AMD "Strix Point" Mobile Processor Confirmed 12-core/24-thread, But Misses Out on PCIe Gen 5

[Minus Infinity]

AMD is doubling down on APUs. Maybe this is why they are possibly having second thoughts on the high end discrete client GPU market.

I don't see that. High end dGPU is not dead, it just has to wait for RDNA5. RDNA4's complex chiplet design is why RDNA4 high end was killed. It was taking too much time and effort to get working. It was much more complex than RDNA3. They decided not to spend the money and man hours getting it right as that would push further RDNA5 back which is already 12 months behind Blackwell. Also RDNA4 mid range is said to as strong as current RDNA3 flagships but a lot cheaper. If true N48 will sell up a storm at $500 max.

 

[stimpy88]

So PCiE-5 continues to be a problem in 2024, so exactly what will bring gen 6+ to the consumer table when they (AMD & Intel) constantly find ways of keeping gen 5 out of products?

 

[Daven]

What's irrational with wanting lower prices? Does anyone here hate competition?

How many actually thinks "I just wish AMD got gone, even if it meant I had to pay twice the price for my next RTX!".

You didn't see the impossibility of this thinking so I'll explain. How can AMD compete to help drive down prices if everyone only wants to buy Nvidia? You have to actually buy AMD in order for Nvidia to drop prices. That's why its irrational.

 

[bug]

You didn't see the impossibility of this thinking so I'll explain. How can AMD compete to help drive down prices if everyone only wants to buy Nvidia? You have to actually buy AMD in order for Nvidia to drop prices. That's why its irrational.

That's rationalizing. And not even the better kind.

They're a player in the market, they can influence it. And yes, if AMD would offer performance at a significant discount compared to Nvidia, AMD would see more sales (imagine that!). Why don't they do that? Because GPUs, as we have them today, are not price gauged (at the top), they're simply expensive to build.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

So PCiE-5 continues to be a problem in 2024, so exactly what will bring gen 6+ to the consumer table when they (AMD & Intel) constantly find ways of keeping gen 5 out of products?

What does PCI-E 5 offer to the enterprise.
Interconnect speeds! 4/800Gbps interconnections.
Storage density. 48 x x4 connected SSDs into a single or double U of space
Accelerator interconnects 4 or 8 x16 Accelerators in one chassis easily with space for storage/interconnects etc as needed.
The things like CXL etc on top of all this.


Where currently in the Consumer market are people really taking advantage of that.
PCI-e 5 SSDs are massively expensive,are hot,big power draw
GPUs are still at PCI-E 4.0
How many peope have >10Gbps internet/networks at home. How many are still on 1Gb switches/routers

PCIe 5.0 will bring advantages to consumers but its the server space at the moment that can really take advantage of it with ease.

 

[SL2]

How can AMD compete to help drive down prices if everyone only wants to buy Nvidia? You have to actually buy AMD in order for Nvidia to drop prices. That's why its irrational.

Everyone? That's a big if you didn't mention before. Also, since you've already mentioned two other types of Nvidia users you kind of contradict yourself by your own reasoning.
Besides, what a single customer wants to buy doesn't affect everyone's choice.

Your argument doesn't even need two brands. Lets say I want to buy a cheap HP laptop. What would happen if EVERYONE wanted to buy the same model?..
You can apply this logic to almost anything but in the end it doesn't work like that, fortunately.

 

[FeelinFroggy]

How many laptop users really need a 12 core chip?

You didn't see the impossibility of this thinking so I'll explain. How can AMD compete to help drive down prices if everyone only wants to buy Nvidia? You have to actually buy AMD in order for Nvidia to drop prices. That's why its irrational.

Are you saying you'll buy an inferior product from a company so that company can make more money and maybe one day sell the products for less? I bet AMD has a bridge they can sell you too.

I dont think you understand how prices actually work, but you have one word correct and that is compete. For prices to lower, then AMD and Nvidia need to compete instead of one being a little brother to the other. The same way AMD 'competed' against intel with the Ryzen lineup. Before Ryzen, AMD was certainly second fiddle to Intel, anyone who says otherwise has a strange bias to one corporation. Look how quickly AMD made high core count CPUs standard for computers. Those Intel 10 HEDT units were priced ridiculously because there was not competition from AMD.

