NVIDIA App Doesn't Need a Login, Unlike GeForce Experience

[nguyen]

I dont have an AMD card to test, but from what I have seen in review videos and screenshots of the AMD Adrenaline app, it has way too much space between objects/options in the gui. It also appears to need to want to connect to the internet for "SOME" of its functions. And lastly it appears to be doing in-app advertising for games.

Any GPU control panel should NEVER need to access the internet, so right now this new Control panel replacement is a joke.


And OBS dosent..?

Couldn't care less about OBS, GFE and now Nvidia App are much simpler to use

 

[AusWolf]

The current layout of the nV Cp is very efficent, I only have to move a few centimeters atm compared to the NvApp requiring several inches or a portion of the desktop.

And now I have to go and reinstall the the driver again after the f***ing app removed the control panel...

Everything crammed into the same menu and tiniest space available isn't exactly what I'd call "efficient". In fact, I find the "3D settings" menu of CP a convoluted mess. I'll sure give this new app a go on my HTPC.

 

[b1k3rdude]

Couldn't care less about OBS, GFE and now Nvidia App are much simpler to use

Shadowplay is simpler by design, and if all you want is to record or stream gameplay that its fine for that.

 

[ThrashZone]

Couldn't care less about OBS, GFE and now Nvidia App are much simpler to use

Hi,
Nothing tough about using OBS studio been using it for a while hotkeys work as any decent recording app/ pause.....

Gameplay is not something I'm interested in.

 

[P4-630]

No thanks, no beta testing here....

 

[phints]

While I try this out can you still install NVCP as a backup or if you don't like it?

 

[mxthunder]

Hi,
Old CP is fine only need it to do two things
Disable g-sync
Switch to best quality or performance if benchmarking.
Done.

Just curious why you disable g-sync?
If it does not have the granular features that NVCP had for each program, I wont be interested either.

 

[ThrashZone]

Just curious why you disable g-sync?
If it does not have the granular features that NVCP had for each program, I wont be interested either.

Hi,
Just slows frame rates down.

 

[tabascosauz]

While I try this out can you still install NVCP as a backup or if you don't like it?

NVCP is still there, doesn't get removed (for now). Some of the obscure stuff can still be found there, stuff like Gsync indicator. This one is just an extra application, like GFE

And now I have to go and reinstall the the driver again after the f***ing app removed the control panel...

sounds like skill issue lol

you know you can fetch nvcp from windows store?

 

[Onasi]

Edit: I also don't get why we still have bullshit settings, like the performance setting, where you can select "power saving" or "adaptive" which are the exact same thing, while "prefer maximum performance" runs your card at 100% in every workload. Why would you need such a bonkers thing, really?

You mean “Optimal power” and “Adaptive”? They are not the same thing, technically. Optimal also doesn’t re-render unchanged frames if that’s an option, in addition to Adaptives clock and power variation. No, this doesn’t make much difference on desktop, but it was introduced for laptops.

Hi,
Just slows frame rates down.

That’s absolutely not what GSync or any other VRR technology does.

 

[W1zzard]

The Control Panel is Win32? I thought it was Win16!

It's not .NET, not UWP, not QT, which is why it loads in like a second

@W1zzard - any plans to update NVCleanInstall to support this?

Not sure yet

 

[AusWolf]

It's not .NET, not UWP, not QT, which is why it loads in like a second

I was only joking, but thanks for the correct info anyway. .NET explains a lot.

 

[Luke357]

That’s absolutely not what GSync or any other VRR technology does.

No point in trying to argue with him no matter what you say he will insist that G-Sync is bad.

 

[b1k3rdude]

sounds like skill issue lol

Well I was a few versions behind, so used NvCleanInstall to build the latest package, ran DDU, and reinstalled etc.

 

[nikoya]

finally NVidia is doing something about it.
Tried AMD Radeon 4 years ago, never thought once to come back to NVidia for this reason.
AMD Adrenalin has everything embedded into 1 software (games settings, recording, drivers update, streaming, OC tuning and overlay..)
+ no login
+ smooth and consistent UI

 

[GodisanAtheist]

My biggest issue with a lot of this control panel UI design nowadays is devs still acting like everyone is on a 640x480 screen with their vertical columns of options. 1080p is a VERY common resolution nowadays, please use all that horizontal space to display settings and options so I don't have to scroll through a bunch of stuff while having vast fields of unused space on the right hand side of my screen.

AMD's driver control was amazing back when it (re)launched back in the GCN days. Clean, simple, fast, well laid out, and integrated a bunch of 3rd party stuff (most importantly overclocking) into the driver app. Loved using it with my HD7950. Loved the built in OC tools so I didn't have to launch some bloated 3rd party "gamerz" app to OC my card (925 to 1150 core on that 7950, what a beast).

Went back to NVCP with my 980Ti and it felt like a regression with the lack of OC tools and stone age interface, but really I only had to use it a handful of times to make sure some 3D settings were sorted and then never look at it again, so no big deal.

