AMD Announces New Socket AM4 Desktop Processors—5700X3D and 5000GT APUs

[mechtech]

BIOS updates incoming????????

 

[dragontamer5788]

the new 5700X3D is coming in at an attractive $250

Who wants to bet that it will be sold out at this price and retailers will be forced to increase the price?

I appreciate the effort by AMD in any case. I've been thinking about building 2x PCs for my nieces (subject to their parent's approval) since they're getting to that age where it'd be helpful to them. A 5700X3D for gaming + overall performance would be great. Though I guess they should be able to make due with something much cheaper than that even. I'll still have to think about specs, but $250 for this kind of processor + cache is obviously a huge bargain.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Hmm, 5800X3D already had too much clock speed regression over 5800X, 5700X3D another 400Mhz ontop of that , means quite a massive drop in productivity scores compared to 5800X. Hard pass at any price.

 

[trsttte]

Who wants to bet that it will be sold out at this price and retailers will be forced to increase the price?

To do that they'll need to push the 5800x3d price higher, they can certainly cut down on the constant discounts (which I believe they're doing) but when it was discounted for so long it'll be hard to do.

 

[chrcoluk]

After reading back and forward through this...I have to ask something substantive. AMD allowed Microcenter in the US to sell this SKU before. It was the defective 5800x3D chips, where they were simply disabling the defective bits and selling as-is without guarantee for performance. At that point, the criticism was that they didn't overclock well, and they had some troubles meeting the promised specifications.

Are we going to be getting more underperforming 5800x3D chips until AMD clears out their entire inventory, or is this a genuinely newly produced SKU? I'm not asking because I want to spend money on this...because I have upgraded to the 5700x in most rigs that I have control over...and right now a 5700x can be had for less than $200. A 25% cost for a minor uplift in performance (with a huge uplift in TDP) isn't a huge driver for me personally...but people who bought into the 5600x and have been waiting for the 5800x3D to be more affordable might well see value here.


Thing is , I still don't get this generation. AMD and Intel seem to be dead set on making the hottest possible chips for that single digit comparative performance, and it's basically silly for consumers. I'm hoping that they give-up on this for the next generation and go back to chips that don't toast themselves...but I'm probably going to be on AM4 well into AM6 at this rate. Oh well.

Most SKU's below the flagship are usually reject parts. Things start out as a potential flagship, if it then doesnt make the grade its sold as something else.

 

[LabRat 891]

Hmm, 5800X3D already had too much clock speed regression over 5800X, 5700X3D another 400Mhz ontop of that , means quite a massive drop in productivity scores compared to 5800X. Hard pass at any price.

I know OC'ing is officially not supported, and that others' mentions about well-binned and reject parts both ring true...
However, I've seen OCing done on the 5800X3D: I wonder if a 'mild compensatory OC' (like price-perf. scroungers would do back in the day) is possible?
I'd not seriously looked into it, as I'd (previously) settled on a 5800X3D, and figured I'd be at least as happy w/ its OoB boosting as I am w/ my 5600's.

 

[SL2]

Who wants to bet that it will be sold out at this price and retailers will be forced to increase the price?

I appreciate the effort by AMD in any case. I've been thinking about building 2x PCs for my nieces (subject to their parent's approval) since they're getting to that age where it'd be helpful to them. A 5700X3D for gaming + overall performance would be great. Though I guess they should be able to make due with something much cheaper than that even. I'll still have to think about specs, but $250 for this kind of processor + cache is obviously a huge bargain.

Well. it is still slower than the 5800X3D and (mostly) non overclockable, I won't expect it to be that popular.

What graphics cards are you going to buy for them? AFAIK, 3D chips doesn't show much improvement with slower GPU's.

 

[Double-Click]

Hmm, 5800X3D already had too much clock speed regression over 5800X, 5700X3D another 400Mhz ontop of that , means quite a massive drop in productivity scores compared to 5800X. Hard pass at any price.

Which is totally reasonable if you need it or indistinguishable if you don't.
I had a 5800X before the X3D; in terms of my (basic) computing its meant bupkis, while the gaming difference is noticeable.

 

[LabRat 891]

BTW
Official Product Pages on AMD.com are up for the 5700X3D and 5700(Cezanne)

5700X3D

https://www.amd.com/en/product/14101

5700

https://www.amd.com/en/product/13926

5600X3D : 5700X3D : 5800X3D : 5700

 

[wickerman]

I know OC'ing is officially not supported, and that others' mentions about well-binned and reject parts both ring true...
However, I've seen OCing done on the 5800X3D: I wonder if a 'mild compensatory OC' (like price-perf. scroungers would do back in the day) is possible?
I'd not seriously looked into it, as I'd (previously) settled on a 5800X3D, and figured I'd be at least as happy w/ its OoB boosting as I am w/ my 5600's.

The best bet with x3d chips seems to be PBO2 tuning, increasing efficiency to achieve higher clock speeds. You can pick up a few hundred mhz of average sustained clockspeeds as well as lowering temps. You may see 100-200mhz bump in your average sustained clock speeds. Its about all you can do without some specific MSI boards that has some kombustor bios feature (or something like that..) that let you do a bit of actual oc, but its certainly not the good ole days.

