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I wonder if the chip in my 14900K is aware how lucky it is to end up in my system running nice, cool and efficient at 5.2 GHz, and not 1 GHz quicker as in the chipmelter edition CPU!
You can run a 128core EPYC at 360W, that's 16x more (real) cores
Processor | AMD 5900x |
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Motherboard | Asus x570 Strix-E |
Cooling | Hardware Labs |
Memory | G.Skill 4000c17 2x16gb |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3090 |
Storage | Sabrent |
Display(s) | Samsung G9 |
Case | Phanteks 719 |
Audio Device(s) | Fiio K5 Pro |
Power Supply | EVGA 1000 P2 |
Mouse | Logitech G600 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 |
Totally missing the point. Threadrippers are 350w. Its amazing what another can do with that wattage.Hardly the same price range however.
System Name | Very old, but all I've got ® |
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Processor | So old, you don't wanna know... Really! |
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
Yeah similar experience, I tried one last time with 8700K but honestly, undervolt is where I ended up. There's just no point to it.Totally with you. I overclocked my AthlonXPs back when overclocking would turn them into the equivalent of a CPU that would cost at least a couple hundred $ more. I did it with my A64 X2 and even my 2500k, just to see what's readily available. Past the 2500k, I wasn't even curious anymore.
People aren't assuming, its a fact. I'm sure it'll tune a little better. You'll have paid that performance thrice over though. There is simply no real economy behind those parts. Its 'can do'. Not 'make sense'.Tired of people assuming tuning the top tier chip is stupid or somehow worse than buying a lower tier bin that's slower in all respects. A higher bin will tune better even at the same power limits.
System Name | O-Clock |
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Processor | Intel Core i9-9900K @ 52x/49x 8c8t |
Motherboard | ASUS Maximus XI Gene |
Cooling | EK Quantum Velocity C+A, EK Quantum Vector C+A, CE 280, Monsta 280, GTS 280 all w/ A14 IP67 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill TridentZ @3900 MHz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC Black |
Storage | Samsung 983 ZET 960GB, 2x WD SN850X 4TB |
Display(s) | Asus VG259QM |
Case | Corsair 900D |
Audio Device(s) | beyerdynamic DT 990 600Ω, Asus SupremeFX Hi-Fi 5.25", Elgato Wave 3 |
Power Supply | EVGA 1600 T2 w/ A14 IP67 |
Mouse | Logitech G403 Wireless (PMW3366) |
Keyboard | Monsgeek M5W w/ Cherry MX Silent Black RGBs |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64 bit |
Benchmark Scores | https://hwbot.org/search/submissions/permalink?userId=92615&cpuId=5773 |
8 pin EPS can handle up to 336W, but even then there are boards that cannot handle this much power, this person had a Z790A-D4, that has two 8 pins, and he was able to pull 500W+ on the CPU before the VRMs blew. I wouldn't trust a VRM that blows at 500W, to handle 400W.I would guess any motherboard with two 8-pin EPS.
Each 8-pin EPS is 225 W.
System Name | Can it run Warhammer 3? |
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Processor | 7800X3D @ 5Ghz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | Enermax Liqmax III 360mm |
Memory | Teamgroup DDR5 CL30 6000Mhz 32GB |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4090 |
Storage | Silicon Power XS70, Corsair T700 |
Display(s) | BenQ EX2710Q, BenQEX270M |
Case | NZXT H7 Flow |
Audio Device(s) | AudioTechnica M50xBT |
Power Supply | SuperFlower Leadex III 850W |
They know that but in this case have to produce the highest performance possible, and due to the inefficiencies of their architectural design this is the result.Has Intel just not learned that people dont want high wattage CPUs?
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 CL36 (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5) |
Video Card(s) | INNO3D GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER TWIN X2 |
Storage | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO, 4TB WD Black SN850X |
Display(s) | 42" LG C2 OLED, 27" ASUS PG279Q |
Case | Thermaltake Core P5 |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 RGB |
VR HMD | HTC Vive Cosmos |
Why is 14900K a 350W CPU?I'm not at all surprised; 14900K is a 350W CPU if we're honest. It's got the intel disease alright. Incurable at the moment.
