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AMD's RDNA 4 GPUs Could Stick with 18 Gbps GDDR6 Memory

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Today, we have the latest round of leaks that suggest that AMD's upcoming RDNA 4 graphics cards, codenamed the "RX 8000-series," might continue to rely on GDDR6 memory modules. According to Kepler on X, the next-generation GPUs from AMD are expected to feature 18 Gbps GDDR6 memory, marking the fourth consecutive RDNA architecture to employ this memory standard. While GDDR6 may not offer the same bandwidth capabilities as the newer GDDR7 standard, this decision does not necessarily imply that RDNA 4 GPUs will be slow performers. AMD's choice to stick with GDDR6 is likely driven by factors such as meeting specific memory bandwidth requirements and cost optimization for PCB designs. However, if the rumor of 18 Gbps GDDR6 memory proves accurate, it would represent a slight step back from the 18-20 Gbps GDDR6 memory used in AMD's current RDNA 3 offerings, such as the RX 7900 XT and RX 7900 XTX GPUs.

AMD's first generation RDNA used GDDR6 with 12-14 Gbps speeds, RDNA 2 came with GDDR6 at 14-18 Gbps, and the current RDNA 3 used 18-20 Gbps GDDR6. Without an increment in memory generation, speeds should stay the same at 18 Gbps. However, it is crucial to remember that leaks should be treated with skepticism, as AMD's final memory choices for RDNA 4 could change before the official launch. The decision to use GDDR6 versus GDDR7 could have significant implications in the upcoming battle between AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel's next-generation GPU architectures. If AMD indeed opts for GDDR6 while NVIDIA pivots to GDDR7 for its "Blackwell" GPUs, it could create a disparity in memory bandwidth performance between the competing products. All three major GPU manufacturers—AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel with its "Battlemage" architecture—are expected to unveil their next-generation offerings in the fall of this year. As we approach these highly anticipated releases, more concrete details on specifications and performance capabilities will emerge, providing a clearer picture of the competitive landscape.



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The decision to use GDDR6 versus GDDR7 could have significant implications in the upcoming battle between AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel's next-generation GPU architectures.
I disagree. High-end RDNA 4 (Navi 48) is rumoured to be around 7900 XT level in performance at best. GDDR6 is more than enough there. GDDR7 would only increase manufacturing costs with probably no performance advantage.
 
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I disagree. High-end RDNA 4 (Navi 48) is rumoured to be around 7900 XT level in performance at best. GDDR6 is more than enough there. GDDR7 would only increase manufacturing costs with probably no performance advantage.
Well it does underline they might not move the bar up after all, which is a horrible business decision.

They're gonna do another Polaris and then wonder why they can't catch up. Seems like my time on AMD is gonna be a one off occasion then.

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AMD really don't seem to be firing on all cylinders lately. If RDNA4 is as bad as what's being rumoured, then Radeon will be over.
 
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Something went badly wrong and that's why they will only release mid range imo it was the same with RDNA 1, no company will abandon a product stack if there is even a remote chance they can get it out the door AKA RDNA 3. It will give them more time to get RDNA 5 working. They were brave being first out the gate with chiplet retail GPUs and current gen shows they didn't get it right but only have so many resources to spend on development which in hindsight was wrong because they are also missing out on AI now but I can understand the choices because CPU's are the cash cow but doesn't mean I agree.
 
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Intel keeps catching break after break after break, let's just hope they don't waste this one as well.
 

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I disagree. High-end RDNA 4 (Navi 48) is rumoured to be around 7900 XT level in performance at best. GDDR6 is more than enough there. GDDR7 would only increase manufacturing costs with probably no performance advantage.

Memory bandwidth is always an issue with AMD. More is better. GDDR7 is preferred. AMD is two generations behind. GDDR7 and GDDR6X are being used and considered by the competition.

Well it does underline they might not move the bar up after all, which is a horrible business decision.

They're gonna do another Polaris and then wonder why they can't catch up. Seems like my time on AMD is gonna be a one off occasion then.

If they price is at 149-199$, it will be fine. Else, it will stay untouched on the shelves. :D
 
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AMD really don't seem to be firing on all cylinders lately. If RDNA4 is as bad as what's being rumoured, then Radeon will be over.
I fully agree with the first part, as far as AMD graphics division is concerned, at least. The second part might be overstating things a bit. I think they can survive another mediocre gen, particularly if at the very least they manage to release a good value for money mid-range part. If they release a Polaris-valued part, they'll be good. Not the best for their image (you don't want to become the cyrix of gpus), but not a catastrophe either. 580s sold massively. But they are disappointing lately, this much is true.

