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DRAM Contract Prices for Q2 Adjusted to a 13-18% Increase; NAND Flash around 15-20%

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TrendForce's latest forecasts reveal contract prices for DRAM in the second quarter are expected to increase by 13-18%, while NAND Flash contract prices have been adjusted to a 15-20% Only eMMC/UFS will be seeing a smaller price increase of about 10%.

Before the 4/03 earthquake, TrendForce had initially predicted that DRAM contract prices would see a seasonal rise of 3-8% and NAND Flash 13-18%, significantly tapering from Q1 as seen from spot price indicators which showed weakening price momentum and reduced transaction volumes. This was primarily due to subdued demand outside of AI applications, particularly with no signs of recovery in demand for notebooks and smartphones. Inventory levels were gradually increasing, especially among PC OEMs. Additionally, with DRAM and NAND Flash prices having risen for 2-3 consecutive quarters, the willingness of buyers to accept further substantial price increases had diminished.




Post-earthquake, the market heard scattered reports of PC OEM suppliers accepting significant increases in DRAM and NAND Flash contract prices due to special considerations, but these were isolated transactions. By late April—after a new round of contract price negotiations were completed—the increases were larger than initially expected. This pushed TrendForce to revise upward Q2 contract price increases for both DRAM and NAND Flash, reflecting not only the buyers' desire to support the value of their inventories but also considerations of supply and demand prospects for the AI market.

TrendForce reports that manufacturers are wary of potential crowding out effects on HBM capacity. Specifically, Samsung's HBM3e products, which utilize the 1alpha process node, are projected to use about 60% of this capacity by the end of 2024. This substantial allocation is expected to constrict DDR5 suppliers, particularly as HBM3e production significantly increases in Q3. In response, buyers are strategically increasing their stock in Q2 to prepare for anticipated HBM shortages beginning in the third quarter.

As energy efficiency becomes increasingly crucial for AI inference servers, North American CSPs are adopting QLC enterprise SSDs as their preferred storage solutions. This shift is boosting demand for QLC enterprise SSDs causing rapid inventory depletion among some suppliers and making them hesitant to sell. Additionally, due to the uncertain recovery in consumer product demand, suppliers are generally conservative about capital investments in non-HBM wafer capacities, particularly for NAND Flash, which is currently priced at the breakeven point.

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I knew I should have purchased a bunch of SSDs when the prices were low, even if I didn't need them at the time (and now, tbh). Too late now.
 

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I knew I should have purchased a bunch of SSDs when the prices were low, even if I didn't need them at the time (and now, tbh). Too late now.
Prices aren't that bad, yet. But yeah, this past summer was really the time to get some spare SSDs.
 
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I knew I should have purchased a bunch of SSDs when the prices were low, even if I didn't need them at the time (and now, tbh). Too late now.
I did, and sooooo glad, since I won't have to raise my prices for client builds for the next 6-9 months or so.....
Prices aren't that bad, yet. But yeah, this past summer was really the time to get some spare SSDs.
They rock hit bottom in mid-December, that's when I bought my stash, but yea, the trend started late summer. However, I'm still seein some no-name 4TB m.2's for ~$279-300.... but I won't touch them, even with someone else's 10ft pole :)
 
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I'm glad I bought while I could LMAO

Prices aren't that bad, yet. But yeah, this past summer was really the time to get some spare SSDs.
This previous summer is when I got 2 64gb kits for our rigs... and was totally worth it lo, and a few ssds.. definitely the right time to do that LOL
 
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I'm curious why the prices of 4TB SSDs have gone up much less than those of 2TB models. So now we mostly see price parity, or even less (£€$$) per TB in larger ones.

Perhaps manufacturers now have good enough technology, and enough capacity, to make taller stacks of NAND dies than before, and achieve better packaging yields.