For GPU prices to lower, then AMD will need to compete better with Nvidia. The big gap right now is DLSS, Frame Gen, and RTX performance. In those areas AMD is significantly behind in those areas. But that's not to say AMD makes bad GPU's, they are really good, but they cant 'compete' with Nvidia in several areas.

Lastly, GPU prices are not going to suddenly drop because AMD releases a great GPU. In fact, expect GPU prices to increase, and by a lot over the next several years. There is too much use for GPU's in AI and Nvidia and AMD will certainly cater to those markets. What will happen is the demand for GPUs will increase and with no more foundry spaces, the supply will remain the same.

AMD will be fine. They make great products, both GPU's and CPUs. While they are slightly behind Nvidia right now, it's not by a lot and AMD can make up a lot of ground in upscaling resolution with AI cores in future GPUs.

 

[tommo1982]

So PCiE-5 continues to be a problem in 2024, so exactly what will bring gen 6+ to the consumer table when they (AMD & Intel) constantly find ways of keeping gen 5 out of products?

It's been stated numerous times, PCIe-3.0 is enough for majority of GPU's. My RX570 is running on PCIe 3.0 x8, due to iGPU using the other half. Games run fine and the card doesn't feel limited. Apart of me limiting FPS to 60. I don't see the need of GB/s transfers in PCIe 4.0 SSD's either. I'd prefer high 4KB Q1T1 random read/write. That's what is important in daily usage.

 

[FeelinFroggy]

It's been stated numerous times, PCIe-3.0 is enough for majority of GPU's. My RX570 is running on PCIe 3.0 x8, due to iGPU using the other half. Games run fine and the card doesn't feel limited. Apart of me limiting FPS to 60. I don't see the need of GB/s transfers in PCIe 4.0 SSD's either. I'd prefer high 4KB Q1T1 random read/write. That's what is important in daily usage.

The RX570 is an older card and it does not need as much bandwidth. While I will agree, 3.0 speeds were enough for your GPU for a long time, but that has started to shift. Newer and high end GPUs move more data and they need more bandwidth, therefore the need for 4.0. 5.0 is all but useless for gaming GPUs today just like 4.0 has been useless unitl the last few years until GPUs can take advantage.

 

[G777]

Since the 12C SKU uses the same FP8 package as the single-CCD 7040/8040 series, the chart implies that there will be a 12C CCD using presumably 1-2 Zen5 plus 10-11 Zen5c

It's been pretty well established that they will be using 4x Zen 5 + 8x Zen 5c.

 

[phints]

Considering there are not even good PCIe 4.0 SSDs out yet (waiting for 990 Pro / SN850X successors) this is a non issue.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

The RX570 is an older card and it does not need as much bandwidth. While I will agree, 3.0 speeds were enough for your GPU for a long time, but that has started to shift. Newer and high end GPUs move more data and they need more bandwidth, therefore the need for 4.0. 5.0 is all but useless for gaming GPUs today just like 4.0 has been useless unitl the last few years until GPUs can take advantage.

PCIe 4.0 is still "useless" even now for GPUs and isnt "necessary" for SSDs in the consumer space.
A 4090 running on PCIe 3.0 loses single digit performance even at PCIe 2.0 is less than 10% worst case

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 PCI-Express Scaling

The new NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 is a graphics card powerhouse, but what happens when you run it on a PCI-Express 4.0 x8 bus? In our mini-review we've also tested various PCI-Express 3.0, 2.0 and 1.1 configs to get a feel for how FPS scales with bandwidth.

www.techpowerup.com

How many of you here are going to really see/feel the difference a 4Gb/s SSD and an 8GB/s SSD.......... now when you consider that "sacrificing" things like this may actually give you an extra hour of battery life out of your laptop for a single SSD etc its more and more sensible.



So thinking that a piece of silicon designed with power constraints in mind it makes PERFECT sense to not include PCIe 5.0 as all you are doing is commiting power draw and heat for litearlly 0 benefit in situations this silicon would be deployed/used in.

