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Simple. Defaults. Default Clocks/Boosts, default power limits, default everything.We really have to define what "stock" is.
Simple. Defaults. Default Clocks/Boosts, default power limits, default everything.We really have to define what "stock" is.
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Exactly! I remember this argument during the Zen 4 launch when AMD said that running it at 95 °C is fine, which some people misinterpreted as "the CPU boosts to 95 °C by design". No, it does freaking not. It only does if your cooling is inadequate to handle its power limit or voltage-frequency curve... said by someone who owns a 7800X3D that never goes above 82 °C under full load with PBO enabled.tjmax also is not just a spec'd performance or efficiency parameter, its a safety parameter.
Default by Intel, or default by the motherboard?Simple. Defaults. Default Clocks/Boosts, default power limits, default everything.
Such chip would self destroy itself at these frequencies and power draw in minutes.It might actually be a high-leakage chip
System Name | BarnacleMan |
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Processor | 14700KF |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B760 Aorus Elite Ax DDR5 |
Cooling | ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 + P12 Max Fans |
Memory | 32GB Kingston Fury Beast @ 6000 cl32 + Trefi 40,000 |
Video Card(s) | Asus Tuf 4090 24GB |
Storage | 4TB sn850x, 2TB sn850x, 2TB Netac Nv7000 + 2TB p5 plus, 4TB MX500 * 2 = 18TB. Plus dvd burner. |
Display(s) | Dell 23.5" 1440P IPS panel |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH Performance Mid-Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z623 |
Power Supply | Gigabyte 850w |
Mouse | Some piece of shit from China |
Keyboard | Some piece of shit from China |
Software | Yes Please? |
Maybe I just wanted the extra 200mhz boost....why spend extra on the K-series SKU tax if you're not going to overclock?
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
Leakage doesn't depend on frequency. Temperature, on the other hand, does have an influence on leakage.Such chip would self destroy itself at these frequencies and power draw in minutes.
Processor | Ryzen 7950X3D |
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Motherboard | Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero |
Cooling | Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE LCD |
Memory | 64GB (2X 32GB) Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB DDR4 60000Mhz CL30 |
Video Card(s) | Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO 24GB |
Storage | WD SN850X 4TB NVMe / Samsung 870 QVO 8TB |
Display(s) | Asus PG43UQ / Samsung 32" UJ590 |
Case | Phanteks Evolv X |
Power Supply | Corsair AX1600i |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 3 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 RGB Platinum |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 22H2 |
The 4090 is a pretty efficient chip when tested watt for watt against a 3090, lock both cards to 250w/350w and the 4090 is still a lot faster.Hahahaha Intel and Nvidia battling for the crown of most wasteful chip?
Mother of god
System Name | Ghetto Rigs z490|x99|Acer 17 Nitro 7840hs/ 5600c40-2x16/ 4060/ 1tb acer stock m.2/ 4tb sn850x |
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Processor | 10900k w/Optimus Foundation | 5930k w/Black Noctua D15 |
Motherboard | z490 Maximus XII Apex | x99 Sabertooth |
Cooling | oCool D5 res-combo/280 GTX/ Optimus Foundation/ gpu water block | Blk D15 |
Memory | Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb | Trident-Z 3200c14 4x8gb |
Video Card(s) | Titan Xp-water | evga 980ti gaming-w/ air |
Storage | 970evo+500gb & sn850x 4tb | 860 pro 256gb | Acer m.2 1tb/ sn850x 4tb| Many2.5" sata's ssd 3.5hdd's |
Display(s) | 1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series |
Case | D450 | Cherry Entertainment center on Test bench |
Audio Device(s) | Built in Realtek x2 with 2-Insignia 2.0 sound bars & 1-LG sound bar |
Power Supply | EVGA 1000P2 with APC AX1500 | 850P2 with CyberPower-GX1325U |
Mouse | Redragon 901 Perdition x3 |
Keyboard | G710+x3 |
Software | Win-7 pro x3 and win-10 & 11pro x3 |
Benchmark Scores | Are in the benchmark section |
Hi,I'll probably be buying one sadly, (I'm a sucker for good intel silicon) on the upside it's going to be a good test of my new CPU loop I'll be building : )
System Name | ❶ Oooh (2024) ❷ Aaaah (2021) ❸ Ahemm (2017) |
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Processor | ❶ 5800X3D ❷ i7-9700K ❸ i7-7700K |
Motherboard | ❶ X570-F ❷ Z390-E ❸ Z270-E |
Cooling | ❶ ALFIII 360 ❷ X62 + X72 (GPU mod) ❸ X62 |
Memory | ❶ 32-3600/16 ❷ 32-3200/16 ❸ 16-3200/16 |
Video Card(s) | ❶ 3080 X Trio ❷ 2080TI (AIOmod) ❸ 1080TI |
Storage | ❶ NVME/SSD/HDD ❷ <SAME ❸ SSD/HDD |
Display(s) | ❶ 1440/165/IPS ❷ 1440/144/IPS ❸ 1080/144/IPS |
Case | ❶ BQ Silent 601 ❷ Cors 465X ❸ Frac Mesh C |
Audio Device(s) | ❶ HyperX C2 ❷ HyperX C2 ❸ Logi G432 |
Power Supply | ❶ HX1200 Plat ❷ RM750X ❸ EVGA 650W G2 |
Mouse | ❶ Logi G Pro ❷ Razer Bas V3 ❸ Logi G502 |
Keyboard | ❶ Logi G915 TKL ❷ Anne P2 ❸ Logi G610 |
Software | ❶ Win 11 ❷ 10 ❸ 10 |
Benchmark Scores | I have wrestled bandwidths, Tussled with voltages, Handcuffed Overclocks, Thrown Gigahertz in Jail |
The 4090 is a pretty efficient chip when tested watt for watt against a 3090, lock both cards to 250w/350w and the 4090 is still a lot faster.
