Tipster Claims AMD "Kraken Point" APU Configured with Zen 5 & Zen 5c Cores

[T0@st]

Everest (@Olrak29_) has kept track of many AMD processor families over the past couple of years—his latest insight provides an early look at the alleged internal makeup of Team Red's "Kraken Point" APU series. The rumor mill has designated these next-gen mobile processors as 2025 follow-ups to the recently launched Ryzen 8040 "Hawk Point" family of mainstream laptop APUs. The tipster's initial social media post only mentioned the presence of both Zen 5 and Zen 5c cores within Kraken Point processors, but he later clarified that a total of eight cores would include four large units and four smaller types. TPU's past coverage of Kraken Point pointed to rumors of an 8-core, 16-thread configuration, but leaked slides (from late 2023) did not mention the integration of efficiency-tuned Zen 5c "Prometheus" cores, along with presumed Zen 5 "Nirvana" cores.

Everest's continuous flow of insider information reveals that "Kraken Point" shares many "Hawk Point" traits—four workgroup processors (WGP) could be present on final retail products, granting eight compute units (8 CUs in total). He responded to a query regarding AMD's choice of integrated graphics technology—the succinct answer being RDNA 3.5. Past leaks allege that XDNA 2 will drive the NPU side of things—offering a performance range of around 45 to 50 TOPS. The Kraken Point APU is believed to be sticking with a safe monolithic die design, manufactured on a non-specific 4 nm process. Team Red is rumored to be in TSMC's order books for all sorts of next generation silicon.



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[Daven]

Didn’t someone say something about unicorns in another thread?

 

[bonehead123]

Ah, so like the blue guys with their "Lakes", team red is sticking with the seemingly endless "Points" moniker....gee whiz already, is the ENTIRE AMD marketing team kept locked up in the coat closet & puffin on da pharma until 5 minutes before launch time or what ?

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Man I like these names than intel's
Prometheus has nirvana popping out

 

[MachineLearning]

One thing I want to know with these Zen 4+4C / 5+5C chips is if you need Windows 11 for max performance. Or if Win10 / Linux can schedule for both core types just as well.

 

[Minus Infinity]

One thing I want to know with these Zen 4+4C / 5+5C chips is if you need Windows 11 for max performance. Or if Win10 / Linux can schedule for both core types just as well.

The OS doesn't need to worry. From Anandtech "The OS's scheduler already prioritizes the CPU cores with the highest clockspeeds – a means of taking advantage of prime/favored CPU cores – so the Windows scheduler doesn't need any additional logic to deal with Zen 4c cores on the same chip."

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I'm curious to see how AMD intends to incorporate the C cores in their classic desktop designs. Will they match Intel core for core, or just thread for thread? Like CCDs that are 4C+8P or something like that.

 

[qcmadness]

I'm curious to see how AMD intends to incorporate the C cores in their classic desktop designs. Will they match Intel core for core, or just thread for thread? Like CCDs that are 4C+8P or something like that.

They don't need to.

Zen 5 cores are expected to be at least 75% of "next gen" Intel performance cores while Zen 5c cores will crush "next gen" efficient cores.

 

[Nhonho]

Zen 5 cores are expected to be at least 75% of "next gen" Intel performance cores

Prove.

 

[qcmadness]

Prove.

There is no concrete proof, but an educated guess.

There are previous reports showing that the Intel "next gen" performance cores are giving regressions of IPC.
If Zen 5 is better than Zen 4 (>75% of Intel "current gen"performance core), which is very likely according to the progression of Zen 1 to Zen 5, Zen 5 should be similar to Intel "next gen" performance core in IPC.