like we saw with AM4 when AMD said almost the exact same thing some time after Zen 3. So we could very well see only Zen5 variants being released on AM5 in 2025, with Zen 6 being on a new platform.
Alder lake released in Q4 of 2021.... so you have 1 year > Q4 of 2022, 2 years > Q4 of 2023, 3 years > Q4 of 2024... Also you're thinking of meteor lake, arrow lake leaks all show 30-40% ipc lift. Granted it's an exception, intel refreshes every 2 gens (way too fast), but what this article is saying, if you think about it... is "AM5 will last up to 2 years and beyond"Arrow lake is LGA 1851, so 2 years with the 12900ks ~10% slower in single thread than 14900k and 25% in multi. Not really enought improvement to upgrade if you already have 12900ks the faster alder lake
Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | ASRock B650M PG Riptide |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | DDR5 6000Mhz CL28 32GB |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Palit GamingPro OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen.4 1TB |
Most likely zen 6 is on new socket yes, the rest... What are you talking about, stop dreaming for arrow lake on LGA 1700 with 40% ipc lift, how clueless you must be to believe in this? Its already confimed, Arrow Lake is on LGA1851 and we saw the meteor lake with the negative IPC and the new leaks point at ~5% IPC improvement for Arrow Lake, much more likely than the old candy dreamsAlder lake released in Q4 of 2021.... so you have 1 year > Q4 of 2022, 2 years > Q4 of 2023, 3 years > Q4 of 2024... Also you're thinking of meteor lake, arrow lake leaks all show 30-40% ipc lift. Granted it's an exception, intel refreshes every 2 gens (way too fast), but what this article is saying, if you think about it... is "AM5 will last up to 2 years and beyond"
They released zen 4 on it, 2 years later they will release Zen 5... zen 6 is another 18-24months past that... it's basically hinting no zen 6 on am5.
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
i didn't say anything about arrow lake on 1700. 1700 lasted 3 years before getting replaced.Most likely zen 6 is on new socket yes, the rest... What are you talking about, stop dreaming for arrow lake on LGA 1700 with 40% ipc lift, how clueless you must be to believe in this?
Not impossible but unlikely~5% IPC improvement for Arrow Lake, much more likely than the old candy dreams
Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | ASRock B650M PG Riptide |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | DDR5 6000Mhz CL28 32GB |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Palit GamingPro OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen.4 1TB |
Its not the same thing. The benefit of being able to upgrade is not just how long you can upgrade from the first to the last gen for your platform, but also what you get as improvement. As I said from 12900ks to 14900k you get ~10% improvement in ST and 20% in multi, Zen 5 will make 25% in single at least and 40% in multi. Double of what you get from Intel for 3 yearsi didn't say anything about arrow lake on 1700. 1700 lasted 3 years before getting replaced.
Also if zen 6 is on new socket... then you replaced your socket after 2 gens... basically what intel does is the point im trying to make.
Not impossible but unlikely
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
It's still 2 generations... Doesn't matter if they're good or bad, they're on a 2 gen cycle now. It's not an AMD vs intel thing, it's a - prepare to be separated from your money thing. They're issuing the CYA now.Its not the same thing. The benefit of being able to upgrade is not just how long you can upgrade from the first to the last gen for your platform, but also what you get as improvement. As I said from 12900ks to 14900k you get ~10% improvement in ST and 20% in multi, Zen 5 will make 25% in single at least and 40% in multi. Double of what you get from Intel for 3 years
Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | ASRock B650M PG Riptide |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | DDR5 6000Mhz CL28 32GB |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Palit GamingPro OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen.4 1TB |
2 gens on single socket that bring more than 4 gens and 2 sockets from intel. DDR6 will be released in 2026 so they actually don't have a choice, because if they skip it, then they will be on DDR6 in 2028, 2 years later. With Zen4 it was 1 year later after DDR5.It's still 2 generations... Doesn't matter if they're good or bad, they're on a 2 gen cycle now. It's not an AMD vs intel thing, it's a - prepare to be separated from your money thing. They're basically issuing the CYA now.
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
However you want to justify/mourn it is fine. AMD is now going to become intel - Zen 5 will cost $$$ and x3d will be dragged out to mid to late 2025 ("beyond"). Then you will need a new socket and $400 board for zen 6.2 gens on single socket that bring more than 4 gens and 2 sockets from intel. DDR6 will be released in 2026 so they actually don't have a choice, because if they skip it, then they will be on DDR6 in 2028, 2 years later. With Zen4 it was 1 year later after DDR5.
Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | ASRock B650M PG Riptide |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | DDR5 6000Mhz CL28 32GB |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Palit GamingPro OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen.4 1TB |
Its not fine, 4 years live for the socket versus 5 for AM4, still much better than Intel with their joke upgrades. AM5 will be replaced because of DDR6 release, but don't expect Intel to release more than 2 "generatrions" on LGA1851, 14900k was released only because meteor lake was slower than their 13th gen so in the last moment they gave you another refresh for LGA1700, ~4% faster refresh, enjoyHowever you want to justify/mourn it is fine. AMD is now going to become intel - Zen 5 will cost $$$ and x3d will be dragged out to mid to late 2025 ("beyond"). Then you will need a new socket and $400 board for zen 6.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
If Zen 6 continues to use DDR5, it would have no reason to move to a new socket. There was a gap of seven years between the first x86 CPUs to support DDR4 and their first successors to support DDR5. If this cadence holds, then Zen 6 is unlikely to launch before the widespread availability of DDR6.However you want to justify/mourn it is fine. AMD is now going to become intel - Zen 5 will cost $$$ and x3d will be dragged out to mid to late 2025 ("beyond"). Then you will need a new socket and $400 board for zen 6.
Here's the rule of tech... Whenever the engineers turn things around and come up with great tech, the suits step in and turn it into a machine to juice you like a lemon. AMD had great engineers and were playing catch up -- which was great for consumers. Intel and AMD competing has been awesome for consumers (7800x3d, 12600k at $155).
The further AMD gets ahead, the less that happens and the more you're gonna get squeezed. If you're old enough to remember the Athlon 64 FX series, you know what happens next. Same as Sandy Bridge for intel.
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
I agree - @usiname is trying to justify the fact that zen 6 will need a new socket via ddr6 transition -- I agree with you, we will most likely still be using DDR5 then -- i'm just saying they will force a new socket while still using ddr5.If Zen 6 continues to use DDR5, it would have no reason to move to a new socket. There was a gap of seven years between the first x86 CPUs to support DDR4 and their first successors to support DDR5. If this cadence holds, then Zen 6 is unlikely to launch before the widespread availability of DDR6.
Do you not remember the first 6 months of AM5?Who in his right mind spend $400 on motherboard? If you spend so much for motherboard which in the best will bring you 2-3% improvement, you probably don't have problem to upgrade every year. Same for the $400 32GB RAM kits