I'm thinking that if nVidia hadn't been burning bridges left and right, and gotten a reputation for being a nightmare to work with, AMD might already have been having trouble in the console space as well, but I guess they have nVidia's... ahem... "unique" management style to thank for that. It never ceases to surprise me how nvidia managed to have a stable working relationship with nintendo, what with both companies being what they are.

In any case, if AMD should keep underperforming like that, I certainly think next time around (ie Playstation 7/ Xbox X series X model X squared X time around) intel might actually get a fighting chance at the consoles.
 
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Yeah, there's no fear AMD will suddenly abandon Radeon. All professional graphics, compute stuff for servers, AI accelerators, all stems in it's core from basic gaming GPU tech. This, and integrated GPUs and their console pocessors need their base in gaming GPUs. But they don't have to mass produce discrete gaming GPUs in any large number if they have larger margins in most other products - even when Nvidia shoots itself in the knee and offers a generation with zero price / performance uplift...
 
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Well it does underline they might not move the bar up after all, which is a horrible business decision.

They're gonna do another Polaris and then wonder why they can't catch up. Seems like my time on AMD is gonna be a one off occasion then.

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Personally, I don't care if it's a catch-up game or not. I only want the horrible video playback power consumption to be fixed. If they do that (and I can sell my 7800 XT for a decent price), I'll make the swap.

AMD really don't seem to be firing on all cylinders lately. If RDNA4 is as bad as what's being rumoured, then Radeon will be over.
AMD has proved that it's possible to survive without selling any high-end product by selling bricks labelled as CPUs for roughly 10 years.
 
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Weird comments here again.

AMD as a company is doing fine, remember they also have cpu division to worry about and invest in, which I assume nets them a lot more profit, especially Epyc.

and arnt their best selling gpu's always the more entry level stuff, indeed that Polaris that seems to constantly receive "shade" from the users here?

Seems only logical to me for the company to drop investment in high end gaming gpu's, at least for now, and focus on stuff that actually sells.
All the marketing is constantly on Nvidia's side, hell look at how much digital foundry basically shuns AMD gpu's....does not help when even supposidly independant sources only mention and thus push Nvidia.

The market has spoken, if nobody buys AMD gpu's....then why should AMD continue to invest in it? Better to just make what is actually kinda being bought, mid range, and for the rest focus on that AI hype nonsense.

oh and if that midrange in the future is 7900xt performance for idk, 7600xt pricing, that would be a huge win for the consumers.
 
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As long as power efficiency is greatly improved, I would be motivated to upgrade from my 6600 XT.
What really puzzles me is that RDNA 3's power effieiency doesn't live up to expectations, and dual-issue design doesn't seem functioning like it should. I don't know why they let it happen in the lab after RDNA 2's success.
 
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driven by factors such as... cost optimization

Uh oh. Last time they marketed something as cost optimizations, they launched a product stack that's 20-40% overpriced and regressed in price/$ vs the previous generation.
 
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As long as power efficiency is greatly improved, I would be motivated to upgrade from my 6600 XT.
What really puzzles me is that RDNA 3's power effieiency doesn't live up to expectations, and dual-issue design doesn't seem functioning like it should. I don't know why they let it happen in the lab after RDNA 2's success.
Because it was similar to Zen 2 back in the day.

1 gen chiplets showed promise but weren't able to unlock/really sho off the benefits till zen3

RDNA4 I suspect was aimed to do the same but something in theory did NOT translate into practice for some reason and fundamentally broke the concept or was such a problem it hobbled what the specs would have lead you to believe.
 
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AMD has proved that it's possible to survive without selling any high-end product by selling bricks labelled as CPUs for roughly 10 years.
They were 6-12 months away from declaring bankruptcy dude. If Zen had big issues and needed another year in the oven, they would have gone under. That's how close to the wall they got.

And as far as this latest problem, we are not talking about the entirety of AMD, just the rapidly becoming useless Radeon division. RDNA4 needs a very short shelf life, and RDNA5 to be amazing for them to recover. Intel will take Radeon to town by the end of this year if AMD perform the same or lower.
 
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Because it was similar to Zen 2 back in the day.

1 gen chiplets showed promise but weren't able to unlock/really sho off the benefits till zen3

RDNA4 I suspect was aimed to do the same but something in theory did NOT translate into practice for some reason and fundamentally broke the concept or was such a problem it hobbled what the specs would have lead you to believe.
I think chiplet packaging on a substrate is a bottleneck right now. The production of accelerators for AI is a priority, apparently. AMD probably stopped the designing of high-end video card models based on chiplets until better times. And, I guess, they didn't have time for a new monolithic chip.
 