Doesn't even seem that long ago when you could buy a 65nm dual core celeron e1200 and go from 1.6ghz to 3.4 and just throw caution to the wind cause it was like $50 new and you knock on the door of some much more expensive cpus. It really makes me wish intel would release a new overclockable Celeron K-series chip that let us go nuts on a few e-cores.

 

[57er6uigyuholn]

Come on! Give us 5950X3D already

 

[Jism]

After reading back and forward through this...I have to ask something substantive. AMD allowed Microcenter in the US to sell this SKU before. It was the defective 5800x3D chips, where they were simply disabling the defective bits and selling as-is without guarantee for performance. At that point, the criticism was that they didn't overclock well, and they had some troubles meeting the promised specifications.

Are we going to be getting more underperforming 5800x3D chips until AMD clears out their entire inventory, or is this a genuinely newly produced SKU? I'm not asking because I want to spend money on this...because I have upgraded to the 5700x in most rigs that I have control over...and right now a 5700x can be had for less than $200. A 25% cost for a minor uplift in performance (with a huge uplift in TDP) isn't a huge driver for me personally...but people who bought into the 5600x and have been waiting for the 5800x3D to be more affordable might well see value here.


Thing is , I still don't get this generation. AMD and Intel seem to be dead set on making the hottest possible chips for that single digit comparative performance, and it's basically silly for consumers. I'm hoping that they give-up on this for the next generation and go back to chips that don't toast themselves...but I'm probably going to be on AM4 well into AM6 at this rate. Oh well.

The whole X3D comes from Epyc line - where some customers have large demands in regards of additional cache. That's where these chips come from. The ones that did not match or qualify for Epyc line are disposed to the consumer variant. I remember a video where a hardware team was supposed to figure out what they could do with chips with extra cache. it seems that gaming was the most ideal and beneficial workload.

Due to limitations, i.e the extra cache sharing the same voltage rail as the CPU Vcore, it is not possible to have these running beyond 1.35V. And it takes just a tiny bit of overvoltage to fry that cache. So these can't be OC'ed unless you have a Bclk OC'ing functionality. They are limited but provide excellent performance in Games. The 5800X3D provides up to 4.5GHz of boost which seems better value.

To put it simply; they are not thrashing out working silicon obviously. If you can rebrand it to a model like this and still sell it it's a profit. AMD pays approx 25.000$ per wafer. You want to extract as much as possible working chips.

 

[amd64skater]

Now If they to were to make a 5900X3D or 5950X3D I will totally upgrade to those. Right now I have a 5700X and this CPU is awesome. At this time a X3D in a 5600 to 5800 would not be an ideal upgrade for me. I am still curious on the performance the new 5700X3D and hopefully it's a solid CPU.

 

[trsttte]

they are not thrashing out working silicon obviously. If you can rebrand it to a model like this and still sell it it's a profit. AMD pays approx 25.000$ per wafer. You want to extract as much as possible working chips.

Thrashing is too harsh a word, they could (and problably are to some extent) be selling chips that would meet the 5800x3d performance clocked lower instead of discounting the original further for brand and shelf space reasons. Not exactly thrashing but also leaving performance on the table for business reasons

 

[Colddecked]

Come on! Give us 5950X3D already

Yeah AMD, just put two of these 5700x3d chiplets together and sell it for 550 because why not.

 

[amd64skater]

Yeah AMD, just put two of these 5700x3d chiplets together and sell it for 550 because why not.

Well they have to have left over 5950X chips that don't meet spec. So lets make them into 5900X3D or make them into like say a 595*X3D "16 core" variant to top off the AM4 socket series and get rid of all remaining stock. One hopes. But for $550 no thanks Say $380 to $450 range.

 

[LabRat 891]

Come on! Give us 5950X3D already

Now If they to were to make a 5900X3D or 5950X3D I will totally upgrade to those. Right now I have a 5700X and this CPU is awesome. At this time a X3D in a 5600 to 5800 would not be an ideal upgrade for me. I am still curious on the performance the new 5700X3D and hopefully it's a solid CPU.

Don't get me wrong, I'd adore a 12 or 16 core X3D Zen3 on AM4 chip, too.
However, 5600X3D-5800X3D all use one CCD. The Dual-CCD 5900X3D and 5950X3D absolutely did exist, by AMD's own admissions, presentations, etc. Merely, they were never serially-produced into a retail/OEM SKU.

Well they have to have left over 5950X chips that don't meet spec. So lets make them into 5900X3D or make them into like say a 595*X3D "16 core" variant to top off the AM4 socket series and get rid of all remaining stock. One hopes. But for $550 no thanks Say $380 to $450 range.

Sadly, the TSVs and the vCache stack are bonded in manufacture; even if that were possible, it would not be commercially viable.