So @bonehead123 , your SN850X's aren't such a great speculative currency if you have mostly 4TB ones in the shipping containers behind your barn. 2TB is better. The SN770, which you don't like, is better yet. But I'm looking at Euroland prices, not the US.
 

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@ the rate these price increases are going, they'll start experiencing "a sharp decline in sales" in one or 2 years @ most ...
 
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I was thinking DDR5 and Zen 5 as a possibility in the near future. But I guess an extra pair of 8GBs or 16GBs of DDR4 and staying with AM4 makes more sense. At least in my case.

I'm curious why the prices of 4TB SSDs have gone up much less than those of 2TB models.
Maybe 4TBs have been selling at a premium all this time, so manufacturers don't really need to increase pricing in those to keep having a profit.
 
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So @bonehead123 , your SN850X's aren't such a great speculative currency if you have mostly 4TB ones in the shipping containers behind your barn. 2TB is better. The SN770, which you don't like, is better yet. But I'm looking at Euroland prices, not the US.
A) I didn't buy them as investments per se, only to use in client builds, and therefore will be able to pass the savings on to them instead of increasing my prices due to the current spikes....
B) They are in my workshop, not in my barn hahaha, but yes, they will stay in their original packaging until I need to install them...
C) How do you know I don't like the 770 ???? I have a few of those too, like in my wife's lappy and some external back-ups, which don't need the better performance of the 850x
 
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Prices aren't that bad, yet. But yeah, this past summer was really the time to get some spare SSDs.

From what I've seen prices on some SSD have moved up 40%+ in the past 4-5 months. If you ask me, that's pretty significant. All from a simple idea at the start of the year that supply was going to be restrained due to "high overstock". That simple, little idea was enough to start the spike in pricing. Now you have companies once again reporting high or record high profits....but I suppose that also has to do with using the stupid term "AI" in stuff and people gobble that shit up like it's going out of style.
 
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@ the rate these price increases are going, they'll start experiencing "a sharp decline in sales" in one or 2 years @ most ...

Like other markets where prices have increased, they have seen a decrease in sales. The problem is the price increases have more than made up for the drop in sales. They are banking on the fact that a certain number of people will have to buy memory and NAND containing storage.

I'm curious why the prices of 4TB SSDs have gone up much less than those of 2TB models. So now we mostly see price parity, or even less (£€$$) per TB in larger ones.

Perhaps manufacturers now have good enough technology, and enough capacity, to make taller stacks of NAND dies than before, and achieve better packaging yields.

If you follow market pricing, 2TB and 1TB drives lost the most value when the market was "over-supplied" while 4TB and particularly 8TB lost the least value. There's been no advancement in technology, these drives are still using the same NAND chips with the same number of stacks. The only difference is the margins of the lower capacity drives is increasing. Mind you even if all 4TB drives did update to higher layer count NAND the price would increase, not decrease. High density NAND is more expense not less.
 

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From what I've seen prices on some SSD have moved up 40%+ in the past 4-5 months. If you ask me, that's pretty significant. All from a simple idea at the start of the year that supply was going to be restrained due to "high overstock". That simple, little idea was enough to start the spike in pricing. Now you have companies once again reporting high or record high profits....but I suppose that also has to do with using the stupid term "AI" in stuff and people gobble that shit up like it's going out of style.
Ok, I guess it depends a lot on where you are then. It looks like some drives have gone up by that much or even, especially the latest models from the likes of Samsung and WD.

The 2 TB Kingston KC3000 drive I have was the equivalent of US$229 when I got in 2022 and it was then considered a good price for it, as it had been selling for $300+ since launch.
Right now it's going for the equivalent of US$152 in Taiwan (where I bought it), but it was down to around $110 last summer, but that's almost a year ago now.

However, "lesser" brands like PNY is offering their 2 TB XLR8 for as little as US$115, which is only a $15 increase from the bottom price for that drive.

I also built a system for a friend in 2022 and as he has very basic needs, I got him a 1 TB Samsung 980 which was US$80 then and US$74 now.