Now I have a 6800XT and yeezus AMD has turned their once svelte control panel into a bloated hog. All sorts of streaming and app launching garbage on the landing page which I couldn't care less about. Takes a bunch of clicking and looking around to find the Adaptive Vsync/framerate limiter/OC tools. Since I don't use it often I have to sort of relearn it every time I go in.

If NV could just learn to use the screen real-estate and put all the screen/performance options on one tab, then all the streamer/Gen-Z gamer bullshit on another page it would already be a huge step up from what AMD's control panel has become.

 

[P4-630]

No point in trying to argue with him no matter what you say he will insist that G-Sync is bad.

Now when you want to run a 3D Mark test, it always says that you need to disable G-Sync though, so there might be something to it?

 

[Onasi]

Now when you want to run a 3D Mark test, it always says that you need to disable G-Sync though, so there might be something to it?

Yes and no. GSync does have an insanely small frametime cost. It is a processing step on the GPU to tell the monitor scaler/GSync chip what to set the refresh to at all times, after all. It is imperceptible and irrelevant for any gaming use case. When you run at sane frametimes the fractions of a millisecond penalty incurred is not going to be an issue. Ever. But yes, in 3D Mark, a synthetic benchmark which has a score based on a number of raw frames it can push, in some cases ridiculously high number, that penalty does introduce effectively a variable that should not be there for measuring raw performance.
But benchmarking software is not an actual game, so… I mean, I guess theoretically GSync being on would matter if you have a modern system and try pushing frames as high as you can uncapped in something like OG Quake 3 or UT. But then the question would be whether or not you care about 1000 vs 1200 FPS.

 

[chrcoluk]

UI is so big and padded looks like needs big chunk of screen lol.

No thanks. Plus god knows how many background processes and bloat to power it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

get rid of the outdated Control Panel.

Oh hell no! They get rid of the control panel, I'll ditch NVidia.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I dont have an AMD card to test, but from what I have seen in review videos and screenshots of the AMD Adrenaline app, it has way too much space between objects/options in the gui. It also appears to need to want to connect to the internet for "SOME" of its functions. And lastly it appears to be doing in-app advertising for games.

Any GPU control panel should NEVER need to access the internet, so right now this new Control panel replacement is a joke.

Because the AMD control panel has advertisements, a whole "upgrade advisor" which is basically a link to their latest and greatest hardware on amazon, and at a point they even had a whole web browser embedded onto it.

 

[Noyand]

The current layout of the nV Cp is very efficent, I only have to move a few centimeters atm compared to the NvApp requiring several inches or a portion of the desktop.

I actually find the old NVCP too compact for my screen, while not even using that compactness for good. Why is the global setting tab so small ? Why do I have to scroll so much, when they could just use the space available to show more stuff ? That panel was designed for small screens, and was never updated for the 27" 32"/1440p/4k panel that people use today. It's a bit like going on a website that wasn't updated since the early 2000, and you wonder why is everything so small and so densely packed.

 

[chrcoluk]

I didnt get a 27inch 1440p monitor so dev's could increase padding to fill the screen, I enjoy the fact with apps that dont have huge padding that I can now fit more visible windows on at once, thats the advantage of not padding out the UI, why does the app need to fill your screen?

 

[ThrashZone]

Now when you want to run a 3D Mark test, it always says that you need to disable G-Sync though, so there might be something to it?

Hi,
Thank you for reading my entire response which I also mentioned benchmarking lol

 

[Noyand]

I didnt get a 27inch 1440p monitor so dev's could increase padding to fill the screen, I enjoy the fact with apps that dont have huge padding that I can now fit more visible windows on at once, thats the advantage of not padding out the UI, why does the app need to fill your screen?

I didn't say that it needs to fill the whole screen, a good modern UI won't do that, there's just a good balance to have. A good modern app is also responsive, the content will move around depending on how you resize it. Because there's no "one size fits all" The old NVCP doesn't do that, the content just gets cut off, and you need to scroll laterally to see everything, or it just won't use all the new space available for it. It's not being space efficient once you are not constrained.

It's not like UI designers are dumb monkeys, when the content is predictable, and not that dense, you can make it bigger, add more air for readability. Microsoft didn't use the same padding in visual code and the setting panel because they know that the density of information can become heavy. The same can be said for the services list of the new task manager. High density = small padding.

I feel like there's a big difference in thinking between a designer and an engineer . Lurking on tech website seems to indicate that engineers are more aligned with the east asian way of thinking about data organization... (just check the Japanese version of the Square-Enix store) when It's being taught (Miller's Law) that the average westerner can feel overwhelmed by data overload: they will deal with it if they must, but will avoid interacting with it otherwise. Meanwhile, most writing systems in East Asia are already so dense in information that they just got used to deal with a lot of data at once. Japanese companies don't dare to apply their local design principle to the world because of that.