NVIDIA App Doesn't Need a Login, Unlike GeForce Experience

[ThrashZone]

Because the AMD control panel has advertisements, a whole "upgrade advisor" which is basically a link to their latest and greatest hardware on amazon, and at a point they even had a whole web browser embedded onto it.

Hi,
Yeah my amd laptop has that type of stuff but a 4060
At least i can turn off the browser bit which feeds the adds.

It's the MS store apps way right hehe

 

[N/A]

In the HUB video there were more settings. Why can't I see it all.

 

[b1k3rdude]

In the HUB video there were more settings. Why can't I see it all.

Because Im guessing you didnt allow it access to the internet... a driver CP should NOT need access to the internet period.

I actually find the old NVCP too compact for my screen, while not even using that compactness for good. Why is the global setting tab so small ? Why do I have to scroll so much, when they could just use the space available to show more stuff ? That panel was designed for small screens, and was never updated for the 27" 32"/1440p/4k panel that people use today. It's a bit like going on a website that wasn't updated since the early 2000, and you wonder why is everything so small and so densely packed.

Yes and no, not everyone is on a 4k screen. I, like a lot of people am running an ultrawide 1440p screen and arse about face trend by M$ and program devs to spaces thier gui out with no compact option, is short sighted and retarded.

 

[lexluthermiester]

a driver CP should NOT need access to the internet period.

THIS!! Yes!

 

[N/A]

Could be. only a limited list of settings is available, missing all the good stuff from the HUB, but it applies immediately it seems. no button in the lower corner needed. no waiting.

the show Advanced list button is nowhere to be found. But I can work with that for now.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes and no, not everyone is on a 4k screen

Most people are not on a 4k screen. 1080p is still the most common resolution by far.

 

[KrachB00Mente]

Where are the Energy Settings in the App? (Alt+Z)
Power Target etc?

 

[Chomiq]

If this thing is suppose to replace GFE at the moment it's completely missing the Share/Connect functionality which was very useful for uploading videos. Also, instant replay feature seem to bug out when alt-tabbing out the app window, something that never happened before with Shadowplay. And since you can't upload then trimming isn't also an option.

Because Im guessing you didnt allow it access to the internet... a driver CP should NOT need access to the internet period.

No that's not it. HUB mentioned that in the video and they said that some options will be added but some will be removed as they are no longer utilized.

Also, for some games (Helldivers 2) I only saw the ingame settings listed and I couldn't edit the driver specific options.

 

[Franzen4Real]

I wanted to try the RTX HDR feature but I do not see it listed in my settings or in the filters menu. I do have the RTX Vibrancy toggle though. Anyone have a screenshot of where it is located?

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Used nvclean.... and it came up with 551.61
I installed it and older nvcp is still there thank you @W1zzard

 

[lexluthermiester]

Could be. only a limited list of settings is available, missing all the good stuff from the HUB, but it applies immediately it seems. no button in the lower corner needed. no waiting.

the show Advanced list button is nowhere to be found. But I can work with that for now.

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I'm not seeing this...

Hi,
Used nvclean.... and it came up with 551.61
I installed it and older nvcp is still there thank you @W1zzard

... but I'm using this, so maybe I need to install directly on a spare test system..

 

[ThrashZone]

I'm not seeing this...

... but I'm using this, so maybe I need to install directly on a spare test system..

Hi,
I didn't but then again I used it on my x99 testbench setup with my 1080ti to test gpu loop for leaks for a buyer
After I'm done I'll reinstall the 980ti back on and use nvclean again now that i know it didn't change anything.
I never noticed nv cp listed in all apps but it was I did not open it there though I use right click desktop path.

 

[b1k3rdude]

THIS!! Yes!

I actually logged a support ticket with nVidia for this.

 

[Tomorrow]

I find it frustrating that the complaints of a minority "it looks old", get considered over an excellent existing system, and used to excuse more privacy and performance affecting changes.

Minority? The minority here are guys like you wanting the status quo to continue. Literally 90% of comments on other news sites about this welcome the change. Only a handful of people complaining about new bloat, irrational fear that nvcp will suddenly disappear or god forbid the new UI is too big to fit on their 1440p/4K screens.

Supers that forced discounts of every available competing GPU say hello.