Had AMD produced Dual-CCDX3Ds for purchase, there'd be some complications.
For instance, the 5800X3D already factory-recommends liquid cooling. Without dieshrinks, I'd imagine 12-16 core X3D chips would've required impractical levels of efficiency binning and/or would be at a high-risk for 'cooking itself' (from thermal density and vCache's sensitivities)
To be completely honest, I think the 5900X3D and 5950X3D would've cannabilized AM5 sales (while being amongst the least-profitable-per-unit SKUs)

The 5600X3D and 5700X3D can be 'made from' single-CCD ZenX3D assemblies; a dual-CCD variant would require expanding production for a (slowly) sunsetting platform.
As far as I can tell, the base-silicon configurations we've seen on AM4, are all we're gonna get. No backportings, no new dieshrinks, etc.
I can 'accept' no (consumer avail) dual-CCD AM4 X3D.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

AM4 just won't die, that is admirable

This is like socket 462 in 2004, which was cool, I gotten an updated batch of Athlon XP during late-summer of 2004.

AM5 was like Athlon 64 in 2004, which I couldn't afford!

5600X3D

The 5600X3D is a MicroCenter exclusive, just like the 27-inch Samsung Odyssey G4 monitors being exclusive to Best Buy. The others are 24-inch, IIRC.

 

[jigar2speed]

Yeah bring in the big guns like 5950X3D

 

[Scircura]

I've seen people who got it to work (last few posts). Did you reset BIOS after update, before changing?

Thanks for the link--interesting anecdotes. Yes, for 10.10 my process was: 1) reflash within UEFI and restart, 2) power down and unplug PC, 3) clear CMOS with dedicated button, 4) boot to UEFI to load defaults and restart, 5) boot to UEFI to load XMP / disable WiFi / set fan curves. For 5.10 I didn't clear CMOS but did the rest, maybe combining steps 4 and 5 too.

I tried both UEFI's for several days. Each one resulted in 1+ BSOD's a day, as well as application crashes and strange failures such as VPN disconnects and errors in video decoding.

I ran a quick memtest in 10.10 which didn't find errors. I compared Ryzen Master readings on 10.10 compared to 3.60 and the only differences I spotted are 10.10 changed Tfaw 39->34 and CLDO VDDG ~0.95->~1.00. I could flash it again and run an overnight memtest, or manually set voltages and secondary memory timings, but the outcome won't change anything since I no longer plan to invest further in AM4. The Ryzen 5 3600 meets 95% of my needs, the 5*00X3D's would meet maybe 96% (still can't emulate TOTK at 60fps, need Zen 4 for that).

This 5700X3D's base and boost clocks are really poor! Lower than all other desktop Zen 4 SKUs, even lower than my 3600. It's a sidegrade for everything but games and file compression.

 

[SL2]

Thanks for the link--interesting anecdotes. Yes, for 10.10 my process was: 1) reflash within UEFI and restart, 2) power down and unplug PC, 3) clear CMOS with dedicated button, 4) boot to UEFI to load defaults and restart, 5) boot to UEFI to load XMP / disable WiFi / set fan curves. For 5.10 I didn't clear CMOS but did the rest, maybe combining steps 4 and 5 too.

I tried both UEFI's for several days. Each one resulted in 1+ BSOD's a day, as well as application crashes and strange failures such as VPN disconnects and errors in video decoding.

I ran a quick memtest in 10.10 which didn't find errors. I compared Ryzen Master readings on 10.10 compared to 3.60 and the only differences I spotted are 10.10 changed Tfaw 39->34 and CLDO VDDG ~0.95->~1.00. I could flash it again and run an overnight memtest, or manually set voltages and secondary memory timings, but the outcome won't change anything since I no longer plan to invest further in AM4. The Ryzen 5 3600 meets 95% of my needs, the 5*00X3D's would meet maybe 96% (still can't emulate TOTK at 60fps, need Zen 4 for that).

This 5700X3D's base and boost clocks are really poor! Lower than all other desktop Zen 4 SKUs, even lower than my 3600. It's a sidegrade for everything but games and file compression.

Well there's always: actually removing the battery instead/install windows, even if only temporary on a spare drive for testing/trying out 4.60 as I don't always trust the change log.
I can see why you stopped tho, I'd probably do the same.

I agree, I'm not sure that the 5700X3D will be that great, a 5600 will do for lots of people.

 

[LabRat 891]

This is like socket 462 in 2004, which was cool, I gotten an updated batch of Athlon XP during late-summer of 2004.

AM5 was like Athlon 64 in 2004, which I couldn't afford!

Considering the memory incompatibility and parallel sales, I see it more like the transition from S939 to AM2. Even if hard #s show AM5 CPUs are a better uplift (v. 939->AM2), I am equally unexcited.

The 5600X3D is a MicroCenter exclusive, just like the 27-inch Samsung Odyssey G4 monitors being exclusive to Best Buy. The others are 24-inch, IIRC.

Correct. Which, is why AMD's page shows "Regional Availability" as N/A.

Still, relevant to discussion technologically (AM4, single CCD, X3D , produced from 5800X3D rejects/oversupply).
Also, 5600X3Ds are on the secondary market, for those nowhere near a Microcenter.