Why the hell anyone would buy a 400w CPU over AMDs current offerings I'll never know as AMD is still damn fast but sips power so less heat to deal with and far easier to cool.
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
If its so efficient they should've just left it at 300W peak power. They didn't. They chose to go full Intel KS on that shit.The 4090 is a pretty efficient chip when tested watt for watt against a 3090, lock both cards to 250w/350w and the 4090 is still a lot faster.
Why the hell anyone would buy a 400w CPU over AMDs current offerings I'll never know as AMD is still damn fast but sips power so less heat to deal with and far easier to cool.
This. If the motherboard is not following the Intel spec, there should be a way to set it.Default by Intel
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
You have people tweaking the CPUs - worrying about tiny fractions of volts or tens of megahertz in frequency, for these tweakers the CPU brings some real measurable benefit. Other people simply need to have the best thing available. 14900KS will be selling to these people, and as long they buy it, the sand was not wasted on them.... this waste of sand.
System Name | BarnacleMan |
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Processor | 14700KF |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B760 Aorus Elite Ax DDR5 |
Cooling | ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 + P12 Max Fans |
Memory | 32GB Kingston Fury Beast @ 6000 cl32 + Trefi 40,000 |
Video Card(s) | Asus Tuf 4090 24GB |
Storage | 4TB sn850x, 2TB sn850x, 2TB Netac Nv7000 + 2TB p5 plus, 4TB MX500 * 2 = 18TB. Plus dvd burner. |
Display(s) | Dell 23.5" 1440P IPS panel |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH Performance Mid-Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z623 |
Power Supply | Gigabyte 850w |
Mouse | Some piece of shit from China |
Keyboard | Some piece of shit from China |
Software | Yes Please? |
I like to think of it this way... the over the top, well binned and expensive CPUs for ultra enthusiasts are good for profit margins and in a way, subsidize the more down earth offerings for us plebs. From what I understand a lot of intel's mid tier chips are barely profitable if it all, the 'high' end chips balance the books. So if people want 6.2ghz... then sell it to them! It only helps the rest of us. Nobody wants a monopoly here ( I hope )I love reading all the excuses for the existence of this waste of sand. It proves that with a bit of bullshit marketing magic (performance crown), and a pinch of fanboyism (it's not that bad, you can undervolt it), everything can be sold.![]()
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | ASUS B550M-Plus WiFi II |
Cooling | Noctua U12A chromax.black |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Palit RTX 4080 GameRock OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + 980 Pro 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus XG35VQ |
Case | Asus Prime AP201 |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Gigaworks - Razer Blackshark V2 Pro |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Razer Viper |
Software | Windows 11 64bit |
I love reading all the excuses for the existence of this waste of sand. It proves that with a bit of bullshit marketing magic (performance crown), and a pinch of fanboyism (it's not that bad, you can undervolt it), everything can be sold.![]()
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
If you're looking for millivolts, or tens of megahertz of improvement, or want to have "the best of the best" (bragging rights), and you're willing to pay serious cash to get it, then you're an idiot. Simple as that.You have people tweaking the CPUs - worrying about tiny fractions of volts or tens of megahertz in frequency, for these tweakers the CPU brings some real measurable benefit. Other people simply need to have the best thing available. 14900KS will be selling to these people, and as long they buy it, the sand was not wasted on them.
I don't think it works that way. Mid-range is the best seller in any product line. Why would Intel sell it at a loss only to recoup the losses with the low number sales at the ultra high-end? It doesn't make sense.I like to think of it this way... the over the top, well binned and expensive CPUs for ultra enthusiasts are good for profit margins and in a way, subsidize the more down earth offerings for us plebs. From what I understand a lot of intel's mid tier chips are barely profitable if it all, the 'high' end chips balance the books. So if people want 6.2ghz... then sell it to them! It only helps the rest of us. Nobody wants a monopoly here ( I hope )
Federation of the Swiss watch industry categorically disagrees with you!If you're looking for ... or want to have "the best of the best" (bragging rights), and you're willing to pay serious cash to get it, then you're an idiot.