Did they now? 4080 had already fallen to ~1050€ in the EU in summer of 2023. Half a year before 4080S launch.
Now 4080S costs the same as 4080 at roughly ~1100€. Im not seeing this supposed 200€ cheaper card that Nvidia promised us.

I've never installed GFE. As long as there is still an option for me to opt out of this and stick to the original NV control panel during the driver installation, I'd gladly do so. No need for more bloat.

Funny you mention bloat. So it's less bloat'y to install several separate programs to get all functions instead of one program?

Just like the bloated AMD driver app, the nvidia app is full of marketing shite via the 'Discovery' panel.

Is anyone forcing you to click these?

The interface as its too spread out (just like Win11) and just liek Win11 it requires more clicking and navigating then the current nV cp does.

As if the current nvcp requires zero scrolling and fits all information inside the window? It does not. I agree that there should be a compact UI option in the settings.

I have zero f***s to give about the notification section, especally about the rewards line.

Then dont click it. It's not even selected by default.

Program Settings - its only detecting some of my games, unlike the old CP.
Global Settings - This is blank UNLESS you give it access to the internet, er WTF!... This is core functionality, this should be built in FFS. Hiding core functionality behind internet access is not going to FUCKING fly.
I tried to provide feedback via the app, but that functionality is broken, shocker.

Someone missed the fact that it's in BETA. You do realize that it's not the final version right?

And OBS dosent..?

Oh great. Another program to install for Nvidia users to get all required functionality. Im losing count here. How many is that now? 3? 4? 5?

The current layout of the nV Cp is very efficent, I only have to move a few centimeters atm compared to the NvApp requiring several inches or a portion of the desktop.

If only there was a way to change mouse DPI on the fly to account for this. No im not sure anyone has invented something like that yet...

And now I have to go and reinstall the the driver again after the f***ing app removed the control panel...

Not sure what you installed or think you installed. I installed the new NVA and it did not touch the old nvcp. How could it if it literally has links inside NVA to open nvcp...

No thanks, no beta testing here....

Well at least they are not asking for you to sign up or pay (or both) to test it unlike some games these days.

While I try this out can you still install NVCP as a backup or if you don't like it?

nvcp is never removed, regardless if you install NVA or uninstall it.

UI is so big and padded looks like needs big chunk of screen lol.
No thanks. Plus god knows how many background processes and bloat to power it.

Im sorry you cant use it on your 720p HD Ready screen.
There are two services running in the background. About half dozen sub processes in task manager.
Less than is required for GFE+nvpp+MSI AB.

I actually find the old NVCP too compact for my screen, while not even using that compactness for good. Why is the global setting tab so small ? Why do I have to scroll so much, when they could just use the space available to show more stuff ? That panel was designed for small screens, and was never updated for the 27" 32"/1440p/4k panel that people use today. It's a bit like going on a website that wasn't updated since the early 2000, and you wonder why is everything so small and so densely packed.
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Yep that's what i've commented in response to people glorifying the old nvpp and not seeing any faults with it.
Don't forget the mouse cursor automatically moving when changing the options on the sidebar or horizontal scroll bars in addition to vertical ones.
And look at all that wasted space that is somehow not a problem.
I won't even mention the lack of dark mode to save my eyes...

 

[dgianstefani]

Minority? The minority here are guys like you wanting the status quo to continue. Literally 90% of comments on other news sites about this welcome the change. Only a handful of people complaining about new bloat, irrational fear that nvcp will suddenly disappear or god forbid the new UI is too big to fit on their 1440p/4K screens.

Did they now? 4080 had already fallen to ~1050€ in the EU in summer of 2023. Half a year before 4080S launch.
Now 4080S costs the same as 4080 at roughly ~1100€. Im not seeing this supposed 200€ cheaper card that Nvidia promised us.

Funny you mention bloat. So it's less bloat'y to install several separate programs to get all functions instead of one program?

Is anyone forcing you to click these?

As if the current nvcp requires zero scrolling and fits all information inside the window? It does not. I agree that there should be a compact UI option in the settings.

Then dont click it. It's not even selected by default.

Someone missed the fact that it's in BETA. You do realize that it's not the final version right?

Oh great. Another program to install for Nvidia users to get all required functionality. Im losing count here. How many is that now? 3? 4? 5?

If only there was a way to change mouse DPI on the fly to account for this. No im not sure anyone has invented something like that yet...

