Chinese Vendors are Offering NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080M and RTX 4090M as Desktop GPUs

[Denver]

A question for those who buy Chinese Frankensteins: If any well-known brand offers a 10% discount in exchange for you losing the warranty, would you take the offer?

I'm curious.

 

[iameatingjam]

The fact that they need custom drivers kind of kills it for me.

 

[A&P211]

The fact that they need custom drivers kind of kills it for me.

I've had many experiences with custom drivers with an old laptop gpu upgrade. I upgraded a laptop from sli 770m to sli 970m. The only way to install any working drivers was to modify the inf file to include the 970m. The 1st many times it didnt work until someone told me the steps to get it to work.

To this day, I wont touch anything with customs drivers. Too much work.

 

[SSGBryan]

A question for those who buy Chinese Frankensteins: If any well-known brand offers a 10% discount in exchange for you losing the warranty, would you take the offer?

I'm curious.

No. The Aliexpress frankencards are a LOT more than 10% less, and warranties are overrated. My RTX 3060 was from EVGA; how much confidence should I have in my warranty?

Further datapoint - look at all of the fingerpointing with the 12 pin power connector with the 40 series of Nvidia cards.

An RTX 2060 12gb is about $240 on Aliexpress, the m variant is $156.

I paid MSRP for an RTX 3060 12gb ($340); the RTX 3060m 12gb is available on Aliexpress for $238.

For a LOT of people, the cost is a major driver.

 

[Denver]

No. The Aliexpress frankencards are a LOT more than 10% less, and warranties are overrated. My RTX 3060 was from EVGA; how much confidence should I have in my warranty?

Further datapoint - look at all of the fingerpointing with the 12 pin power connector with the 40 series of Nvidia cards.

An RTX 2060 12gb is about $240 on Aliexpress, the m variant is $156.

I paid MSRP for an RTX 3060 12gb ($340); the RTX 3060m 12gb is available on Aliexpress for $238.

For a LOT of people, the cost is a major driver.

With all due respect, I think that for people who have little money, the guarantee should be even more valued. If you have a very limited amount, you will feel a bigger blow if the product is defective and you have no one to turn to.

For me, I always do research on the warranty and support of all brands. Hardware is getting too expensive to set yourself up for a headache with poor support or problems along the way.

 

[SSGBryan]

With all due respect, I think that for people who have little money, the guarantee should be even more valued. If you have a very limited amount, you will feel a bigger blow if the product is defective and you have no one to turn to.

For me, I always do research on the warranty and support of all brands. Hardware is getting too expensive to set yourself up for a headache with poor support or problems along the way.

I think that you have no understanding of how much current generation computer components cost in much of the 2nd world.

 

[Denver]

I think that you have no understanding of how much current generation computer components cost in much of the 2nd world.

Hmm, How does this negate my point? In your perspective, choosing to spend $200 on a brand-new, sealed GPU like the 6600 with a 3-year warranty for peace of mind is considered a worse deal than paying the same amount for a 2060 Frankenstein or a similar model. The latter option entails uncertainty about whether the components are recycled or new, If you're unlucky it will end up in the trash.

I never advise purchasing used hardware for those on a tight budget. It's consistently a safer choice to opt for something one tier lower than to take a gamble with luck.

 

[SSGBryan]

In places like Brazil, that "$200" GPU is about a month's salary. You literally have no understanding of the economics of the 2nd world.

These cards come with warranties - if you actually looked at the website (or opened the box they come in), you would know this. All of my Aliexpress purchases (RTX 2060 Super, RX 5700xt, & RX 580 16gb) came with a 2 year warranty.

That is why companies like Soyo, Mllse, Se Ji Shi, Elsa, Szsjkj, Kinology, and Jieshou make and sell what they do - there are markets for this stuff, regardless of your feelings about it.

 

[Denver]

In places like Brazil, that "$200" GPU is about a month's salary. You literally have no understanding of the economics of the 2nd world.

These cards come with warranties - if you actually looked at the website (or opened the box they come in), you would know this. All of my Aliexpress purchases (RTX 2060 Super, RX 5700xt, & RX 580 16gb) came with a 2 year warranty.

That is why companies like Soyo, Mllse, Se Ji Shi, Elsa, Szsjkj, Kinology, and Jieshou make and sell what they do - there are markets for this stuff, regardless of your feelings about it.

I understand the situation well; I'm familiar with the economies of various countries as I've studied economics. In most countries, well-educated people have reasonable salaries.

Are you planning to utilize this guarantee by sending it to China, covering shipping costs equal to the product's price, and also paying taxes equivalent to the product price upon return?

 

[SSGBryan]

I understand the situation well; I'm familiar with the economies of various countries as I've studied economics. In most countries, well-educated people have reasonable salaries.

Are you planning to utilize this guarantee by sending it to China, covering shipping costs equal to the product's price, and also paying taxes equivalent to the product price upon return?

Didn't study international economics that hard, apparently. For example, the median income in Brazil is about $383 USD per month. If you are making over $300 a month in India, you are in the top 10% of wage earners. Go look what well educated people make in the 2nd world.

That puts a $200 video card out of reach for most people. This is why the Polaris cards are still selling like gangbusters, and the GT 700 series cards are still being sold.

AFA the warranty, I doubt I will have to.The only video card I had die under warranty since the 1980's was an Nvidia in my 1,1 Mac Pro. (That series of cards is why Apple stopped doing business with Nvidia.) The others that have died were 6+ years old, and long out of warranty.

Of course, I don't do crazy overclocks that shorten the lifespan of the PCB. The PCBs on these are all new (the RX 5700xt has a white PCB, for instance), and they are not heavily driven.

For the most part, electronics either die immediately, or they last 5+ years, if not longer - I have 15+ year old PCs that can still fire up.

 

[dw-omg]

I just bought a PC $2500 NZD from China last week from JD.com when I visited family. i9 Intel Processor Erying motherboard, 32GB memory, 1TB and the RTX4090M. I was trying to figure out why it was so cheap ! Frakendriver all works, UserBenchmark seems ok bout 30% slower. Will try running some AI models.

 

[Jonny5isalivetm5]

wow thats quite an epic price for the hardware, how do you navigate JD.com could you link your PC purchase please

 

[SSGBryan]

Those MB are available on Aliexpress.

 

[dw-omg]

wow thats quite an epic price for the hardware, how do you navigate JD.com could you link your PC purchase please

https://3.cn/27-Ghwc0
I added an image showing some stats from nvidia settings. Or check out my blog with further details https://dvkwong.com/ai/AI-LLM-Hardware/

 

[W1zzard]

https://3.cn/27-Ghwc0
I added an image showing some stats from nvidia settings. Or check out my blog with further details https://dvkwong.com/ai/AI-LLM-Hardware/

Thanks! Does GPU-Z work correctly on the card?

 

[Essaudio]

4080m listings on aliexpress are more expensive than the desktop parts (970-1000+) right now but smaller and probably run cooler / slower. Interesting.

 

[dw-omg]

Thanks! Does GPU-Z work correctly on the card?

Seems to work fine..