 

[stimpy88]

What does PCI-E 5 offer to the enterprise.
Interconnect speeds! 4/800Gbps interconnections.
Storage density. 48 x x4 connected SSDs into a single or double U of space
Accelerator interconnects 4 or 8 x16 Accelerators in one chassis easily with space for storage/interconnects etc as needed.
The things like CXL etc on top of all this.


Where currently in the Consumer market are people really taking advantage of that.
PCI-e 5 SSDs are massively expensive,are hot,big power draw
GPUs are still at PCI-E 4.0
How many peope have >10Gbps internet/networks at home. How many are still on 1Gb switches/routers

PCIe 5.0 will bring advantages to consumers but its the server space at the moment that can really take advantage of it with ease.

So you think consumers shouldn't have more than PCiE4? Ok, moving slowly away from the 640k is enough crazy person...

 

[SL2]

So you think consumers shouldn't have more than PCiE4? Ok, moving slowly away from the 640k is enough crazy person...

Nice weird jumping to conclusions.
It's not like consumers can't have it, just pick a CPU that got it! Like Raphael, which makes me guess that Dragon range has it as well, tho I haven't looked it up.

There's no point in having PCIE 5 in EVERY CPU/APU (yet), just because it's possible.

 

[Hakker]

So PCiE-5 continues to be a problem in 2024, so exactly what will bring gen 6+ to the consumer table when they (AMD & Intel) constantly find ways of keeping gen 5 out of products?

It's not a problem. It's irrelevant. Faster speed=more heat and more power consumption. Laptops are meant to be portable and power efficient. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should need a gen5 SSD in their laptop. Literally none. So why add design complexity when there is no reason to use it.
Also Gen 5 SSDs are useless in desktops as well. PCIe is going faster and faster to be more useful in datacenters and super computers. They are already busy with Gen6 and Gen7.

You don't even need Gen4 SSDs for that matter.

So you think consumers shouldn't have more than PCiE4? Ok, moving slowly away from the 640k is enough crazy person...

At this time yes PCIe 4 is more than enough for consumers. The only reason for it is actually Direct Storage that benefits from it and for that a PCIe 4 SSD is more than sufficient.

Consumers really have 0 need for PCIe 5.0 unless you want everything to use PCIe 4x connections. the RTX 4090 barely benefits from a PCIe 3.0 x16 connection over an 8x one. SSDs only for their copying and really how often do you need to copy massive files that you can't wait a few seconds longer for. It does nothing in speeding up level loading unless it supports Direct Storage which are at this time only Forspoken, Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart, Horizon Forbidden West, and Forza Motorsport.
Gen 5 just makes your SSD a power hungry beast. I mean 15 watt for writing is no joke and has nothing to do in a laptop. Gen 4 SSDs can work with a third of that power. a Gen 3 SSD hardly registers the 2watt mark.

With your quote standing I reckon you have a 400Gbit network running at home as well. Because well why stay at 1 gbit and your 5GHz wifi spot when there is also wifi 7. Not to mention have a 128 Core CPU because.... more cores and not to forget 2TB of RAM.
Maybe now you might understand where some of us are getting at.

 

[Wirko]

The only reason for it is actually Direct Storage that benefits from it and for that a PCIe 4 SSD is more than sufficient.

It's been demonstrated that even SATA SSDs benefit greatly from DS.

 

[Geofrancis]

It's been demonstrated that even SATA SSDs benefit greatly from DS.

isnt the main limitation is decompressing it rather than the drive speed.

 

[Tech Ninja]

I was thinking along the same lines.


The 7900XTX is the second fastest GPU ever made. Its hard to compete against emotion. There are a large number of Nvidia users that fall into three categories:

1. Cult followers - few but they actually exist.
2. Belief in anything negative even if untrue to always justify buying Nvidia.
3. And the worst Nvidia user - those who want AMD to compete in order to bring down prices of Nvidia cards so they can afford one. That’s a special kind of irrationality.

So AMD might go the Apple route and almost always bundle the GPU and CPU together. Maybe make a discrete card for the most popular price bracket (mid range) and save the rest of capacity space for Instincts.

LMAO. Meanwhile I’m here looking at the latest RTX game and XTX is number 15 in terms of fastest GPUs