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Weird comments here again.

AMD as a company is doing fine, remember they also have cpu division to worry about and invest in, which I assume nets them a lot more profit, especially Epyc.

and arnt their best selling gpu's always the more entry level stuff, indeed that Polaris that seems to constantly receive "shade" from the users here?

Seems only logical to me for the company to drop investment in high end gaming gpu's, at least for now, and focus on stuff that actually sells.
All the marketing is constantly on Nvidia's side, hell look at how much digital foundry basically shuns AMD gpu's....does not help when even supposidly independant sources only mention and thus push Nvidia.

The market has spoken, if nobody buys AMD gpu's....then why should AMD continue to invest in it? Better to just make what is actually kinda being bought, mid range, and for the rest focus on that AI hype nonsense.

oh and if that midrange in the future is 7900xt performance for idk, 7600xt pricing, that would be a huge win for the consumers.
I agree for the most part.

But the long term outlook is grim if AMD does not continue to compete in high end. Todays high end is tomorrow's midrange, and the day after, its entry level. After that? You're dead in the water. Also, the halo product perception matters. Nvidia sells its brand on 'the fastest GPU ever' every gen. Not because they're having such a fantastic midrange; ironically, for Ada, the midrange is the poorest part of the line up. Ampere was no different.

Look how much time Intel needs to gain performance parity, they're not even remotely close yet, and their target keeps moving away from them over time too. The reason Nvidia captured 80% was exactly because of the lack of AMD's focus. It wasn't until RDNA2 that they had somewhat competitive product again ever since Polaris. Even in the midrange. Vega was a shitshow, Fury X got beaten handsomely and supported poorly, etc. Also, their GPU developments are double dipping in PC and in console chips, so there is every reason to keep pushing.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. It'll turn stale and eventually crumble.
 
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I project we will see a small card with mediocre performance on a new node with larger infinity cache on a single die at 3Ghz and with decent scaled RT performance.

Then they will release a mid range card then announce a performance but not enthusiast card before the holidays and then a slightly tweaked enthusiast card sometime after they get production back from their console/holiday chip production.


I would guess the performance card will beat a 7900XTX at RT and be slightly behind at older DX titles/raster performance.
 
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Personally, I don't care if it's a catch-up game or not. I only want the horrible video playback power consumption to be fixed. If they do that (and I can sell my 7800 XT for a decent price), I'll make the swap.


AMD has proved that it's possible to survive without selling any high-end product by selling bricks labelled as CPUs for roughly 10 years.
Right, you might wanna double check those statements for a moment.

Its not like Polaris suddenly made AMD bank either... AMD has a permanent problem of low margins on their products, and its pretty clear why. They're inconsistent which damages trust. In the meantime Nvidia can sell a tiny sliver of a chip at 50-60% margin. So much margin in fact, that even the somewhat bigger slivers can remain monolithic for much longer.

But I suppose Lisa knows best, better than Raja at least. Perhaps there's a greater plan. I'm not holding my breath tho.
 

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AMD as a company is doing fine

I am not a shareholder or an employee at the said company, and it has nothing to do with the topic in hand.
You as a customer, consumer, user, client do not get good graphics products by AMD, because of their motivation to put the consumer graphics department as the last priority in a very long list of priorities.
Even the stupid consoles are above it and AMD performs better there.

Not going to comment on EPYC. You are wrong. Nvidia sells mostly Quadros and is a much larger and wealthier company. So, AMD sits on three chairs (CPUs, GPUs, consoles) and yet it performs much worse than nvidia.
 
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I am not a shareholder or an employee at the said company, and it has nothing to do with the topic in hand.
You as a customer, consumer, user, client do not get good graphics products by AMD, because of their motivation to put the consumer graphics department as the last priority in a very long list of priorities.
Even the stupid consoles are above it and AMD performs better there.

Not going to comment on EPYC. You are wrong. Nvidia sells mostly Quadros and is a much larger and wealthier company. So, AMD sits on three chairs (CPUs, GPUs, consoles) and yet it performs much worse than nvidia.

and yet its still doing fine....way to type a lot and not make a single point.
 

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and yet its still doing fine....way to type a lot and not make a single point.

AMD as a whole indeed "is doing fine", but this doesn't warm me up in the slightest when I put the Radeon in my PC case. The only thing I get is a disappointment and embarrassment, because of the low performance.
 
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