Not sure what you installed or think you installed. I installed the new NVA and it did not touch the old nvcp. How could it if it literally has links inside NVA to open nvcp...

Well at least they are not asking for you to sign up or pay (or both) to test it unlike some games these days.

nvcp is never removed, regardless if you install NVA or uninstall it.

Im sorry you cant use it on your 720p HD Ready screen.
There are two services running in the background. About half dozen sub processes in task manager.
Less than is required for GFE+nvpp+MSI AB.

Yep that's what i've commented in response to people glorifying the old nvpp and not seeing any faults with it.
Don't forget the mouse cursor automatically moving when changing the options on the sidebar or horizontal scroll bars in addition to vertical ones.
And look at all that wasted space that is somehow not a problem.
I won't even mention the lack of dark mode to save my eyes...

Somehow I doubt that NVIDIA is unifying their bloatware to please the vocal minority of people who want their software to be a pretty copy of... AMD? The renowned software company. No. It's being done to expedite data collection and make marketing more entrenched.

Service count is not representative of resource usage. Try using Wireshark or other resource monitoring software to see the actual Internet and resource usage.

The bottom line is, whether we're lucky enough to be able to continue using NVCP, currently, regardless of "beta" status, the installer does not allow us to pick and choose what elements of the driver software we want. You're forced to have the equivalent of GeForce experience plus other phone home bloat that "features" online accounts.

Hence. The new option is pretty, but worse. If that changes for the better in future (I doubt it) I'll reevaluate my analysis.

As others mentioned, I can't see workstation or enterprise putting up with this. So hopefully studio drivers or something similar will still be there for those who like their software environments to be functional over form.

I don't see how a unified installer that has all of these "features" is somehow less bloated than the current drivers that at least have mature third party software to slim them down.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and preference. Unfortunately this release is an example of a shiny new face lift of the same old crap, that removes choice.

It's easy to say "the old control panel is there still, use it!" but that's because the replacement isn't finished yet. What happened to the windows control panel after everything was migrated to the modern interface? Slowly lost functionality and support.

The software is in beta. Now is the time to complain, not just roll over and accept whatever bs they try to slip past with the reskin.

 

[Tomorrow]

Somehow I doubt that NVIDIA is unifying their bloatware to please the vocal minority of people who want their software to be a pretty copy of... AMD?

It is obviously to their own benefit as well. No company acts with only consumer interest in mind.

The renowned software company

More renowned than Nvidia apparently. Seeing how many people praise AMD's control panel over the fragmented mess Nvidia currently has.

It's being done to expedite data collection and make marketing more entrenched.

That's your opinion but i disagree with that unless an actual expert (who analyses network traffic and data collection) proves otherwise.

Service count is not representative of resource usage. Try using Wireshark or other resource monitoring software to see the actual Internet and resource usage.

Yet it seems to representative for most people who complain about the Nvidia bloat.

As others mentioned, I can't see workstation or enterprise putting up with this. So hopefully studio drivers or something similar will still be there for those who like their software environments to be functional over form.

Funnily enough the new NVA offers Studio drives straigh from the app itself.

I don't see how a unified installer that has all of these "features" is somehow less bloated than the current drivers that at least have mature third party software to slim them down.

Unless the new installer can't be slimmed down (i have not seen any evidence to prove that it cant) i will always prefer single installer that i myself slim down.
Also current software slimmers benefit from years of development by people like W1zzard here.

It's easy to say "the old control panel is there still, use it!" but that's because the replacement isn't finished yet. What happened to the windows control panel after everything was migrated to the modern interface? Slowly lost functionality and support.

My point exactly. It was not removed like people fear here. It can still be acessed by typing control in WinKEY+R dialog.
I predict the same will happen with nvcp.

 

[b1k3rdude]

I actually logged a support ticket with nVidia for this.

So they got back to me and told me to log the feedback via the Geforce App..... as you can imagine my response was a HARD no. I should NOT have to use ANOTHER program to provide feedback. That and GFE can as 'Peacemaker' put it, 'suck a bag of d**ks'.

Either they fix the feedback link in the NvidiaApp or provide an alternative way of providing feedback via weblink.