System Name | Matar Extreme PC. |
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Processor | Intel Core i9-12900KS 5.2GHZ All P-Cores ,4.1GHZ All E-Cores & Ring 4.1GhZ |
Motherboard | NZXT N5 Z690 Wi-Fi 6 |
Cooling | CoolerMaster ML240L V2 AIO with MX6 |
Memory | 4x16 64GB DDR4 3600MHZ CL16-19-19-39 G.SKILL Trident Z NEO |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia ZOTAC RTX 3080 Ti Trinity + overclocked 100 core 1000 mem. Re-pasted MX6 |
Storage | WD black 512GB Nvme OS + 1TB 970 Nvme Samsung & 4TB WD Blk 256MB cache 7200RPM |
Display(s) | Lenovo 34" Ultra Wide 3440x1440 144hz 1ms G-Snyc |
Case | NZXT H510 Black with Cooler Master RGB Fans |
Audio Device(s) | Internal , EIFER speakers & EasySMX Wireless Gaming Headset |
Power Supply | Aurora R9 850Watts 80+ Gold, I Modded cables for it. |
Mouse | Onn RGB Gaming Mouse & Logitech G923 & shifter & E-Break Sim setup. |
Keyboard | GOFREETECH RGB Gaming Keyboard, & Xbox 1 X Controller |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift S |
Software | Windows 10 Home 22H2 |
Benchmark Scores | https://www.youtube.com/user/matttttar/videos |
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
I mean, I'm ready for stones thrown for thinking that overclocking is pointless, and for saying that I much more prefer modern CPUs that run to the max out of the box, with the ability to be further limited if cooling is restricted. I don't miss tinkering in the BIOS for that extra 100 MHz one single bit.Absolutely no one should be throwing stones at you for running your hardware at a performance level and power consumption you want or need. I am not saying that you are, but no one should throw stones at someone for running their hardware at a performance level and power consumption they want or need regardless of the obscenity of the overclock. If someone can afford to and wishes to buy this and run it with P cores only, no hyperthreading, and maximum clockspeed and power consumption that's fine.
I am not willing to buy hardware like this but it would be fun to push the performance as far as it will go.
Has Intel just not learned that people dont want high wattage CPUs?
Processor | Intel i9 9900K @5GHz w/ Corsair H150i Pro CPU AiO w/Corsair HD120 RBG fan |
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Motherboard | Asus Z390 Maximus XI Code |
Cooling | 6x120mm Corsair HD120 RBG fans |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance RBG 2x8GB 3600MHz |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 3080Ti STRIX OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB , 970 EVO 1TB, Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD, 10TB Synology DS1621+ RAID5 |
Display(s) | Corsair Xeneon 32" 32UHD144 4K |
Case | Corsair 570x RBG Tempered Glass |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard / Corsair Virtuoso XT Wireless RGB |
Power Supply | Corsair HX850w Platinum Series |
Mouse | Logitech G604s |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 Rapidfire |
Software | Windows 11 x64 Professional |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike - 23520 Heaven - 3670 |
Hey more power to you but for me, money is limited. My electric bill is already $500 a month for a 900sq ft home. I dont need to be adding more on top of that.I do. 6+GHz is awesome without nitrogen. Probably absolutely demolishes single threaded jobs. Would love an HEDT platform that can do it (especially at the price level), because I do love me some full 7 slot motherboards (like old school X79, X99 and X299 ASROCK and ASUS mobos). There was one option out there for HEDT but I wasn't able to buy it because the boards currently seem to be $1000, let alone the $1000+ for the CPU even years later. I'm still looking for the highest TDP/Wattage Xeon E5 V4 out there (P variant) for example. I just like hardware. I thought that was the point of this site and forum. Plenty of other options for various budgets, power limits, specific uses, etc. That's the best part of the PC world. Heck, there's a big wide used market too (most of my stuff is used).
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
Sure, better prefetching is just a side effect of having more threads = more prefetchers = more chance whatever the current app needs already got pushed into cache, but you can also just have a wider/more aggressive cache prefetcher with no SMT in mind. Also that 5%-6% was for a single core proessor -- let's say it increases the per core area of modern processors by 3 or 4%, now let's say we have a 10 core chip... a 20 core chip... it's not huge but it adds up - especially when you're cutting a million units.The cost of SMT is far less than its detractors think. The designers of the unreleased EV8 with 4-way SMT reported a 6% increase in die area over a single threaded equivalent. This was over twenty years ago and today the cost is likely to be even smaller. SMT is useful in the case where IPC is low due to low cache hit rates or other non-execution related bottlenecks.
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
Practical and elegant. Intel Inside.This is perfect, I’m totally getting this bad boy. I’m going to delid it and plop it in my loop that’s hooked up to my Mo Ra3 420 PRO which is in my boiler room where I have my home’s heat pump. Now I got a great heat source for the heat pump
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
Practical and elegant. Intel Inside.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
Prefetching is only one example and that is from the Northwood days. SMT is most useful for workload with low utilization of the functional units or in other words low IPC. OLTP databases are a good example.Sure, better prefetching is just a side effect of having more threads = more prefetchers = more chance whatever the current app needs already got pushed into cache, but you can also just have a wider/more aggressive cache prefetcher with no SMT in mind. Also that 5%-6% was for a single core proessor -- let's say it increases the per core area of modern processors by 3 or 4%, now let's say we have a 10 core chip... a 20 core chip... it's not huge but it adds up - especially when you're cutting a million units.
Now let's say an e core is 15% faster than a logical thread that relies on gaps in the pipeline... and for that space savings you could have added more ecores.
I don't think the intel engineers would have made the decision to ditch HT if it wasn't something that was going to give them a noticeable advantage. And given that they are trying everything and anything to increase performance, I think this has a chance to be real innovation.