On the other hand, my 1 TB Solidigm P44 Pro was going for a mere US$62 and it's now retailing for just over US$100.

The exchange rate has had some impact as well, but it's not that big of a change since last summer.
 
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I knew I should have purchased a bunch of SSDs when the prices were low, even if I didn't need them at the time (and now, tbh). Too late now.
I was in the same boat for SSD's I wanted to upgrade my 2x1 TB SSD raid 0 array to 2TB's disc but missed that window will wait will until the end of the year.

I also want to go AM5 this year for Zen 5 so that means I will need to buy the DDR5 memory ASAP.
 

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I was in the same boat for SSD's I wanted to upgrade my 2x1 TB SSD raid 0 array to 2TB's disc but missed that window will wait will until the end of the year.

I also want to go AM5 this year for Zen 5 so that means I will need to buy the DDR5 memory ASAP.
DDR5 doesn't appear to have moved much when it comes to retail pricing. Keep in mind that this news is about what the manufacturers charge the OEMs, so it could be 3-6 months until retail prices are affected.

The kit I got last summer hasn't changed at all in price and is still the equivalent of US$110.

The question is, will the Zen 5 CPUs support faster RAM?
 
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Like other markets where prices have increased, they have seen a decrease in sales. The problem is the price increases have more than made up for the drop in sales. They are banking on the fact that a certain number of people will have to buy memory and NAND containing storage.
Enterprise customers are already here to make up the slack; in fact they've been here for a while. You can't run servers without memory or NAND storage and everyone is cramming their datacenters with AI accelerators in 2024 and 2025. Unfortunately you can't use those old DIMMs salvaged from your decommissioned Pentium III build.

The industry pivoted away from the consumer and desktop market years ago and it is now very firmly focused on the datacenter.

Look at Nvidia's earnings over the past few years. 2-3 years ago Gaming and Datacenter generated about the same amount of revenue for Nvidia. Today Datacenter revenues are 6x those of Gaming. The obvious sales acceleration of Datacenter three years ago pointed to this situation we are seeing today.
 
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Why the hell build almost 100% of production on the same country ?
this is beyond stupidity

Then prices rise up and customers are not happy, and then blame expensive cost like energy or materials, what a joke...
 
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DDR5 doesn't appear to have moved much when it comes to retail pricing. Keep in mind that this news is about what the manufacturers charge the OEMs, so it could be 3-6 months until retail prices are affected.

The kit I got last summer hasn't changed at all in price and is still the equivalent of US$110.

The question is, will the Zen 5 CPUs support faster RAM?
i'm hoping for faster ram and IF speeds but my gut tells me it may only be 6400.

holding out on picking up the ram until the first Zen 5 reviews.

Then will buy the motherboard next and the CPU last if the delay isn't long I may wait for Zen 5 X3D
 
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C) How do you know I don't like the 770 ???? I have a few of those too, like in my wife's lappy and some external back-ups, which don't need the better performance of the 850x
You did say not long ago that DRAM-less SSDs aren't any good. I almost replied with "What's so wrong with the SN770?", but then didn't.
 
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You did say not long ago that DRAM-less SSDs aren't any good. I almost replied with "What's so wrong with the SN770?", but then didn't.
If I said that, it was meant in the context of main/OS/gamz drives for those folks who are looking for upper-tier performance...for which I stand by that statement, and also in the context of buying any of the no-name, budget brands that cut every corner they can to get to a certain price point just to LOOK like they are a good deal.

This of course does not apply to the 770 IMHO, which is an excellent drive, even without the dram... :D
 

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As a multi billion companies
Why the hell build almost 100% of production on the same country ?
this is beyond stupidity

Then prices rise up and customers are not happy, and then blame expensive cost like energy or materials, what a joke...
RAM and NAND flash is produced in the US, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and NAND in as well Singapore, not counting china.
 
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