1. The bottom line is, whether we're lucky enough to be able to continue using NVCP, currently, regardless of "beta" status, the installer does not allow us to pick and choose what elements of the driver software we want. You're forced to have the equivalent of GeForce experience plus other phone home bloat that "features" online accounts.
2. As others mentioned, I can't see workstation or enterprise putting up with this. So hopefully studio drivers or something similar will still be there for those who like their software environments to be functional over form.
3. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and preference. Unfortunately this release is an example of a shiny new face lift of the same old crap, that removes choice.
4. The software is in beta. Now is the time to complain, not just roll over and accept whatever bs they try to slip past with the reskin.

1. Yep, so am hoping the NVcleaninstall will still work after the fact...
2. That is a very good point, I would be happy to loose a little gaming perf if the studio driver retain the other CP.
3. THIS!
4. See above.

Someone missed the fact that it's in BETA. You do realize that it's not the final version right?

Which is PRECISELY why we give them immediate and strong feedback. Because if we don't they will think its ok because no one complained about it.

 

[Tomorrow]

Which is PRECISELY why we give them immediate and strong feedback. Because if we don't they will think its ok because no one complained about it.

That's good but development does not stop when the program exits beta version.

There is feedback option inside the new program:

 

[b1k3rdude]

There is feedback option inside the new program:

Just tried v10.0.0.499, same issues as before -

• Feedback still broken - the app and container both hass access to the inernet.
• Graphics>Global Settings shows an error unless the NvContainer is given access to the internet.
• Graphics>Games - per-game there is nothing to edit, like you can in the classic NvCp.

 

[Tomorrow]

Just tried v10.0.0.499, same issues as before -

• Feedback still broken - the app and container both hass access to the inernet.
• Graphics>Global Settings shows an error unless the NvContainer is given access to the internet.
• Graphics>Games - per-game there is nothing to edit, like you can in the classic NvCp.

Of course the app has to have some access to the internet. How else do users give feedback, how else does it check for driver updates and how else can it download installers for things like ICAT etc from within the app?

Internet access should not be necessary to access global settings. This i agree with.

 

[Onasi]

Of course the app has to have some access to the internet. How else do users give feedback, how else does it check for driver updates and how else can it download installers for things like ICAT etc from within the app?

Internet access should not be necessary to access global settings. This i agree with.

Even the base NVCP does access the net, which I learned from my talk with W1zz in another thread, at least it does on RTX cards when you launch a DLSS supporting game. Apparently, it downloads new DLSS profiles that way, guess it has to do with the learning algorithms. But yeah, not having the most basic settings without an internet connection is just baffling. Another reason why I think the app won’t fully replace the NVCP - some cases need the driver to be installed on a PC that doesn’t have the connection.

 

[lexluthermiester]

the app and container both hass access to the inernet.

Firewall rule to block.

Graphics>Global Settings shows an error unless the NvContainer is given access to the internet.

Yeah, ok, that sucks. I don't think that's universal though as I had no internet connection for my test PC and did not have a problem with global settings access.

 

[b1k3rdude]

I had no internet connection for my test PC and did not have a problem with global settings access.

With no intention to cause drama, are you absolutely sure of this? Because in both times I tested the NvApp it unequivocally refused to show anything on the 'Graphics>Global Settings' page unless NvContainer had unfettered access to the net.

Also what version of the NvApp did you get that result on..?

Of course the app has to have some access to the internet. How else do users give feedback, how else does it check for driver updates and how else can it download installers for things like ICAT etc from within the app?

Internet access should not be necessary to access global settings. This i agree with.

I and probably like a lot of people, dont need/want any of the 'crap' nVidia is trying to fist upon us via the NvApp. Namely 'everything that requires an internet connection. All I need is what I currently have via the classic NvCp, which included the global/program settings.

And talking of 'program settings' in the NvApp there is no way to edit the 3D settings per game/program in the NvApp like you can in the NvCp.

 

[lexluthermiester]

With no intention to cause drama, are you absolutely sure of this?

The PC I tested on has no network connection, wifi or otherwise. There is no wifi on the system and the LAN is disabled in the BIOS.

 

[ThrashZone]

The PC I tested on has no network connection, wifi or otherwise. There is no wifi on the system and the LAN is disabled in the BIOS.

Hi,
Benchmarking I used global all the time adjusting them.

Program section if it's an online game you might have fun using them for obvious reasons hehe