System Name | BarnacleMan |
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Processor | 14700KF |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B760 Aorus Elite Ax DDR5 |
Cooling | ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 + P12 Max Fans |
Memory | 32GB Kingston Fury Beast @ 6000 cl32 + Trefi 40,000 |
Video Card(s) | Asus Tuf 4090 24GB |
Storage | 4TB sn850x, 2TB sn850x, 2TB Netac Nv7000 + 2TB p5 plus, 4TB MX500 * 2 = 18TB. Plus dvd burner. |
Display(s) | Dell 23.5" 1440P IPS panel |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH Performance Mid-Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z623 |
Power Supply | Gigabyte 850w |
Mouse | Some piece of shit from China |
Keyboard | Some piece of shit from China |
Software | Yes Please? |
Best seller... in volume. I mean look... what would you do with defective chips? Throw them away? Or recoup some of the cost by binning them down, maintaining market share and perhaps making a small margin?I don't think it works that way. Mid-range is the best seller in any product line. Why would Intel sell it at a loss only to recoup the losses with the low number sales at the ultra high-end? It doesn't make sense.
Then this CPU clearly isn't for you. I know people who will happily say: "Please get me one of these and take my money!"I love reading all the excuses for the existence of this waste of sand.
System Name | The Workhorse |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 5900X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B550 Pro |
Cooling | CPU - Noctua NH-D15S Case - 3 Noctua NF-A14 PWM at the bottom, 2 Fractal Design 180mm at the front |
Memory | GSkill Trident Z 3200CL14 |
Video Card(s) | NVidia GTX 1070 MSI QuickSilver |
Storage | Adata SX8200Pro |
Display(s) | LG 32GK850G |
Case | Fractal Design Torrent |
Audio Device(s) | FiiO E-10K DAC/Amp, Samson Meteorite USB Microphone |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx850 (2018) |
Mouse | Razer Viper (Original) |
Keyboard | Cooler Master QuickFire Rapid TKL keyboard (Cherry MX Black) |
Software | Windows 11 Pro (23H2) |
System Name | ❶ Oooh (2024) ❷ Aaaah (2021) ❸ Ahemm (2017) |
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Processor | ❶ 5800X3D ❷ i7-9700K ❸ i7-7700K |
Motherboard | ❶ X570-F ❷ Z390-E ❸ Z270-E |
Cooling | ❶ ALFIII 360 ❷ X62 + X72 (GPU mod) ❸ X62 |
Memory | ❶ 32-3600/16 ❷ 32-3200/16 ❸ 16-3200/16 |
Video Card(s) | ❶ 3080 X Trio ❷ 2080TI (AIOmod) ❸ 1080TI |
Storage | ❶ NVME/SSD/HDD ❷ <SAME ❸ SSD/HDD |
Display(s) | ❶ 1440/165/IPS ❷ 1440/144/IPS ❸ 1080/144/IPS |
Case | ❶ BQ Silent 601 ❷ Cors 465X ❸ Frac Mesh C |
Audio Device(s) | ❶ HyperX C2 ❷ HyperX C2 ❸ Logi G432 |
Power Supply | ❶ HX1200 Plat ❷ RM750X ❸ EVGA 650W G2 |
Mouse | ❶ Logi G Pro ❷ Razer Bas V3 ❸ Logi G502 |
Keyboard | ❶ Logi G915 TKL ❷ Anne P2 ❸ Logi G610 |
Software | ❶ Win 11 ❷ 10 ❸ 10 |
Benchmark Scores | I have wrestled bandwidths, Tussled with voltages, Handcuffed Overclocks, Thrown Gigahertz in Jail |
The arguments over this CPU are silly. It’s not meant to make sense from a practical standpoint. It exists for a very specific subset of people who want the nebulous “best” even if it comes at a great monetary cost and is not efficient in any way. Someone mentioned expensive watches and yeah, that kinda tracks. A better analogy would be buying a supercar with tons of power that can never be reasonably used on any road and daily driving it. Is it practical? No. Will it guzzle fuel like nobody’s business? Oh yeah. Can you get the same experience of pure driving pleasure from something like an MX-5 or, hell, the cheapest Caterham if you don’t care about practicality at all? Sure. But it won’t be “the best” and for some people that’s all that matters.
System Name | The Workhorse |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 5900X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B550 Pro |
Cooling | CPU - Noctua NH-D15S Case - 3 Noctua NF-A14 PWM at the bottom, 2 Fractal Design 180mm at the front |
Memory | GSkill Trident Z 3200CL14 |
Video Card(s) | NVidia GTX 1070 MSI QuickSilver |
Storage | Adata SX8200Pro |
Display(s) | LG 32GK850G |
Case | Fractal Design Torrent |
Audio Device(s) | FiiO E-10K DAC/Amp, Samson Meteorite USB Microphone |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx850 (2018) |
Mouse | Razer Viper (Original) |
Keyboard | Cooler Master QuickFire Rapid TKL keyboard (Cherry MX Black) |
Software | Windows 11 Pro (23H2) |
At least with the KS you don’t have to worry about any STDs from all the chicks you pulled, so in that way it’s infinitely better than the supercar.I'm struggling with the Supercar analogy. a 200mhz bump vs a supercar.... one pulls chicks all night long and the other pulls 2-3 FPS more and burns your house down lol