Apple Introduces the M4 Chip

[Dr. Dro]

The rumors are fun to read but the accuracy is really bad. I mean REALLY bad.

And if you're been reading Apple rumors for more than a couple of years, you should agree.

The camera is a major buying point for Joe Consumer but it's also contributes a significant amount to the BOM. Of course, Apple pretty much has access to every single smartphone camera part on this planet, they can test all suitable candidates and decide what they want to offer. It's not like they write a bunch of part numbers on scraps of paper and draw one out of a fishbowl.

Not every single component in an iPhone SE is old but a lot of key components are because the yields are good, Apple knows how they perform and they fit within the budget.

It's important to note that the September iPhone market focuses on the primary models targeted at their primary markets. Something like the iPhone SE is more attractive to buyers from more price sensitive markets but Apple chooses their flagship line to focus on in September. Those are the models that generate the most revenue and profits which makes it a no-brainer.

True, you have valid points. I meant to buy a 3rd Gen SE myself but the prices are kind of rotten here in Brazil, it makes no sense, they are much pricier than they used to be. I think it's because of the high demand. That's how I managed to snap up this Xs Max, I purchased it from a seller of recertified devices under "excellent condition", it looks like it was never used in its life and it does not seem to have ever been opened, all components passed Apple genuine checks. Battery at 80% though, I'll have it serviced at the Apple Store sometime.

Might be an older device but has all the niceties I want like the OLED screen, 256 GB storage and all. Still takes decent pictures and the A12 SoC held up nicely, it's probably going to receive iOS 18 as well - it's still an amazing phone and it cost me less than the street price of a 128 GB vanilla iPhone 11

 

[dgianstefani]

True, you have valid points. I meant to buy a 3rd Gen SE myself but the prices are kind of rotten here in Brazil, it makes no sense, they are much pricier than they used to be. I think it's because of the high demand. That's how I managed to snap up this Xs Max, I purchased it from a seller of recertified devices under "excellent condition", it looks like it was never used in its life and it does not seem to have ever been opened, all components passed Apple genuine checks. Battery at 80% though, I'll have it serviced at the Apple Store sometime.

Might be an older device but has all the niceties I want like the OLED screen, 256 GB storage and all. Still takes decent pictures and the A12 SoC held up nicely, it's probably going to receive iOS 18 as well - it's still an amazing phone and it cost me less than the street price of a 128 GB vanilla iPhone 11

SE's are great. Bought one for my GF who had an Iphone 7, so the SE2 was a direct upgrade with identical form factor so her cases fit etc.

 

[kondamin]

iPhones are generally announced in September. A 4th generation iPhone SE with Face ID should be coming soon, if rumors are to be believed.

According to the buyersguide on macrumors the iphone se's were launched
Mar 2016, Mar 2017, Apr 2020, Mar 2022

So, it wouldn't have been that odd if it had been released today

 

[Dr. Dro]

SE's are great. Bought one for my GF who had an Iphone 7, so the SE2 was a direct upgrade with identical form factor so her cases fit etc.

I had the original that looked like the iPhone 5S. Best damn phone I ever had. Performed great, was reliable, parts were absurdly cheap, accessories were basically free, even battery replacement from Apple itself was inexpensive - I just loved it

According to the buyersguide on macrumors the iphone se's were launched
Mar 2016, Mar 2017, Apr 2020, Mar 2022

So, it wouldn't have been that odd if it had been released today

True, I hadn't taken that into account. Hopefully soon.

 

[Solaris17]

That’s impressive and all but my wife will still only use it to watch Netflix

 

[mechtech]

*but can it play crisis youtube?*

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

All I want is an updated Mac mini, come on...

Yeah, an M4 mini 16/512 sounds nice to me. I'd be willing to trade my 15" MBA in for it, as I really don't need a laptop. I don't want to bother with an M2 mini, and I suspect Apple will just skip M3 and go to M4 at this point. We can hope anyway.

 

[Minus Infinity]

So when can we see these in real devices like Macbook's. Want to see how much M4 has improved over M3 in performance per watt and for productivity. Will need to update ancient laptop this year, but with Strix Point/Halo coming, Qualcomm and Lunar Lake plenty of good choices (prices pending).

 

[apoklyps3]

why don't they compare it to Broadcom BCM2836 instead of M2?
the difference will be way bigger in charts
oh...rasberry pi doesn't run on a dud OS?

 

[watzupken]

“breathtaking 60x faster than the first Neural Engine in A11 Bionic.”

This is the most far fetch comparison that I can think of. Not only did they skip M1, they used an even older A11 SOC back in 2017 to show a 60x improvement in neural engine performance. Apple selective marketing.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

If any other company made such kind of announcement, it would get tons of negative publicity, but Apple... Not Apple... They are still sailing on success of M1 CPU.

 

[Nhonho]

I don't understand why Apple didn't put in an AV1 encoder.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Don't worry M4 hasn't improved over M3 other than NPU and even then it's only faster for the newly supported int8. It's only 19TOPS for int16 compared to M3's 18TOPS. This is BS hype train non-update update.

 

[R0H1T]

I don't understand why Apple didn't put in an AV1 encoder.

Well how else are they gonna show upto 100x faster in ProRes with m5 or some other BS workload?